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About that birth certificate (which Obama refuses to produce)
Hillbuzz ^ | 04/25/10 | Hillbuzz

Posted on 04/25/2010 12:35:44 PM PDT by American Dream 246

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To: American Dream 246

The Hawaii Department of Health has confirmed that the Factcheck COLB is fraudulent, because

1) The HDOH made a statutory admission (and repeated it multiple times when asked about it) that Obama’s birth certificate has been amended. DOH administrative rules (which were illegally hidden from the public until Nov of 2009) say that all birth certificates (which includes the abbreviated certificate, or COLB) must note amendments. Since Factcheck doesn’t note the amendment we know it is a forgery. And

2) Janice Okubo has stated that all Oahu birth certificates have always been received by the state registrar and given a number by the state registrar on the same day - the “date filed”. The Factcheck COLB has a “date filed” 3 days before the Nordyke twins’ but a certificate number 2 later than theirs. In the past this has been explained by hospitals having pre-numbered certificates or by piles of BC’s sitting at different secretaries’ desks for 3 days awaiting processing. But Okubo has directly eliminated those explanations. Because the “date filed” and certificate number are incompatible we know that at least one or the other has been altered and the COLB is thus a forgery.

Hawaii Revised Statute 338-17 says that an amended birth certificate doesn’t qualify as prima facie evidence; it is mere legal hearsay - with the same probative value as the Kenyan birth certificates unless and until they are certified as authentic. DOH rules require an administrative or judicial person or body to view all supporting documents when an amended birth certificate is presented as evidence, because Hawaii doesn’t vouch for the accuracy of the claims.

The reason that Obama posted the forged COLB instead of the genuine one he has in his possession is because there are 2 items he needs to hide:

1) the certificate number of 151-2006-xxxxxx (which shows that he forged the certificate number AND that his BC was only completed in 2006); and

2) the note of the amendment, which means that the certificate is not prima facie evidence and the burden of proof thus falls on Obama to prove that the claims on the BC are accurate - rather than someone else to prove them false. That’s some serious doo-doo for him.

What poses a serious problem for him is that the amendment he made in 2006 appears to be to the medical portion of the birth certificate, which would only be necessary if a Hawaii doctor did not examine Obama within the first 30 days after the birth and complete the certificate. This amendment begs the question of where Obama was at birth if a Hawaii doctor couldn’t see him within 30 days.

Any legal proceeding would require Obama to show the genuine COLB, which would then require him to show the genuine original and all the supporting documents. Obama knows that if he has to do that, he’s toast. That’s why he is fighting the lawsuits so hard and why he will rescind military orders rather than allow a soldier to reach the discovery stage of a legal proceeding.

That’s why Lt Col Lakin’s stand is so vital - because he can’t simply be dismissed, and if he is found guilty in the military without being given a chance to defend himself via discovery, he can take it to federal court, with standing.

Documentation is at http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2010/01/11/red-flags-in-hawaii-2/


51 posted on 04/25/2010 2:43:51 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: American Dream 246

obumpa


52 posted on 04/25/2010 3:04:31 PM PDT by Dajjal (Justice Robert Jackson was wrong -- the Constitution IS a suicide pact.)
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To: IncPen

This birther stuff makes you wonder why Bill and Hillary didn’t exploit it.

They (Clintons and BO) are beholden to the same powers that be. When those powers told the Clinton’s that BO is the choice there was nothing they could do about it. Those powers have their thumb right over Bill and Hill. They could swat them down like a fly on the wall and utterly destroy them and they know that.


53 posted on 04/25/2010 3:52:35 PM PDT by Bluebeard16
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To: wintertime
How would you convince a 17 year old girl to take this responsibility of raising another woman's baby?

She didn't. The grandparents did.

And...Why would Obama Sr.( who has no blood relation to any of the parties involved in the conspiracy) be dumb enough to go along with the scam. ?

He had more than one 'wife'. Don't think it bothered him one bit. It probably had more to do with him being the recipient of funds from the Ford Foundation than with 'love'.

Sorry...This explanation is entirely to bizarre.

Perhaps. Sometimes reality is much stranger than fiction. It would be nice if the Precedent would show his birth certificate and help squash all these bizarre allegations.

54 posted on 04/25/2010 3:53:24 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: UCANSEE2
She didn't. The grandparents did.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Not until he was much older. It absolutely does not make sense that a 17 old would take on the responsibility of another woman's infant, or travel to Africa alone to help disguise the fact...Or...Get Obama Sr. to agree to such a scam.

And...I don't think Obama’s granny would be too keen on taking in another woman's 10 year old either.

Sorry...But to think that Obama and Stanley Ann were brother and sister is ridiculous. Even if they were it would not be enough for Obama to fight this so hard. If it were revealed that they were brother and sister, he could **easily** turn it to his advantage by claiming that, “See! Tough childhood, but I overcame!”

No one knows why Obama is going to so much trouble to hide these common documents. Hopefully, some day soon we will all know.

The most likely explanation is that Obama is hiding something that would get him thrown out of the White House and earn him some serious prison time.

55 posted on 04/25/2010 4:01:58 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: American Dream 246

The issue of Obama’s eligiblity is NOT about the Birth Certificate. The Birth Certificate is a “Red Herring”. While it may in fact be true that Obama SR. proudly declared himself to be an Arab, it has no bearing on the eligiblity issue, and bringing this into it will only muddy the waters, and bring more charges of racism.

Looking at the Certificates of Live Birth, issued to the Nordyke twins, who were born on August 5, 1961, there is no space on the documents listing the religion of either parent, so there is no reason to expect Obama’s would be any different.

The Obama’s father was NOT a US citizen, this is a fact commonly known around the entire globe, and it is this fact that makes Obama ineligible for office-Not the fact that he won’t release his original Birth Certificate.

The US Supreme Court has used the term “Natural Born Citizen” in a number of it’s rulings, and regardless of the subject matter of the case, the definition used in every case has always been the same - “Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.” Only an unreasonable person would expect the definition of the phrase “Natural Born citizen” would change when applied to Obama.


56 posted on 04/25/2010 4:17:40 PM PDT by chatter4
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To: bgill
Take a look and judge for yourself "The Muslim Call to Prayer is one of the Prettiest Sounds on Earth" - said Barack Obama to the New York Times Allah is greater than any description 
I testify that there is no deity except for Allah 
I testify that Muhammad is a Messenger of Allah 
Make haste towards the prayer 
Make haste towards the worship 
Prayer is better than sleep 
Allah is the greatest! 
There is no deity except for Allah
57 posted on 04/25/2010 6:09:23 PM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: Drew68

His father would have been listed by whatever racial description he used when he personally filled out the form himself or volunteered the information to whatever clerk was filling out the form for him. (Drew68)

It doesn’t look like Barak Obama Sr. had anything to do with the birth certificate. If he did, he would have made sure that his son’s name was spelled like his own.

http://www.politico.com/static/PPM41_eastafrica.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama,_Sr.note 31


58 posted on 04/25/2010 6:30:13 PM PDT by charo
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To: charo

The word note should not appear in the link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama,_Sr.


59 posted on 04/25/2010 6:32:15 PM PDT by charo
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To: machogirl

That is interesting-so who was his black mother?


60 posted on 04/25/2010 6:34:34 PM PDT by GILTN1stborn
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To: BP2; rxsid; null and void; Candor7

ping


61 posted on 04/25/2010 7:07:58 PM PDT by tutstar (Baptist Ping list - freepmail me to get on or ...off..)
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To: GILTN1stborn

some teen that frank davis knew. or, frank davis is obama’s birth daddy with ann dunham.


62 posted on 04/25/2010 8:10:02 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline.)
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To: American Dream 246

good for them. happy to see them on the “right” side of the ship.


63 posted on 04/25/2010 8:11:09 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline.)
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To: UCANSEE2

Since I have a child graduating from high school soon, I started thinking about the ONLY picture we’ve seen of Barry at his graduation. The one with gramps and toot. Where is his mother? Why would she miss his graduation? Did she go?


64 posted on 04/25/2010 8:13:19 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline.)
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To: Drew68
His father would have been listed by whatever racial description he used when he personally filled out the form himself or volunteered the information to whatever clerk was filling out the form for him.

... or if he didn't attend the birth, which is likely, then by whatever race Obama's mama or granny said to put on the birth registration ...

65 posted on 04/25/2010 8:28:14 PM PDT by edge919
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
The fact that he was born in Kenya is the only thing that could disqualify him.

All the other stuff won't matter.

The only thing that matters is where Obuttman's father was born!

And we ALL know that he was a citizen of Kenya, period!

Therefore Obuttman is NOT a natural born citizen of the USA!

Therefore Obuttman is NOT the legal POTUS!

66 posted on 04/25/2010 9:37:44 PM PDT by FW190
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To: FW190; E. Pluribus Unum
The only thing that matters is where Obuttman's father was born!

And we ALL know that he was a citizen of Kenya, period!

What's important was that he wasn't a U.S. citizen at the time of his son's birth.

67 posted on 04/25/2010 9:41:54 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: American Dream 246

You may also find this of interest:

Trinity people aren’t speaking up either because they don’t want to be the one to stop the first black president or they are scared to talk.

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=18616

HillBuzzBlogspotCom wrote: June 30th, 04:15 PM

Adrienne – I told you exactly what I have been told by people in the gay community here who have said there are definite open secrets about BHO.

I’ve never remarked on the Sinclair stuff for one solid reason: it does not make sense with what the gay community in Chicago tells me.

Not saying it couldn’t be true, but that’s not BHOs’ M.O. here.

Being on the down-low means you only fool around with other married guys on the down-low, and there are enough successful, wealthy down-low members of Trinity, who are married, and thus have as much to lose if they rat out the other guy who is on the downlow.

Some are athletes, some are other high profile men in the community, and some are not even members of the church, but elected officials themselves, in other states (that start with “M”, like in Michelle) or other cities (that start with “B”, like in beard).

The people I have spoken to who know Trinity well, and know open secrets well, say people aren’t speaking up either because they don’t want to be the one to stop the first black president or they are scared to talk….

HOWEVER, they said they are positive that, after he would become President, that the open secret will no longer be a secret, and that the carefully-arranged down-low secret pacts will collapse, because the media will have an incentive to create the most sensational sex scandal to ever hit the White House: the first bisexual president.

In short — and let’s see if this clears things up — there are people who know open-secrets who are staying quiet because outing a presidential candidate is not something they want to do, but outing a president, and exposing him as a bisexual, would be something they’d see as important, because it’s a step towards having an openly gay president.

Think James McGreevey….yes, his administration collapsed when he came out, and he came out only because his affair was being telegraphed, but McGreevey still served, briefly, as an openly gay US governor.

That’s a step towards having other openly gay governors in the future — ones not tainted with scandal, preferably.

Outing Obama as a candidate will keep him from being elected….outing him if he becomes President means the US will have its first outed bisexual/gay president.

There is no putting that genie back in its bottle.

I don’t agree with any of this Adrienne….I am just telling you what I hear on a regular basis here in Chicago.


68 posted on 04/26/2010 3:38:59 PM PDT by rosettasister
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