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You Are Unpaid Participants in Fluoride Experiments
http://open.salon.com/blog ^ | May 2, 2010 | nyscof

Posted on 05/02/2010 6:58:50 AM PDT by nyscof

New York -- May 2, 2010 -- Sixty-five years ago today, officials added fluoride chemicals into Newburgh, NY's public water supply making residents guinea pigs in a failed experiment to discover whether fluoride could safely reduce tooth decay. It didn't. But political pressure declared it a success. Any high school biology student can find the flaws in this "study." Fluoride researchers are still using our bodies and tax dollars for their own benefit.

Ten years later, 1955, researchers reported that newly fluoridated Newburgh children had more bone defects, anemia and earlier female menstruation than never-fluoridated Kingston children, according to the March 1956 Journal of the American Dental Association. Adults weren't even examined.

This is the first and only comprehensive U.S. research into fluoridation's effects to the human body and not just the teeth.

Newburgh's children were given complete physicals and x-rays, over the course of the study, from birth to age nine in the first year and up to age eighteen in the final year. “(R)outine laboratory studies were omitted in the control group during most of the study, they were included in the final examination,” report Schlesinger and colleagues, in “Newburgh-Kingston caries-fluorine study XIII. Pediatric findings after ten years.”

The researchers also report that:

-- “The average age at the menarche was 12 years among the girls studied in Newburgh and 12 years 5 months among the girls in Kingston.”

-- Hemoglobin (iron-containing part of a red blood cell): “a few more children in the range below 12.9 grams per hundred milliliters in Newburgh”

--- “…a slightly higher proportion of children in Newburgh were found to have a total erythrocyte (red blood cell) count below 4,400,000 per milliliter”

-- Knee X-rays of Newburgh children reveals more cortical bone defects, and irregular mineralization of the thigh bone.

Only twenty-five Newburgh children had eye and ear exams. Two had apparent hearing loss. Eight had abnormal vision. Even though researchers discovered more adult cataracts in surveys conducted before 1944 in communities with naturally high water fluoride concentrations, Newburgh and Kingston adults were never checked for this defect.

Only two groups of twelve-year-old boys were tested for fluoride’s toxic kidney effects.

“the University of Rochester conducted its own studies, measuring how much fluoride Newburgh citizens retained in their blood and tissues. Health Department personnel cooperated, shipping blood and placenta samples to the Rochester scientists,” writes Christopher Bryson in "The Fluoride Deception," Three times as much fluoride was found in the placentas and blood samples gathered from Newburgh as from non-fluoridated Rochester, reports Bryson.

Following back the scientific references in all current fluoridation safety literature will invariably lead back to the Newburgh/Kingston study which actually failed to prove fluoridation is safe.

After 65 years of fluoridation delivered to 70% of Americans on public water supplies and virtually all Americans via the food supply, the U.S. Surgeon General reports, tooth decay is a silent epidemic with cavity crises occurring in fluoridated cities, states and countries. See: http://www.FluorideNews.Blogspot.com

What about Newburgh? In 1998, it was reported that children in Newburgh have more cavities and more fluoride-caused discolored teeth (dental fluorosis) than children in never-fluoridated Kingston, according to a New York State Department of Health study.

ALL AMERICANS ARE GUINEA PIGS IN THIS ONGOING EXPERIMENT CALLED FLUORIDATION

The prestigious National Research Council says major gaps exist in the fluoride toxicology literature and encourages more fluoride research, e.g. fluoride's effects to bones, endocrine systems and brain functions.

It's time to retire fluoridation and take back our health and water from special interest groups. Tell your legislators and water companies to stop the unnecessary, health-robbing, money-wasting addition of fluoride chemicals into your public water supplies,

Also, take action to end fluoridation here on the national level http://congress.FluorideAction.Net


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KEYWORDS: flouride; fluoridation; fluoride; icecreammandrake; preciousbodilyfluids; purityofessence; sapandimpurify; water

1 posted on 05/02/2010 6:58:50 AM PDT by nyscof
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To: nyscof

No I’m not.


2 posted on 05/02/2010 6:59:47 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: nyscof
There was a DDT thread a couple weeks ago, we were overdue for a Fluoride thread.
3 posted on 05/02/2010 7:02:19 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: ASA Vet

4 posted on 05/02/2010 7:08:02 AM PDT by Amagi (Yo, Homeland Security: Stay stupid. Stay PC. Don't profile. Look for the bomb not the bomber.)
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To: nyscof

psssh mid 90’s North Carolina schools made kids take a fluoride wash everyday at school.


5 posted on 05/02/2010 7:10:53 AM PDT by Irenic
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To: Amagi

Nice photo, but the dial-up folks are going to hate you.


6 posted on 05/02/2010 7:11:29 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: nyscof
General Jack D. Ripper: "Mandrake, do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, why there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk... ice cream. Ice cream, Mandrake, children's ice cream."

Group Captain Lionel Mandrake: "Lord, Jack."

Ripper: "You know when fluoridation first began?"

Mandrake: "Aye, no, no. I don't Jack."

Ripper: "Nineteen hundred and forty-six. Nineteen forty-six Mandrake. How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? Its incredibly obvious isn't it. A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works."
7 posted on 05/02/2010 7:12:56 AM PDT by Sudetenland (Slow to anger but terrible in vengence...such is the character of the American people.)
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To: ASA Vet

Whats Dial up?


8 posted on 05/02/2010 7:13:17 AM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom sarc ;))
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To: nyscof
Link to the DDT thread
9 posted on 05/02/2010 7:14:05 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: nyscof
Often listening to how my Dentist father-in-law feels about this silly fear of Fluoride, I have to be on the side of the “Not this @&it again” side of the debate.

In practice since the mid 1960’s he has watched kids cavities take a dramatic plunge - and there is no question that Fluoride in water and toothpaste is most of the reason. In his words the Fluoride Experiments went quite well.

10 posted on 05/02/2010 7:16:03 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: al baby
Dial up is something not available to us VIC 20 users.
11 posted on 05/02/2010 7:16:14 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: nyscof

Yes ...but there were many decades BEFORE the governments starting adding fluoride to water - where natural fluoride in water was drunk by unsuspecting people.

Areas in the Southwest - including areas of Texas, has groundwater used for drinking water that has much higher concentrations of fluoride than is usually added in cities. I had an uncle who grew up in such an area. The higher fluoride in the water actually caused his teeth to have brown spots - but he never had any cavities!! (And BTW - it was this sort of long-term experience that caused people to consider that fluoridation of water would reduce cavities. And the people who proposed adding fluoride to water were able to show that the people in the regions where they were regularly consuming higher quantities of fluoride had no abnormal problems (or any problems had the same statistical chance of occurring as in areas without fluoride in water.)

So ....the studies should be evaluated as to whether or not there is a degree of hysteria in the study. Recall that there are many studies showing dangers of amalgam fillings or using Thimerisol as a preservative in medicines - yet most studies declare that the amalgam fillings are very safe, and Thimerisol is a safe preservative - and the other studies are based on junk science. Buyer beware!! Are the studies reliable - or are they the equivalent of the Anthropomorphic Global Warming hyped studies?


12 posted on 05/02/2010 7:16:41 AM PDT by Vineyard
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To: ASA Vet

Purity of Essence Alert?

13 posted on 05/02/2010 7:16:41 AM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF (Anyone who has ever read Roman history knows a barbarian invasion when they see one.)
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To: nyscof

My uncle, a retired physician, has been on a crusade for the last three years to rid fluoride from the water supply.


14 posted on 05/02/2010 7:19:51 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: Vineyard

Naturally occur fluoride is generally calcium fluoride. We now know that calcium is required for healthy Teeth. Back in the day, researchers ignored calcium and other tooth-building ingreadients of water and focused on fluoride because it’s what discolored the decay resistent teeth. So they theorized that fluoride was an essential nutrient required for healthy teeth and they were wrong.

Modern science indicates that ingesting fluoride does not reduce tooth decay. Fluoride hardens teeth topically only.

Natural fluoride in water supplies has crippled and killed many people in the world


15 posted on 05/02/2010 7:22:33 AM PDT by nyscof (Fluoride in Your Water? GET IT OUT)
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To: nyscof

From the info I have come across flouride was first used in the Soviet gulag and in Nazi concentration camps. The reason? To keep their subjects docile and compliant.


16 posted on 05/02/2010 7:23:33 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (?)
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To: Man50D

Your uncle is a hero. If he hasn’t already, he should sign the professionals statement opposed to fluoridation here

http://www.fluorideaction.org/statement.august.2007.html


17 posted on 05/02/2010 7:40:03 AM PDT by nyscof (Fluoride in Your Water? GET IT OUT)
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To: NavyCanDo
I was the nontreatment group control of the Flouride Experiment.

I grew up drinking pure natural well water pumped by a solar panel on the family farm.

I have a TON of cavities.

I wish I drank floridated water.

18 posted on 05/02/2010 7:45:30 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: nyscof

people scoff that autism and ADHD are epidemic compared to the good ol’ days when kids just got spanked


19 posted on 05/02/2010 7:51:33 AM PDT by silverleaf (Karl Marx was not one of the founding fathers ....)
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To: allmendream

Read what happened to people who grew up in the first fluoridated city Grand Rapids, Michigan

I’m 53, from Dutch background, born 1952 in Grand Rapids, Michigan - the first city in the US to get fluoride added to the water, starting in 1945. I think it’s possible that genetic susceptibility is involved, but my close relatives in Holland, where it’s against the law to add fluoride to the water, don’t have thyroid disease, and the relatives here who live in fluoridated cities do. My American relatives who stayed on the farm drinking well water lived into their nineties! Most of my mother’s high school friends who stayed in Grand Rapids are either dead of cancer or have Alzheimer’s. These are women who should be still healthy and functional in their seventies - nonsmokers, educated, involved in church and community, stable middle class incomes, not overweight.
Continued:

http://www.slweb.org/ftrcpersonalstories_aliss.html

there are many others


20 posted on 05/02/2010 7:52:24 AM PDT by nyscof (Fluoride in Your Water? GET IT OUT)
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To: nyscof

Parts of Arkansas do not have fluoridated water. Are there significant statistical differences between those areas and one with fluoridation?


21 posted on 05/02/2010 7:57:15 AM PDT by FourPeas (God Bless America)
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To: FourPeas

I don’t have flouridated water either. I just assume city dwellers are morons. LOL


22 posted on 05/02/2010 8:01:05 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: nyscof
Years ago, when I was pregnant for the first time, I went shopping for 'baby things'. I bought everything the store had for baby, including 'baby toothpaste'. Later, I asked my doctor why we needed a special toothpaste for babies. She said it is because babies will swallow the toothpaste so it doesn't have any flouride, which you need to spit out.

Later, at home, still pregnant, and drinking a glass of floridated tap water, the impact of that statement hit me.

23 posted on 05/02/2010 8:04:15 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: nyscof
....and another thing they don't tell you, especially dentists with boat payments, is it makes teeth brittle, not hard, then as you get a little older they break.

Crown City, USA.

24 posted on 05/02/2010 8:05:59 AM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: FourPeas

I don’t have details about Arkansas. However, New York State Department of Health statistics show no value to fluoridated water in reducing tooth decay.

See:

http://www.freewebs.com/fluoridation/NYS%20Cavities%203rd%20grade%20county%20and%20%20fluoridation.jpg


25 posted on 05/02/2010 8:12:42 AM PDT by nyscof (Fluoride in Your Water? GET IT OUT)
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To: allmendream
“I have a TON of cavities.”

My problem was too much candy and sweet kids cereal - and not enough brushing - and I hated the Dentist’ visiting him only when I was in pain. I had serious periodontal disease by the time I was a young adult, and no amount of Fluoride was going to help. My saving grace was marrying the daughter of my Dentist. Today I have zero cavities. Besides marrying the Dentist daughter I would highly recommend to buy a Sonicare brush. Its been one of the best advances in Dentistry since Fluoride.

26 posted on 05/02/2010 8:12:45 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: norraad

And up to 48% of US school children sport dental fluorosis - white spotted, yellow, brown and/or pitted teeth - from ingesting too much fluoride while their teeth were forming.

Covering up fluoride discolored teeth is a hugely lucrative market for dentists in cosmetically conscious Americans. It’s one of the reasons dentists can make so much money while neglecting the people who need dental care the most - low income people.

80% of dentists refuse Medicaid patients and 130 million Americans don’t have dental insurance.

Dentists fight hard and long to hang onto their lucrative monopoly. If fluoridation truly reduced tooth decay, organized dentistry would be telling us it is unsafe and ineffective. Then the would be telling the truth.


27 posted on 05/02/2010 8:16:49 AM PDT by nyscof (Fluoride in Your Water? GET IT OUT)
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To: nyscof
Yes, I love my dentist dearly as a person, but I know , like all dentists, he's a dirty, low life, yellow belly, scamin', lyin' boat payment makin' nazi/corpo/whore when it comes to this subject.

Like Chris Rock says about OJ the knife;

"I don't agree, . . . but I understand."

28 posted on 05/02/2010 8:29:07 AM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: nyscof

For everyone out there that feels dentists are low-life, money hungry, boat-payment, corporate whores (I think I got most of them) feel free to go to dental school and change the future of dentistry. Obviously you don’t understand the real issues behind serving the lower class. There’s more to it than providing cheap services. The appointment turnover rate is unreal. Half never show up for appointments. So even if dentists accepted medicare, medicare will not reimburse for missed appointments. You can’t pay employees, insurance, and overhead when appointments don’t show. You could, I guess, but dental offices would cease to exist. When they do show up, they obviously have not been caring for their teeth even after much dental education. On some fronts, until the lower class starts caring a little more it’s a waste to try and help them...not all, but some.


29 posted on 05/02/2010 9:19:55 AM PDT by kelly79 (Dental bashing)
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To: allmendream
i drank tap water my whole life, which i assume has been fluoridated, until i moved up here in on the hill ten years ago and have drank nothing but pure spring water since then, and it' been nothing fillings falling out and cavities since.

i'm not advocating fluoride, i'm just sayin...

30 posted on 05/02/2010 9:45:34 AM PDT by Chode
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To: nyscof

Not me. I have a real deep well.


31 posted on 05/02/2010 9:47:33 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Chode
and it' been nothing fillings falling out and cavities since.

At least you're not biting a cracker and spitting out a tooth. I did that once, at Disney World.

32 posted on 05/02/2010 9:49:04 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard
damn... hardtack???
33 posted on 05/02/2010 10:35:37 AM PDT by Chode
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To: Chode

34 posted on 05/02/2010 10:38:57 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: kelly79

That’s understandable. However, there are groups willing to fill teeth and go into geographical areas where dentists refuse to go. They are called Dental Therapists (DTs) DTs are trained for a few years and can do simple dental work as well as dentists. They have worked successfully for decades in first world contries and charge a lot less than dentists because they don’t have to go through all the schooling you mention.

However, the rich and therefore poltically powerful American Dental Association and its constituents lobby AGAINST the formation of this viabele solution to the dental health crisis that faces Amerca today.

The Louisiana Dental association forced a law in Louisiana which intended and did stop a Medicaid accpeting dentist from treating children in schools - children who will now go without care because no dentist in the area accepts Mediciaid.

I’ve been following the ADA and the laws they implement. They all have to do with making more money for dentists The ADA is just a union that represents dentists best interests.

And it’s obvious that fluoridation is not reducing tooth decay but gives the illusion that dentists really really care about poor people’s teeth. Yeah right.


35 posted on 05/02/2010 10:43:02 AM PDT by nyscof (Fluoride in Your Water? GET IT OUT)
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To: nyscof

The same ‘reasoning’ implies chlorination of water doesn’t improve health, and while one is at it, they might as well stop using bleach, and then get rid of soap in general.

Statistically, folks are better off with bacteria being killed off in their drinking water supplies, so it isn’t an unreasonable policy to implement in public potable water supplies.

I’m not surprised that a generation that has grown up with these amenities, might also be lazy enough not to brush their teeth, and statistically end up with as many oral hygiene problems as previous generations.


36 posted on 05/02/2010 10:44:30 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: kelly79

And just because people have little money doesn’t make them low-class. You’ve revealed the thinking of most dentists who have probably grown up privileged and have no clue what it’s like to live with little income or financially secure parents.


37 posted on 05/02/2010 10:46:25 AM PDT by nyscof (Fluoride in Your Water? GET IT OUT)
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To: Cvengr

Chlorine is added to treat the water. Fluoride is added to treat the person drinking that water. Since fluoride is neither a nutrient nor required for healthy teeth, it’s defined as a drug because it’s meant to make a bodily part change.

Drugs should never be administered in the water supply and dosed based on thirst not need, health, weight, etc.


38 posted on 05/02/2010 10:48:53 AM PDT by nyscof (Fluoride in Your Water? GET IT OUT)
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To: nyscof

Lucky me! I have well water, and a trout stream in the back yard!


39 posted on 05/02/2010 10:50:54 AM PDT by airborne ("It's a great day for hockey!" - 'Badger' Bob Johnson (RIP))
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To: Lancey Howard
oooohhh... i love peanut butter crackers
40 posted on 05/02/2010 10:55:09 AM PDT by Chode
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To: nyscof
Hmm, I see we have a few ‘we think its good for you so we will put it in your water, whether or not you like it’ folks on this thread.

(nanny stater's?)
41 posted on 05/03/2010 6:19:26 PM PDT by Fichori ('Wee-Weed Up' pitchfork wielding neolithic caveman villager with lit torch. Any questions?)
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To: nyscof

I’m from Minnesota and participated in the passing of a dental therapist. Minnesota is the first state to try this and it has not yet been implemented.


42 posted on 09/13/2010 6:41:29 PM PDT by kelly79 (Dental bashing)
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