Skip to comments.US Gulf units may not fire on Iranian military without White House say-so
Posted on 04/29/2010 11:14:56 PM PDT by hamboy
The US Fifth Fleet and US aircraft carrier USS Eisenhower in the Gulf of Oman were not allowed to shoot at an Iranian Fokker F27 aircraft which on April 21 hovered for 20 minutes 900 meters over the carrier and no more than 250 meters away, even though they saw its flight crew gathering intelligence on the Eisenhower and its warship escorts.
DEBKA-Net-Weekly's military sources report that the US Persian Gulf command went public on the incident on April 28, a whole week later, only after Gulf military circles, amazed at the American naval and air units' passivity in the face of hostile surveillance, threatened to break the story to local media.
(Excerpt) Read more at debka.com ...
Through peace he shall destroy many.
It is tragic that this is so believable.
This means “never”.
This is stupid!
A Fokker F-27, a twin engined turboprop, hovered for twenty minutes!
During the cold War Soviet aircraft often flew near/over US carriers, always escorted by US aircraft.
DEBKA is not a credible news source.
I read DEBKAfile everday, sometimes they use wrong word. You might try their Hebrew version if you understand. I didn't know Fokker F-27 still flying.
this is insane. didn’t the Eisenhower have a CAP up?
The West vs. Iran, with the West commanded by socialists. The face of peace and accomodation. Maybe our face someday, God forbid.
It seems like the Iranians have 14 F-27’s in their inventory.
Since parts come from Denmark, any boycott would have little effect...:^)
המקורות הצבאיים של תיקדבקה: למרות שמפקדי הצי החמישי האמריקני, ומפקדי נושאת המטוסים האמריקנית 'אייזנהואר' USS Eisenhower, ידעו ב-21.4, כי המטוס האיראני מדגם פוקאר אפ Fokker F27, שטס במפרץ עומן במשך 20 דקות במרחק שאינו עולה על 900 מטר, ובגובה של לא יותר מ-250 מטר לצידה, הוא מטוס מודיעין איראני העוסק באיסוף מידע על פעולות נושאת המטוסים האמריקנית היחידה הנמצאת מול חופי איראן וספינות המלחמה המלוות אותה, לא בוצעה שום פעולה אמריקנית שתפריע לפעולת איסוף המודיעין האיראנית.
עוד מוסרים המקורות הצבאיים שלנו, כי מקורות צבאיים אמריקנים במפרץ הפרסי דיווחו על תקרית זו שבוע לאחר שאירעה, ביום ד' 28.4, רק לאחר שמקורות צבאיים במפרץ שהביעו פליאה על הפסיביות וחוסר התגובה האמריקנית עמדו להדליף דבר קיומה של תקרית זו לכלי תקשורת מקומיים.
מהשתלשלות האירועים וחוסר התגובה האמריקנית אליהם עולה בבירור כי למפקדי הצי האמריקני במפרץ ובים הערבי, ישנה הוראה שלא לנקוט בשום צעד, בוודאי שלא לפתוח באש, נגד כלי שייט או מטוסים איראניים, מבלי לקבל על כך אישור מוושינגטון.
מקורות צי ותעופה צבאיים אמרו לתיקדבקה כי הסטייה הקטנה ביותר של המטוס האיראני, הייתה מביאה אותו תוך לא יותר מ-10 שניות לטוס ישירות מעל נושאת המטוסים האמריקנית. גם במרחק בו המטוס האירני טס ליד נושאת המטוסים הוא היה יכול לפגוע בה.
Translated in English...
Tikedabka's military sources: Although the U.S. Fifth Fleet commanders, commanders of the American aircraft carrier "Eisenhower, USS Eisenhower, knew at -21.4, the Iranian plane model Fokker F27 Apocar up, flying in the Gulf of Oman for 20 minutes at a distance not exceeding 900 meters, height of No more than 250 feet beside her, is an Iranian aircraft engaged in collecting intelligence information on American aircraft carrier operations unit located off the coast of Iran warship accompanied her, was not carried out any American action interfere Iranian intelligence-gathering operation.
More give our military sources, that the American military sources reported in the Persian Gulf this week after the incident occurred on Wednesday, 28.4, just after the Gulf military sources expressed surprise that American passivity and lack of response had leaked the existence of this incident to local media.
Events and the American response to them is clear that the U.S. Navy commanders in the Gulf Arabian Sea, there is an order not to take any step, certainly not to open fire against a vessel or aircraft Iranian, without further approval from Washington.
Naval aviation and military sources said Ltikedabka that the smallest deviation of the Iranian plane was bringing him in not more than 10 seconds to fly directly over the aircraft carrier USS. It is also about the Iranian plane flew near the aircraft carrier he could hurt her.
Indeed, this is a crock. Iranian P-3s flew over Ike on a regular basis when I was working on the flight deck during the '06-'07 cruise. We didn't shoot them out of the sky then and we're not going to now unless they engage in a hostile action. Just flying over our ship in their backyard for a looksee doesn't constitute hostile actions.
I thought Debka was banned as a source on FR? They're about as credible as Weekly World News.
If FR bans DEBKAfile they gotta ban the PETA activist posting all Pitbull crap!
” The 0bamanation of desolation”
Oh, wait, you posted on that thread so you must have noticed it.
Who is a PETA activist?
I'm not disputing the account. I'm disputing Debkas take on it. I'm wondering why it's even newsworthy.
Iranian planes fly over carriers cruising in their backyard all the time in the Gulf. Big deal. Yes, we would need permission from the White House to shoot a surveillance plane out of the sky in international airspace. Imagine that? This isn't some kind of new policy. Debka is trying to turn a mundane, routine occurrence into some kind of display of a lack of resolve on the United States Navy. That's where this article is a crock.
Actually, I noticed it regularly while working on the flight deck of Ike for nearly eight months.
Same take CNN had. Your knocking Debka is a crock.
Your knocking Debka is a crock.
I'll call 'em as I see 'em (and I've seen plenty of Iranian surveillance planes).
From the CNN article...
While the encounter was not threatening, it was unusual. U.S. navy ships have regularly encountered Iranian aircraft in the Persian Gulf in recent years, but this encounter took place in the Gulf of Oman, in an area where Iranian jets are seen much less frequently, several Navy officials said.
The wording is almost identical.
Treason in high places. Pure and simple. no opposition from RINOs, WINOs or PINOs.
I was on a carrier in the Med in ‘61-62. We had to anchor offshore from most ports, as they could not deal with such large ships. I was in Catapults and thus above decks and witnessed several times in various ports the MIGs flying only a few hundred feet high coming at our ship and flying over. It was a common intimidation tactic during the Cold War. I guess the US pilots probably did the same to the USSR ships. .....The MIGs never tried such when our carrier task force was at sea. Wonder why?
“Who is a PETA activist?”
Someone who eats pit bulls for lunch.
Reminds me of the Lebanon marine barracks bombing. Our marines weren’t allowed to keep loaded rifles at the gate.
BS article. Flybys like that are common. all countries do that. This is the annual spring war-fever attempt to prop up oil prices.
I spent 22 years in the USN. These sort of flybys by MARPATs happen daily.
And by the way: First rule of all US ROE is that the right of self defence is pre-eminent.
As we put it in service: “You have to be alive to be CM.” The story is pure hype of a routine flyby...
Debka? It must absorbed with a large grain of salt.
Like this one? A Dog's Life Cut Short
The incident started when the pit bulls, who lived next door, bolted out of the front door and ran straight at Kody, witnesses said. Kody's owner, 19-year-old Broc Pulley, tried desperately to fend off the attack after a neighbor knocked on his door and told him what was happening.
Two of his friends whacked at the pit bulls with hockey sticks, while Pulley punched one of the dogs in the face in an attempt to get them off his dog. But it was too late. The larger pit bull broke the chain holding Kody and dragged his limp body two houses down. My neighbor's dog was killed this same way. A pit bull got loose, came to her yard, and tore her dog up while he was leashed. A couple of people tried to beat the pit bull off, but to no avail. She just watched her dog brutally murdered.
I hate the idea of pre-emptive law. But I am ready to support a law that requires all pit bull owners to get licenses, and to post a $50,000 bond or insurance, to be paid if their dogs attack other people or animals. They get the money back when their dog dies.
That way, people can still own the dog of their choice, but if they choose stupidly, those suffering from their choice can get compensated.
Of course, there’s nothing to see we don’t want them to see from the air. After all, we know there are satellites and higher-flying surveillance aircraft that can take pictures at any time.
But CNN makes it clear the “unusual” aspect was WHERE they Iranian plane was. Not that it was “unusual” for the Navy to allow a plane to fly over them, or not shoot them down, as the Debka report suggests.
And Admiral Roughead makes is clear WHERE they were flying was in international airspace. And he's correct. Look at a map. There's a whole lotta Iran to the north of the Gulf of Oman.
There's really no story here.
To try and explain this incident away, US naval sources Wednesday, April 28, claimed the Iranian plane was unarmed and its encounter with the US carrier was not of a threatening nature, although irregular.
Admiral Gary Roughead, Chief of Naval Operations, tried to play down the importance of the incident by saying: "The Iranians (pilots) were not provocative or threatening. As long as they are professional and not threatening or reckless, it's international space."
Again the text is almost identical except that Debka provides a bit more.
Admiral Gary Roughead, Chief of Naval Operations, tried to play down the importance of the incident by saying"tried to play down" implies that there was something to play down, and that there is something untoward about the attempt to dismiss the incident.
CNN is not a credible news source.
That was his point.
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