Skip to comments.Update: Polish Official Concludes Russia Responsible for Air Disaster
Posted on 04/16/2010 8:27:56 AM PDT by Welshman007
In the hours that followed the tragic and devastating Polish airline disaster in Russia, which killed Poland's President and most of the top officials in the government, former President and freedom-fighter Lech Walesa implied that Russia was behind the crash.
Walesa stated, 'The elite of Poland have been struck down just as they were 70 years ago.' (A woman weeps as Poles continue to pay their final respect to the presidential couple lying in state on Friday, April 16, 2010 in the Presidential Palace in Warsaw, Poland. Polish President Lech Kaczynski who was killed in a plane crash in Russia is going to be buried in Krakow on Sunday. (AP Photo/Ferdinand Ostrop)).
The plane that crashed over Russia was headed to a commemoration of the massacre of Polish government officials by the Russians 70 years ago.
Now, less than a week after the airline went down, top Polish officials are concluding that Russia is responsible for the crash.
(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...
Walesa is tremendous. A Charles Atlas of Poland.
Yes. He and Reagan were unstoppable.
From the article:
“The plane that crashed over Russia was headed to a commemoration of the massacre of Polish government officials by the Russians 70 years ago.
Now, less than a week after the airline went down, top Polish officials are concluding that Russia is responsible for the crash.
Tensions between Poland and Russia have been on the rise ever since the demise of the Soviet Union in the 1980s. Poland had led the way to liberty from government tyranny when former Solidarity leader Lech Walesa staged massive worker strikes and protests against the Communists who ran the government and industry.
In the years that have passed since Poland’s liberation, the country has been at odds to varying degrees with Russia, the anchor nation and hub of the old Soviet Union.
When Russia held its first free election following the topple of the Communists, it looked to Boris Yeltsin, who had been a powerful voice in the Soviet Union for freedom. Under Yeltsin tensions between Poland and Russia were eased.
But when former KGB official Vladmir Putin became President, vestiges of the old mindset at the Kremlin were readily noticeable. Many Russians whispered that Putin was not to be trusted, that his background as a KGB official in the old Communist government had permanently colored his thinking, and that, in fact, he had never ceased to be a totalitarian at heart who still believes in centralized government control.
Poland responded with open criticism of the direction of the Russian government, fearing that its leaders were determined to gradually take back the satellite nations it lost in the breakup of the Soviet Union.
And with Russian interventionism in Georgia and other former satellite nations, Poland had reason to be concerned.
Polish President Lech Kaczynski, who was killed in the crash, had been a frequent and harsh critic of the Russians, particularly when Russia objected furiously to the possibility that Poland was slated to receive a defensive nuclear missile shield from the U.S.”
I think it is God who punished the Poles for getting stuck in the past. At the same exact place.
This needs to be moved to Breaking News, or at least Front Page and/or Extended News!
"the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the [20th] century" -Russian leader Vladimir Putin on the collapse of the Soviet Union...
"World democratic opinion has yet to realize the alarming implications of President Vladimir Putin's State of the Union speech on April 25, 2005, in which he said that the collapse of the Soviet Union represented the 'greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century.'
Did Communism Fake Its Own Death in 1991?
American Thinker ^ | January 16, 2010 | Jason McNew
In a bizarre 1984 book [New Lies for Old], ex-KGB Major Anatoliy Golitsyn predicted the liberalization of the Soviet Bloc and claimed that it would be a strategic deception. ..."
"Golitsyn's argument was that beginning in about 1960, the Soviet Union embarked on a strategy of massive long-range strategic deception which would span several decades and result in the destruction of Western capitalism and the erection of a communist world government."
"Golitsyn published his second book, The Perestroika Deception, after the Soviet Union was dissolved in 1991. This book contained further analysis of the liberalization, in addition to previously classified memoranda submitted by Golitsyn to the CIA. The two books must be read together to get a complete picture of Golitsyn's thesis."
However, he'll undoubtedly remain Tsar of all the Remaining Russias till someone waves borschtbane at him while drilling a stake in his heart.
Ten years ago, Putin had a lot to gain from the offing of the Polish government, but now Russia has already won on all the points in this history of complaints against Putin.
Russia rules the roost in Eastern Europe, and Poland and the rest do as they're told.
The NATO wannabees are now cozying up to Russia after seeing what the US, UN, NATO, and the EU did for Georgia. Throw in Serbia, Bosnia, and Kosovo coming to memory, and Zer0's backing down and surrender to Putin at every meeting, and it's clear, all Eastern Europe is impotent and weak.
Putin is not, he does not have to kill anybody to get everything he wants, and he's way to smart to upset that apple cart with negative publicity. He's about the last guy on Earth to suspect in this incident.
Sad to say but Lech Walesa is acting like a DemoRat at the Paul Wellstone memorial.
Yushchenko: Russia blocking poisoning probe
By Bonnie Malkin and agencies, September 12, 2007
Mr Yushchenko before and after the poisoning
"Mr Yushchenko, a pro-European politician who wanted to bring his country out of Russia's shadow, fell seriously ill on September 6, 2004 as he was competing in presidential elections against a pro-Moscow candidate, Viktor Yanukovich, now prime minister.
After months of tests in an Austrian clinic, it was determined that he had ingested a massive amount of the poison dioxin.
Although he survived, his face was left bloated and pockmarked, and he has had to undergo regular treatment to rid his body of the toxin.
In an interview with Le Figaro he said he believed the dioxin used to disfigure him was made in a Russian lab.
Mr Yushchenko did not directly accuse the Russian government of being behind his poisoning, but he did say he had 'practically put all the pieces together' and the attempt against him 'was not a private action'. ..."
(Ukraine) Hunt starts for Yushchenko's poisoner:
by Peter Brookes, November 27, 2006
The death of former Russian spy, Alexander Litvinenko, last week from radioactive Polonium-210 poisoning is the latest in a series of politically motivated attacks on the outspoken opponents of Russian President Vladimir Putin.
Blowing up Russia: The Secret Plot to Bring Back KGB Terror
by Alexander Litvinenko, Yuri Felshtinsky, Geoffrey Andrews and Co (Translator)
Synopsis: Blowing Up Russia contains the allegations of ex-spy Alexander Litvinenko against his former spymasters in Moscow which led to his being murdered in London in November 2006. In the book he and historian Yuri Felshtinsky detail how since 1999 the Russian secret service has been hatching a plot to return to the terror that was the hallmark of the KGB. Vividly written and based on Litvinenko's 20 years of insider knowledge of Russian spy campaigns, Blowing Up Russia describes how the successor of the KGB fabricated terrorist attacks and launched a war. Writing about Litvinenko, the surviving co-author recounts how the banning of the book in Russia led to three earlier deaths.
Alexander Litvinenko, the former Russian security agent fighting for his life in a UK hospital after allegedly being poisoned, has been a fierce critic of Vladimir Putin since before he became president in 2000.
Mr Litvinenko is thought to have been close to journalist Anna Politkovskaya, another opponent of the Kremlin who was shot dead last month, and said recently he was investigating her murder. It was after being handed documents apparently relating to the case that he was taken ill more than two weeks ago.
But he is perhaps best known for a book in which he alleges that agents co-ordinated the 1999 apartment block bombings in Russia that killed more than 300 people. He now appears to have fallen victim to the kind of plots which he wrote about.
Mr Litvinenko, 43, first became a security agent under the Soviet-era KGB, rising to the rank of lieutenant-colonel in its later incarnations.
He is reported to have fallen out with Vladimir Putin, then head of the security service, in the late 1990s, after failing in attempts to crack down on corruption within the organisation. In 1998, he first came to prominence by exposing an alleged plot to assassinate the then powerful tycoon Boris Berezovsky, who himself now lives in self-imposed exile in the UK. He was subsequently arrested on charges of abusing his office and spent nine months in a remand centre before being acquitted.
In 1999 he wrote Blowing up Russia: Terror from Within, in which he accused the current Russian security service, the FSB, of carrying out several apartment house bombings in 1999 that killed more than 300 people. The attacks, which Moscow blamed on Chechen rebels, helped swing public opinion behind Russia's second war in the breakaway republic.
Complaining of persecution, in 2000 Mr Litvinenko fled to the UK where he sought, and was granted, asylum. But after settling in an unnamed London suburb, the former spy continued to behave as if on the run, constantly changing his contact details. The Times newspaper reported that over the summer someone tried to push a pram loaded with petrol bombs at his front door. Appearing alongside high-profile opponents of President Putin, he has continued to make allegations about his former bosses. Perhaps most notably, he alleged that al-Qaeda number two Ayman al-Zawahiri was trained by the FSB in Dagestan in the years before 9/11.
He must think he's gone to atheist heaven, having a U.S. president who is every bit as determined to destroy American freedom and superiority as he is.
Again from the article:
“...many in Poland are not convinced. The following two excerpts from the Daily Mail article depict the suspicions:
The Russian government prevented the Polish president’s plane from landing four times to divert him from a ceremony to mark the 70th anniversary of the Katyn massacre, according to an MP.
Artur Gorski said the Russians “came up with some dubious reasons” that the aircraft couldn’t land because they feared President Leck Kaczynski’s presence would overshadow a similar event hosted by the Russian prime minister a few days before.
And their alleged plan ended in disaster when the Polish pilots made one final and disastrous attempt to land, killing Mr Kaczynski, his wife, and 94 others on board the plane.
And even more telling is this:
One version of events says that the plane approached the airport four times, because every time the Russians refused it permission to land - they wanted to send the plane with the president to an airport in Moscow or Minsk,’ Mr Gorski claimed in an interview published in the newspaper Nasz Dziennik.
“They came up with some dubious reasons: that there was fog over the airport, and that the navigation system didn’t work as it was under renovation, and that airport had a short landing strip.”
All of these claims may turn out to be false. But we may never know the real story due to the fact that Russia has had control over the investigation, and the crash occurred on Russian soil.”
That doesn't make it "pure rubbish". It could just mean he doesn't want to become another victim. A large number of people critical of KGB Putin have "mysteriously" been killed.
The murder of internationally renowned Russian journalist Anna Politkovskaya in early October 2006 was yet another troubling sign of Russias retreat into its totalitarian past. Today Frontpage Symposium has gathered a distinguished panel of experts to discuss why Anna Politkovskaya was killed and what the tragic loss of her life symbolizes about the direction in which Vladimir Putins Russia is heading.
'PUTIN'S RUSSIA' by Anna Politkovskaya:
So what? That makes him crazy? One would have to be crazy NOT to suspect foul play is a circumstance like this. And what is so wrong with honoring Jesus Christ?
1. given for honor only, without the usual requirements, duties, privileges, emoluments, etc.: The university presented the new governor with an honorary degree.
2. holding a title or position conferred for honor only: an honorary president.
3. (of an obligation) depending on one’s honor for fulfillment.
4. conferring or commemorating honor or distinction.
5. given, made, or serving as a token of honor: an honorary gift.
Obviously Putin's enemies did this to make him look bad. Same reason Putin's enemies killed Litvinenko and Politskovskaya and poisoned Yushchenko. This conspiracy to defame Putin goes deep.
I was unaware that a conspiracy against Putin existed or was so successful.
I had always thought that Putin was offing these people as they were active and successful impediments to his program of reestablishing the Russian Empire.
Since the last of these, a couple of years ago, Putin has not only had no impediments, he has accomplished Georgia using Clinton/EU/UN/NATO tactics and has neutered every other entity that attempted to be a player in the region. The Georgian government and military have been successfully demonized and labeled criminals and murderers, why they're as bad as the Serbs! The NATO wannabees including Poland are lining up to gift Russia with trade agreements, and can't even spell NATO anymore. Eastern European citizens look to Russia for protection from Islamic terrorists. Putin doesn't have to do a thing to get all this for free, let alone kill a reporter, bureaucrat or the entire Polish government.
So your conspiracy makes sense, frame Putin as a madman killer of hundreds when no one is standing in his way of accomplishing anything. He would obviously be insane, and the publicity would be devastating.
I just didn't know that this conspiracy has been going on for so long, and the conspirators were killing years ago when these individuals were actually impeding Putin and he was much weaker, but you said it so it has to be true.
And you seem to be a KGB Putin butt-kissing apologist. I posted links from credible sources, including Heritage.org and FrontPage Magazine. What the hell have you got that will make us believe that KGB Putin is innocent of all the things he’s been accused of? Who is your loyalty to?
I noticed you just joined TODAY, Walter. Interesting.
Walter E. Kurtz:
"Kurtz employed barbaric methods to not only defeat his enemy but to also send fear. At first MACV didn't object to Kurtz's tactics, especially as they proved successful, but this soon changed when Kurtz allowed photographs of his atrocities to be released to the world. In late 1968, when Kurtz failed to respond to MACV's repeated orders to return to Da Nang and resign his command after he ordered the summary execution of four South Vietnamese inteligence agents whom he rightfully suspected of being double agents for the Viet Cong, the MACV sent a "Green Beret" Captain named Richard Colby to bring Kurtz back from Cambodia. Colby joined up with Kurtz instead of bringing him back to Da Nang, either because he was brainwashed or because he felt a sympathy to Kurtz's cause.
With Colby's failure, MACV then selected Captain Benjamin Willard, a former paratrooper and now a CIA assassin, to journey up the Nung river and kill Kurtz. Willard succeeds with his mission only because Kurtz, himself broken mentally by the savage war he wages, wants Willard to kill him and release him from his own suffering. Before Willard kills him, Kurtz asks Willard to find Kurtz's wife and son and explain truthfully what he'd done in the war."
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Poland is a thoroughly Catholic country. That Jesus Christ is King of this world is a long held Catholic doctrine. That a Catholic politician would spearhead an effort to name Him honorary King of Poland is nothing new, its been done many times in history in many different places.
That you would label him a wacko for this initiative either shows you are so grossly ignorant of European history that you have no business commenting here, or you are simply just another run-of-the-mill anti-Catholic bigot.
You sound like you should be posting on DU to suggest declaring Christ as King is wacko...
That gets the moron post of the day award...
Ping to posts 12 & 13!
Ping to post # 13!
You do not understand Catholicism.
You do not understand Polish Catholicism.
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