Posted on 04/27/2010 5:39:49 PM PDT by Josh Painter
God love you,Mrs. Palin.
Thank you!
Been trolling for 15 years? Not likely. You may not like what I say, that’s fine, but it is not offered with malice. Hey it’s my opinion that is offered below ...
The literature about the subject shows ‘the enemy’(not in the literal sense) was “The Church Of England” and establishment of a similar ‘state religion’, which the founders did not want to happen in America. They wanted everyone to be free to worship whatever they wanted, without interference, and yes the Church of England was fine.
Remember, the Pilgrims fled religious oppression.
The founders were quite religious, that is why they clearly stated in the Declaration ... “the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them”.
All this did not mean that religion was excluded from government or the public square, as current Democrats are trying to do. Democrats want worship to be directed at the nanny state and all it provides for the ignorant peasants. There is no freedom from religion, all may share the public square, as many Democrats are trying to limit today.
The statist must have the state power elevated over all else, which cannot be.
One, they didn't use the term "separation of church and state", they wrote an amendment that said that the government could not control any religion and make it the state religion. The first amendment does not give us freedom from religion but freedom of religion, and two, YES, the founding fathers were all Christians, as were the vast majority of Europeans at the time.
You are right about the term ... It is easily distorted for what it means. Separation to me is not expulsion from, it means the state and it’s government is separate from religion.
I am not sure about the “all Christian” part. They did found the legal system on Judeo-Christian values though.
Liberals love to change the words without changing their deeds. Take for instance, liberal ...
It gets tiresome watching all these supposedly ‘Christian’ scholars squitm over this.
The founders left Religion out of the constitution because it was none of the fed gov’s business. The individual states were all declaratively Christian by their constitutions, and every one of the founders had declared themselves to be Christian of various specific persuasions.
No founder was simply deistic.
They were all Christian, by their own declarations, and Ben Franklin toured Europe after the ratification declaring that the nation had been, in his own words, “founded on the gospel of the Christian Bible.”
Liars may differ.
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The left has blown up one sentence in a letter by Jefferson and tried to ramrod "separation of church and state" down our throats. It is poppycock.
For a source, click here. The author of this book is a professor at Yale Law School, and a self-professed liberal, but one of those rare ones who is intellectually honest. Although he is no pro-gun guy, there is no doubt in his mind that the Second Amendment refers to individual's rights. I attended a lecture of his and spoke to him afterward.
And since Jefferson was in France at the time that the ammendments were debated and enacted, and for seven years thereafter, he had no part in the bill of rights, and his misused letter is of no relevance whatsoever.
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Yep...the BoR were mainly Virginia’s own Patrick Henry and George Mason.
I humbly suggest that you are not familiar enough with our founders if you think that they did not use the term.
“The civil Government, though bereft of everything like an associated hierarchy, possesses the requisite stability, and performs its functions with complete success, whilst the number, the industry, and the morality of the priesthood, and the devotion of the people, have been manifestly increased by the total separation of the church from the State “ James Madison
“Strongly guarded as is the separation between religion and & Gov’t in the Constitution of the United States the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies, may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history” James Madison
“Every new and successful example, therefore, of a perfect separation between the ecclesiastical and civil matters, is of importance; and I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in showing that religion and Government will both exist in greater purity the less they are mixed together” James Madison
“Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man & his god, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state.” Thomas Jefferson
I was just checking. Sorry if I offended you.
There is a vast difference between “the separate and equal..” and the entirely invented demrat phrase “separation of church and state”.
The former is meant to underline the Founder’s belief that our “right ot life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness” is God given. No government can take it from us.
The purpose of “separation of church and state” is intended to ultimately marginalize—if not eradicate—religion (any religion) as a component of American life. That clause sets the table for kicking religion out of school or any public place. Once that is achieved, and the Marxixts are in power, religioin itslef will be outlawed. This isn’t exactly rocket science. Every Marxist regime does it because it demands fealty as the new religion. Would any ratonal person argue that the left is already doing that in America right now?
no offense taken ... And yes you are right about the liberals intent to marginalize. They have to make the state the supreme being in their world, worship at the alter of government.
I’m not sure what you want an example of? Are you asking for a list of the leaders of the Christian Reconstruction/Theonomy movement?
Actually, it was my understanding that the prohibition against the establishment of a "state church" by the federal government was generally included so that the individual states each had the right to define their own state religion.
Of course, the 14th Amendment renders that moot, as the restrictions against the federal government were extended to the states. But originally, the point was to allow Massachusetts to define its own official religion while Virginia defined another, as an example.
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