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Where is America in Biblical Prophecy?
The Ignorant Fishermen ^ | April 22, 2010 | DJP

Posted on 04/26/2010 5:13:57 PM PDT by kindred

A resounding question asked by many today is, “Where is America in Biblical prophecy?” The simple answer is that our nation will still exist during the Great Tribulation period, but our military power and socio-economic position will have been diminished to the level of a godless, base nation. When Christ calls His Church out of the world by means of the Rapture, our nation will implode on itself (2 Thess. 2:7). Any remnant of restraint by Conservatives will then be removed, and our demise will arise by means of civil war and lawlessness - even nuclear destruction (Rev. 6:1-8; 9:14-18) - to a state of total social collapse and anarchy. The prophetic words and warnings of our Founding Fathers against the violation of Almighty God’s natural laws will come to pass. America will reap a whirlwind of consequences from her godless doings, and tyranny and oppression will fill the vacuum once filled with justice and the rule of law. .

"America will be absorbed into the coming European “Super Global Empire” of the Anti-Christ to go against Almighty God at the Great Battle of Armageddon."

The reception and outworking of godless secularism and “unnatural” laws will plunge America into a third world nation status from which it will not recover. No more will America be the nation that resists and restrains global secular fascism and oppression. No more will we be a beacon of light to all the world’s oppressed. No more will we be the world’s guardian against oppressive dictators and thugs, for we will be transformed into the very thing that our Founding Fathers prophetically warned us about. In the end, America will be absorbed into the coming European “Super Global Empire” of the Anti-Christ (Dan. 2: 40-44; 7:19-21; 9:26-27; Rev. 13) to go against Almighty God at the Great Battle of Armageddon (Zech. 12:3; 14:2; Rev. 16:13-16). Many do not want to conceive this reality and deceive themselves with optimistic lies and falsehoods. See Chart Link

The Final Countdown

As this age draws to its final conclusion, and as the sobering realities of this appraisal are showing themselves everywhere today, may we not be oblivious to the countless signs and warnings bells at present of what is coming (Luke 21:34; 1 Thess. 5:2; 2 Peter 3:10; Rev. 16:15).

For a brief 400 years in the 6,000 years of world history, America was a sign post pointing the entire world to the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God. With its rule of law and Judean/ Christian heritage, America was a mighty dam holding back global oppression and tyranny. No other nation in the world’s history has done more to send out the Glorious Gospel light to the oppressed prisoners and captives of Satan’s tyrannical Kingdom (Hebrews 2:14-15). The last flickers of America’s light have nearly gone out and the flax is near smoldering. These current realities must be acknowledged by all before it is too late to even notice.

"The last flickers of America’s light have nearly gone out and the flax is near smoldering. These current realities must be acknowledged by all before it is too late to even notice"

Almost 2,000 years ago, Almighty God sent His Son from Heaven’s glory to come down to earth to pay the price for man’s disobedience and transgression against Almighty God’s perfectly righteous standards and holy absolutes (Romans 10:4; 1 Peter 1:19; 3:18). In these last days the Spirit of God is calling out to men and women through out the world to repent and be saved from the wrath to come (John 3:16-17). Will you have an ear to hear? America is like a fractured dam ready to give way at any moment. What will there be after she does? The chief end of all Americans and the world is to possess a saving relationship to Almighty God in spirit and truth in perfect righteousness (Eccl. 12:13-14; Gal 1:4; 1 John 2:17).

May I ask you this very pertinent and urgent question? Do you know the Lord Jesus Christ, God’s propitiation (a payment that yields satisfaction) for man’s transgressions (1 John 2:2), as your PERSONAL Savior? If not, may you do so today. Nothing is more crucial in these last days. Time is but for a moment while eternity is forever. The things of Almighty God will abide forever, America will not. Will you trust Him Today?


TOPICS: Religion
KEYWORDS: late; prophecy; tribulation; war
The day of the Lord will come and like Noahs flood,the world will be caught unawares.
1 posted on 04/26/2010 5:13:57 PM PDT by kindred
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To: kindred

Answer: Nowhere


2 posted on 04/26/2010 5:18:10 PM PDT by webstersII
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To: webstersII

Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures (1 Corinthians 15:1-4).

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast (Ephesians 2:8-9).

Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved (Acts 16:31


3 posted on 04/26/2010 5:21:33 PM PDT by kindred (Christ died for the ungodly, an act of God by Christ Jesus our God and Saviour.)
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To: kindred

Bookmark


4 posted on 04/26/2010 5:22:46 PM PDT by DocRock (All they that TAKE the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew 26:52 Gun grabbers beware.)
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To: kindred

No where


5 posted on 04/26/2010 5:25:20 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Ostracize Democrats. There can be no Democrat friends.)
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To: kindred

Interesting article.


6 posted on 04/26/2010 5:33:07 PM PDT by CORedneck
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To: kindred

That verse has nothing to do with prophecy. Are you saying I’m not a Christian because I don’t believe that the US has some role in eschatology?


7 posted on 04/26/2010 5:33:19 PM PDT by webstersII
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To: kindred
A U.S. state is in there - Noah looked out the Arkandsaw dry land.
8 posted on 04/26/2010 5:33:31 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (No Romney,No Mark Kirk (Illinois), not now, not ever!)
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To: kindred

I wonder where the author thinks Israel will be?


9 posted on 04/26/2010 5:35:36 PM PDT by SuzyQue (Remember to think.)
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To: kindred

Amen, and thanks for posting.


10 posted on 04/26/2010 5:36:51 PM PDT by hope
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To: kindred

That verse has nothing to do with prophecy. Are you saying I’m not a Christian because I don’t believe that the US has some role in eschatology?


11 posted on 04/26/2010 5:38:29 PM PDT by webstersII
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To: bert; webstersII

So where do we go?


12 posted on 04/26/2010 5:41:08 PM PDT by bmwcyle (Free the last Navy Seal)
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To: kindred

America isn’t there because it isn’t about America.
Israel is the center of God’s Biblical geography.


13 posted on 04/26/2010 5:42:46 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: kindred

“And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse from another. The first was like a lion, and had eagle’s wings: I beheld until the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man’s heart was given to it.” — Dan 7:3-4


14 posted on 04/26/2010 5:44:38 PM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life or nothing at all)
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To: kindred

ya got it all figured out eh?


15 posted on 04/26/2010 5:50:16 PM PDT by Guyin4Os (A messianic ger-tsedek)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
America isn’t there because it isn’t about America. Israel is the center of God’s Biblical geography.

Exactly! And the nations that bless Israel will be blessed; and those who curse Israel will be cursed. This is why we have to get rid of our president and replace him with one who supports Israel!

16 posted on 04/26/2010 5:52:03 PM PDT by Guyin4Os (A messianic ger-tsedek)
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To: kindred

G-d specifically admonishes those that would add to or take away from scripture. I think that you are dangerously close to crossing over on that point. The United States is not mentioned in scripture...if so, make a case..Otherwise, I can not tell you what kind of wrath G-d has in store for those who would change his words....Perhaps, you should open up the book for yourself and let the Holy Spirit teach you, and not rely on others for your understanding.


17 posted on 04/26/2010 5:52:08 PM PDT by richardtavor
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
America isn’t there because it isn’t about America. Israel is the center of God’s Biblical geography.

Exactly! And the nations that bless Israel will be blessed; and those who curse Israel will be cursed. This is why we have to get rid of our president and replace him with one who supports Israel!

18 posted on 04/26/2010 5:52:33 PM PDT by Guyin4Os (A messianic ger-tsedek)
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To: kindred

Kindred, open up the Book for yourself. Do not rely on espousers—the consequences are to great. G-d is able to teach you, just listen.


19 posted on 04/26/2010 5:58:31 PM PDT by richardtavor
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To: kindred

Ping


20 posted on 04/26/2010 5:59:38 PM PDT by Obadiah (I can see November from my house!)
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To: SuzyQue

My inadequate knowledge of prophecy tells me that Israel is at the vortex of the chaos that will ensue...
Those wiser and more knowledgable than I are welcome to correct me if I am wrong.


21 posted on 04/26/2010 6:00:53 PM PDT by ArmyTeach ( ...speak true, right wrong, follow the King Tennyson)
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To: kindred

Where is any nation but Israel in prophecy?

Nowhere unless you consider the land of Magog to be Russia.

Its all about Israel.
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22 posted on 04/26/2010 6:04:06 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: kindred

bttt


23 posted on 04/26/2010 6:17:58 PM PDT by jackv (The darkness hates the light!)
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To: editor-surveyor
Gog and Magog is the Russia/Turkish area, but there is also the old Roman Empire depicted by Daniel as a part of the End Days prophesy. Israel is, of course, the main point of God's prophesy.

I think America is just judged by whether or not we support Israel in the pinch or not. My reading of the Bible looks as though we didn't come to their aid. The same question could be "where is Australia, China, Africa, ect" in end time prophesy? We are the most powerfull nation on Earth at the moment, but will we act, will we continue in power, ect? We could be the most power full country on Earth, but what good is that if we stand by and watch Israel call for help and do nothing?

24 posted on 04/26/2010 7:01:27 PM PDT by chuckles
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To: chuckles

Yes, the Roman Empire seems to cover most of us as a blanket. That is probably what hangs some people up. they are trying to make distinctions that don’t exist WRT God’s plans.

Our current impostor-in-chief will likely diminish our ultimate significance. (not that Bush did a particularly exemplary job WRT Israel)


25 posted on 04/26/2010 7:07:59 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: kindred

God Bless and good post. J.S.


26 posted on 04/26/2010 7:09:32 PM PDT by JSDude1 (www.wethepeopleindiana.org (Tea Party Member-Proud), www.travishankins.com (R- IN 09 2010!))
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To: editor-surveyor
In Ezekiel 38 several countries are listed such as Persia, Ethiopia and Lybia. In verse 13, more are listed... Sheba and Dedan are in the geographical area of Yemen, and many Bible scholars believe “the merchants of Tarshish” to be the modern UK with the “young lions therof” being America and Australia. If these scholars are correct, Ezek 38:13 reads as if we talk, try negotiations or send a ‘strongly worded letter’. Sounds accurate to me. Of course, this is not the battle of Armageddon, but it is prophecy concerning future events.
27 posted on 04/26/2010 7:13:01 PM PDT by DocRock (All they that TAKE the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew 26:52 Gun grabbers beware.)
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To: webstersII

America is mentioned in prophecy. They are first prophesied about when Jacob prophecies over Joseph’s sons in Genesis 48:19,20 The one thing most people miss is there were two kingdoms, a Jewish kingdom, and a “gentile” Israelite kingdom that was exiled and eventually formed into these nations Jacob prophesied about.


28 posted on 04/26/2010 7:40:05 PM PDT by zeke37
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To: kindred

Prophecy questions about Israel for dispensationalists:

Could the dispensational distinctive of separation between Israel and the church be incorrect? On the Jewish Day of Pentecost in Acts 2, if you asked Peter and the disciples if they were part of “Israel” or the “Church,” what would they say? Wouldn’t they say they were both? Don’t Romans 11 and Hebrews 8 show that the gentiles were grafted in as the Israel of God, rather the Jews maintaining a separate line of salvation? Doesn’t Galatians 3:14 further identify the nature of the blessing that would come to all the other nations in addition to Israel through Christ? Doesn’t Galatians 3:6-8 and Galatians 3:29 tell us that believers are the spiritual descendants of Abraham?

If God has two different plans for Jews and Gentiles, why does Paul say there isn’t any more distinction (Romans 10:12; Galatians 3:28; Colossians 3:11)?

Isn’t the gospel the salvation for everyone who believes—both Jew and Gentile (Romans 1:16)?

If Israel and the Christian church are two different groups of people who have two separate covenants, and the hope of Israel is the resurrection (Acts 23:6, 24:14-15, 26:6-8), why is it taught that Christians will experience any type of resurrection, being that it is only for Israel (http://bible.org/article/contemporary-interpretative-problems-%E2%80%94-resurrection-israel)?

Don’t the following passages further confirm that the New Israel (New Jerusalem) does not mean a literal restored nation of Israel: Matthew 21:43; Romans 2:28-29, 9:6, 10:12; Galatians 6:15-16; Philippians 3:3; Colossians 3:11; Hebrews 8:8, 8:13; 1 Peter 2:9-10; Revelation 21:2? In 1 Peter 2:9-10 isn’t Peter applying Old Testament terms for Israel to the church, asserting the continuity between Old Testament Israel and the New Testament church—representing them as one people of God? Isn’t it a reasonable interpretation that Revelation 12:2 is speaking about a heavenly Jerusalem (see Hebrews 12:22-23)?

Are there any references in the Bible to the temple being built a third time? If there is going to be a rebuilt Jewish temple in the future, why does Scripture say God does not dwell in temples made with hand anymore (Acts 7:48, 17:24)?

Don’t all the New Testament texts comparing Israel to a fig tree point to Jerusalem’s destruction rather than its restoration?

Weren’t the Jews as a nation rejected (Matthew 8:8-13, 21:33-46, 22:1-4, 23:31-39; John 8:37-47; Romans 9:30-10:4; Romans 11:7)?

Wasn’t the “Israel of God” (Galatians 6:15-16) given to the those individuals, either Jew or Gentile, who believe (Matthew 3:9; Romans 2:28-29; Galatians 3:28-29, 4:24-31; Hebrews 8:13, 12:12-24; 1 Peter 2:5-10; Revelation 3:9)?

Why would Jesus’ kingdom be set up in earthly Jerusalem, even though Paul said earthly Jerusalem was bondage and the old covenant (Galatians 4:24-25)?

When the Jews rejected Jesus weren’t their branches broken off and the Gentiles “grafted in” (Romans 9:6-8, 11:11-24) along with a remnant of Jews (Romans 11:5)?

Doesn’t the New Testament (Ephesians 2:20-22; 1 Peter 2:4-8) explain that while the physical temple is about to be destroyed, it is being replaced by the church with Christ as the cornerstone and Christians as the living stones?

Is there anywhere in the New Testament that explicitly supports the land promises made to Israel are yet to be fulfilled?

Doesn’t the distinctive of the separation between Israel and the church inevitably teach that there are two paths to salvation—law for Jews and grace for everyone else? Didn’t C. I. Scofield himself say; “As a dispensation, grace begins with the death and resurrection of Christ... The point of testing is no longer legal obedience as the condition of salvation, but acceptance or rejection of Christ...” (Scofield Reference Bible, page 1115). Doesn’t the labeling of the current dispensation as the Age of Grace at the very least confuse the issue of justification? Aren’t both law and grace (gospel) present in both the Old Testament and New Testament? Isn’t the notion that God saved Old Testament Jews by law, but now saves New Testament Christians by grace unbiblical (Romans 4, 5)? Didn’t God preach the gospel beforehand to Abraham (Galatians 3:8)? Doesn’t Paul in Galatians 3 clearly state that no man is justified by the law, and quotes the Old Testament to prove it? On the other hand, aren’t there plenty of statements in the New Testament about obeying the law (Matthew 5:19; Matthew 7:16-20; Matthew 13:36-43; Matthew 25:31-46; Romans 3:31; James 2:10-17)?

When Jesus says in John 14:6 that no man comes to the Father but him, doesn’t Jesus mean what he says? “No man” would include Jew or Gentile, doesn’t it?

Do you believe that two-thirds of Israelis will be slaughtered in a Holocaust II (Zechariah 13:7-9, or John Walvoord’s book Israel in Prophecy)? If so, how can you call yourself pro-Israel? When you pray for Jesus to come soon or the imminent rapture, aren’t you preaching or even asking for a near term slaughter of the Jews? Isn’t this teaching based almost entirely on one verse—Zechariah 13:8—yet the New Testament places the previous verse (13:7) squarely in the time of Christ? Isn’t it true that there is no prediction in the book of Revelation about the annihilation of two-thirds of all Jews living in Israel by the Antichrist?

If we are in the New Covenant era, which scripture says is forever, why would God go back to a temple system of the Old Covenant which Paul called bondage (Galatians 4)?

If God was going to go back to animal sacrifices for sin in a future millennium, does that mean Christ died in vain (Galatians 2:21)?

If the promises to Israel are forever and unconditional, why does God say it is conditional in Deuteronomy 28?

Why can Jesus’ earthly kingdom be set up in earthly Jerusalem, when Jesus himself said the hour was coming when worshipping God would NOT be in Jerusalem (John 4:21)?

Why would Jesus’ kingdom be set up in earthly Jerusalem, knowing Jesus condemned their city several times (Matthew 21-Matthew 25)?

How can the “millennial” kingdom of God be of the Jews when Jesus himself said that he took the kingdom away from them and gave it to the gentiles who produce the fruits (Matthew 21:43)? If Jesus took the kingdom from the Jews and gave it to the gentiles, why is there no scripture to show another transfer back to the Jews?


29 posted on 04/26/2010 7:55:48 PM PDT by grumpa (VP)
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To: kindred

You do realize that the notion of “the Rapture” is a 19th century heresy, a bizarre innovation based on a sentimental failure to understand that the martyrs who imitate Christ in His sufferings are the glory of the Church, don’t you?

The Scriptures adduced to support the idea have always been held by the Church, East and West, to describe the experience of the faithful remnant of Christians at the time of the general resurrection, after all of the events described in the Book of Daniel’s apocalyptic sections and the Apocalypse of St. John leading up to the Last Judgment have taken place, including the reign of Antichrist.


30 posted on 04/26/2010 7:59:42 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: zeke37

“America is mentioned in prophecy.”

You have to twist scripture really hard to believe that.


31 posted on 04/26/2010 8:08:21 PM PDT by webstersII
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To: webstersII

It’s not twisting. Jacob prophecied in Gen 48 and 49 what would happen to his sons at the end of this age. This is repeated by Moses in Deut. 33.
Israel was divided on purpose, during the reign of Rehoboam. They were called the “two sisters”, “Favor and Union”, one of them was the faithful son the other the prodigal son. But clearly they were destined to be different peoples.

The key here is the Jews never became the light to the gentiles, so someone else had to fill that role. So when you read the entire book of Hosea, you realize that the House of Israel was divorced but would reform as an entity. Ezekiel 4:5 said that the 10 tribes would bear the price of their sin for 390 years. The Jews still had 40 years left on their 70 years in Babylon. Bottom line in Hosea 1:10 ...the 10 tribes would become a huge multitude. Even Josephus confirms this.. saying they were a huge multitude beyond the Euphrates River.

The fundamental problem is our history books never teach many of these things, because secularist hate things that have to do with God...so: about the Parthian Empire... they weren’t Persians or Babylonians. They were Scythians, who migrated back down into Persia and took over a portion of the Greek Empire. The Parthian Empire began at the Euphrates and ended at the Indus River. They fought 11 wars with Rome, and only lost one. 27 years before the birth of Christ, they wiped Mark Anthony’s army. The Magi(wise men)were part of the elite of this Parthian Empire. The Parthians were Israelites from the 10 Tribes.

when the Parthian Empire fell in 220 AD, millions of people poured through the Caucus Mountains into Europe. They would eventually be known as Goths, Vandals, Alans and others. The Greeks called these migrating people Caucasians. Most western Europeans descend from these migrating “barbarian tribes”.

Just because something isn’t familiar doesn’t make it wrong. There is a lot of strong evidence to this...


32 posted on 04/28/2010 8:24:13 PM PDT by zeke37
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