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ZOT! Michigan Firemen Setting Fires Over Union Anger
Publius Forum ^ | 05/02/10 | Warner Todd Huston

Posted on 05/02/2010 3:04:14 PM PDT by Mobile Vulgus

Why was this story not national news? Outrageously, firemen in Flint, Mich. went about the city setting fires instead of putting them out last month and all because their union wasn't happy with job layoffs. In a vain attempt to stop the layoffs, these union criminals went around setting fires to try and scare Flint's residents in order to goad them to tell city officials to rescind the layoffs.

Imagine the breach of trust that this represents between firemen and the citizenry? What next, will Flint policemen commit murders and armed robberies in like manner to the criminal activities of the union inflamed foremen of the city?

Is this where unions have taken the safety of our cities...

Read the rest at Publiusforum.com...


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KEYWORDS: backdraft; crime; firemen; michigan; unions; unionviolence
Is it socking that the Old Media didn't broadcast this story all across the country to show union criminality? Probably not, but that doesn't excuse them!
1 posted on 05/02/2010 3:04:15 PM PDT by Mobile Vulgus
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Puts meaning to the second word in “Union Goons.”


2 posted on 05/02/2010 3:06:52 PM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Any firefighter who sets a fire, not in a fireplace or BBQ pit, or under the command of your Chief, must be expelled from the Fire Service. I am a 19 yr. Volunteer.


3 posted on 05/02/2010 3:06:52 PM PDT by Shady (The Fairness Doctrine is ANYTHING but fair!!!!)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Michigan is what this country will look like after 8 years of Obama.


4 posted on 05/02/2010 3:09:20 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2312894/posts?page=242)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

This is about union power. Abolish the whole union. Any fireman willing to come back to work without the union still has a job. Oh, send the bill for fighting the arsons to the union and send the thugs to prison who actually set the fires.


5 posted on 05/02/2010 3:10:12 PM PDT by freedomfiter2
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Didn’t even read that on the obit page.
That’s where they bury bad news.


6 posted on 05/02/2010 3:12:00 PM PDT by Joe Boucher (Just say NO to RINOs. (FUBO))
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To: Mobile Vulgus

What in the Hell is wrong with these people!? >_<;


7 posted on 05/02/2010 3:12:19 PM PDT by chris37
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To: Mobile Vulgus

The linked article to MLive.com on this blog article does not support the conclusion that union firefighters set these fires.... Investigators have drawn no such conclusion.


8 posted on 05/02/2010 3:14:44 PM PDT by willieroe
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To: Mobile Vulgus

“Is this where unions have taken the safety of our cities..”

Of course it is. If the stuff hits the fan, do you really think they will be there selflessly protecting you?

Dream on.

If they lose their jobs, do you think they will accept responsibility for being too expensive to employ? of course not.

Right now we have “over response” to even minor issues - so that everyone looks busy in fire/police.....but it’s coming. The gravy train is going off the tracks - and displaced, but coddled government employees of every sort are not going to take it calmly or non-violently.


9 posted on 05/02/2010 3:15:17 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: Mobile Vulgus

While this seems like a probable conclusion from the rash of arson fires, there is no actual proof that they are being set by the firemen. No one has been arrested or charged.


10 posted on 05/02/2010 3:15:54 PM PDT by proxy_user
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To: Mobile Vulgus
Arson

The arson or attempted arson of any property carries a statutory minimum sentence of 5 years and a maximum of 20 years. If any person is injured in the arson or attempted arson, the statutory minimum is 7 years and maximum is 40 years, and if the fire results in the death of a firefighter or other person the defendant may receive up to life in prison, or even be subject to the death penalty.

11 posted on 05/02/2010 3:15:57 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
...8 years of Obama.

SHIVERS!!!

12 posted on 05/02/2010 3:17:13 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Nice pic from Fahrenheit 451. I was about to comment that Michigan seems to have taken Ray Bradbury to heart about firemen.


13 posted on 05/02/2010 3:19:54 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

This “fire” department should be disbanded and the perpetrators punished severely. Reform a new department and ban any of the previous employees from joining it.


14 posted on 05/02/2010 3:33:53 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: YHAOS

I seriously despise unions now.

They should be on the watch list instead of tea partiers.


15 posted on 05/02/2010 3:36:58 PM PDT by Califreak (Silence is golden. Duct tape is silver.)
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To: Mobile Vulgus
"Michigan Firemen Arsonists Setting Fires Over Union Anger"

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16 posted on 05/02/2010 3:39:07 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: Mobile Vulgus
I wouldn't be surprised if the firemen set these fires off themselves. Firemen have been setting fires to buildings, then turning up to "put out the fires" that they themselves set off, for decades. Only thing is, these fires were probably organized by the union thugs.

This one is from 1905:

Bayonne Man Admits Burning 15 Houses, Police Say. HE LOVED THE EXCITEMENT Never Missed Responding to an Alarm and Was Always First at the Engine House.

March 27, 1905, Monday
The police of Bayonne yesterday afternoon arrested James McInerny, a member of Americus Engine Company of that city, and later declared they had obtained from him a confession that he had for months been starting fires for the sake of fighting them when the alarms were turned in
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=950DE7DE173DE733A25754C2A9659C946497D6CF

More recent cases:
Too Close To The Fire
A Problem Few Firefighters Want To Talk About
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/11/20/60II/main530103.shtml

17 posted on 05/02/2010 3:39:42 PM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Burn Baby Burn
http://www.deweyfromdetroit.com/


18 posted on 05/02/2010 3:40:13 PM PDT by Matchett-PI (Jim Wallis speaks for Christians the same way that Jesse Jackson speaks for all blacks.)
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To: willieroe

“Investigators have drawn no such conclusion”

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They don’t dare!


19 posted on 05/02/2010 3:41:06 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: editor-surveyor

Of COURSE they didn’t “draw those conclusions”!! The Cops are union thugs too!!! They won’t attack a brother union. And the politicians there are in the back pocket of the unions, THEY won’t charge anyone EITHER!


20 posted on 05/02/2010 4:00:35 PM PDT by Mobile Vulgus
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To: SmokingJoe

We’ve had a couple of firefighter/arsonists in Seattle, including a rather a notorious one who committed over 60 fires. He eluded police until four firefighters perished in a warehouse he had torched. He was caught and sentenced to 99 years. I know that there were many who thought that he deserved to “ride the lightening”.

I recall being one of them...


21 posted on 05/02/2010 4:05:48 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

why does the title have a Zot in it?


22 posted on 05/02/2010 4:06:59 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch (With socialism you are never sure of the past.)
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To: Mobile Vulgus
I have witnessed two vehicle fires being put out by firefighters.

Not only did they go berserk in putting out the fire on a Norton Commando motorcycle, they purposely destroyed anything that was NOT touched by the fire. They smashed with their axes all the glass, the headlight, both tires and used their water jet to push the bike down the road on its side. It was disgusting!

A pickup truck had rolled over on its side in the snow - not on fire, but that didn't stop the firefighters! They forced water into the gas tank, opened the hood and started chopping away! Destroyed the truck. They could have easily started a fire by shorting out the battery!

A good friend's brother was a ambulance driver - he told me a few stories about the dirty tricks that they got away with that would make you wonder, ‘why are they trusted so much’

These guys use their uniforms to give them power - if they are not tightly controlled, in a military fashion, they will take quickly advantage of their position.

Many third world countries don't even have to pay their policemen a living salary. Many bullies will actually pay the govt to work as a officer because the uniform and the ‘bakeesh’ or bribes will make them very rich.

23 posted on 05/02/2010 4:09:36 PM PDT by Doctor DNA (No tag today.)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Just like teachers fail to teach anything useful and our kids are dumb and that justifies ever increased spending.


24 posted on 05/02/2010 4:16:13 PM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com << Get your science fiction and fiction test marketed)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

California is what this country will look like after 4 years of Obama.


25 posted on 05/02/2010 4:17:35 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Doctor DNA

A couple of things: WHen you fight a vehicle fire, the first thing you need to do is cut the battery cables. I guess you can use an axe. I have never heard about water in the gas tank though. I only have a little firefighter experience.
Historically, during manpower reductions, if a rash of fires occur it usually is the responsibility of fire fighters. There is no proof that flint fire fighters started the fires, but they are definitely on my list as possible suspects.
The increase was about 10 fold during the 4-5 weeks after firefighters were laid off. They stopped immediatley after the city announced they got federal funds to rehire them for 2 years.


26 posted on 05/02/2010 4:23:00 PM PDT by midcop402
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To: Califreak
"I seriously despise unions now."

Yes. Making a clear distinction between the union leadership and their minions, and the rank-and-file membership.

27 posted on 05/02/2010 4:23:39 PM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: YHAOS

I do understand that not all union members are bad.

For now though, I have thoroughly had it with SEIU and the teachers unions. They are true evil and giving unions a bad name.


28 posted on 05/02/2010 4:32:46 PM PDT by Califreak (Silence is golden. Duct tape is silver.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Michigan is what this country will look like after 8 years of Obama.”

Then you don’t really know much about Michigan as a whole. Once you get past the inner cities and union mentality (most employment is nonunion), Michigan is a beautiful state with some great people. I just wish we could turn the vote to red. The west side of the state is largely conservative, and there’s nothing wrong with Detroit and Flint that several days of carpet bombing wouldn’t fix. :)


29 posted on 05/02/2010 4:36:00 PM PDT by Mich Patriot (Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July, but democrats believe every day is April 15th.)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Not much has changed since “On the Waterfront”.


30 posted on 05/02/2010 4:37:50 PM PDT by microgood
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To: Mich Patriot
The west side of the state is largely conservative, and there’s nothing wrong with Detroit and Flint that several days of carpet bombing wouldn’t fix.

Although I do not remember, I was born in Flint (but that was 53 years ago).
31 posted on 05/02/2010 4:40:53 PM PDT by microgood
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Should have been shot on sight for doing something like that.


32 posted on 05/02/2010 4:41:01 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (No prisoners, no mercy. 2010 is here...)
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To: Califreak
I do understand that not all union members are bad.

What's that saying? It is 99.99% of union members that give the other 0.01% a bad name.

I avoid buying anything union made if I can help it. Sadly I can't legally skip taxes so I cannot avoid financing unions entirely, but when it comes to discretionary purchases, I make sure to do business only with non-union companies and non-union suppliers.

It is more patriotic to buy something made in China than to buy anything made by a union in the USA.

33 posted on 05/02/2010 4:43:48 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: InvisibleChurch

“why does the title have a Zot in it?”

Ya know what? I have no idea. I didn’t put it there. It must have been a moderator whot dune it.


34 posted on 05/02/2010 4:48:06 PM PDT by Mobile Vulgus
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To: Mobile Vulgus
if they don’t get their demands met, why they’ll burn the city to the ground.

There is nothing new under the sun. The later Roman Emperors had similar troubles with their Praetorian Guard.

35 posted on 05/02/2010 4:53:04 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Islam is an enemy and not a religion entitled to 1st Amendment protection.)
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To: microgood

Oh yeah? Well obviously it was a joke, but indeed Flint has changed a LOT in the last 25 years. Unfortunately the city was too highly dependent on Buick, and hit hard times just like Detroit with the automotive woes. But don’t try to tell the union folks that they were part of the problem...a lot of heads are still blissfully in the sand here.


36 posted on 05/02/2010 4:54:37 PM PDT by Mich Patriot (Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July, but democrats believe every day is April 15th.)
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To: Mobile Vulgus
SEIU: Union.  Redefined.
37 posted on 05/02/2010 4:59:27 PM PDT by Oceander (The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance -- Thos. Jefferson)
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To: freedomfiter2

This is about union power. Abolish the whole union. Any fireman willing to come back to work without the union still has a job. Oh, send the bill for fighting the arsons to the union and send the thugs to prison who actually set the fires.
_____________

Agreed! It’ll never happen — but agreed.


38 posted on 05/02/2010 5:09:47 PM PDT by patriot preacher (To be a good American Citizen and a Christian IS NOT a contradiction. (www.mygration.blogspot.com))
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To: Mich Patriot
But don’t try to tell the union folks that they were part of the problem...a lot of heads are still blissfully in the sand here.

There is an undeniable link between the Midwest and East love of unions and the fact that it is now called the Rust Belt.
39 posted on 05/02/2010 5:17:21 PM PDT by microgood
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To: InvisibleChurch
why does the title have a Zot in it?

Probably because the title of the thread has nothing to do with the content of the article.

40 posted on 05/02/2010 5:19:00 PM PDT by Popman (Balsa wood: Obama Presidential timber)
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To: Mobile Vulgus
Michigan Firemen Setting Fires Over Union Anger

I guess "Guilty until proven innocent" is the new mantra around here...........not surprised.

41 posted on 05/02/2010 5:25:47 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Peanut butter was just peanut butter until I found Free Republic.........)
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To: Mich Patriot

I have the same view of Minnesota. Just napalm Minneapolis and Saint Paul.


42 posted on 05/02/2010 5:48:00 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (From this point forward the Democrat Party will be referred to as the Communist Party)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Flint, MI?! Isn’t that Michael Moore’s hometown?


43 posted on 05/02/2010 7:31:50 PM PDT by Mobties
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To: Mobties

It sure is.


44 posted on 05/02/2010 8:16:22 PM PDT by Mobile Vulgus
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To: pnh102

All the stuff SEIU has done at rallies makes me hate the sight of people in union shirts and those “Union YES!” bumper stickers.

When I hear the word union, my first thought is thugs.


45 posted on 05/02/2010 9:09:34 PM PDT by Califreak (Silence is golden. Duct tape is silver.)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Let them try this in the south. Socking indeed!


46 posted on 05/02/2010 9:14:34 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Califreak
I do understand that not all union members are bad.

That was, of course, my point. However, we must also acknowledge that these same rank-and-file members support union and governmental corruption with their dues, willy-nilly, whether or not their wishes to the contrary. And, they seem unable, or unwilling, to do anything about it.

47 posted on 05/03/2010 9:58:42 AM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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