Posted on 05/14/2010 2:05:41 PM PDT by OL Hickory
A FoxNews.com investigation reveals that a popular recreational pellet gun can be converted easily to a real semi-automatic weapon. And while the federal Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives is already aware of the issue, these “toys” -- new, top-of-the-line airsoft rifles -- continue to be sold throughout the country
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Any Body else think this is just overreaching?
If it can be done, I’d like to see a demonstration cause I’m not buying it. Smells like B.S. to me.
Even Fox is regurgitating the BS story. Wow!
However, that would be the first and last round fired, and it is quite possible that the shooter would lose a digit, an eye, or worse.
I would say that your bullshiite detector is in working order.
So is this a problem with the Airsoft or with the AR-15 where the serial numbered "receiver" isn't all that important of part, while the working bits and the barrel can be bought as repair parts instead of them being counted as the soul of the rifle?
An airsoft gun with SS barrel and at least aluminum receiver, maybe. But the airsoft guns I have seen are mostly polymer with some springs.
Is this the new Saturday night Special, another fictional threat that Congress must address with real laws?
“The reason the lower half of the AR-15 is the part with the serial number, and thus classified as the receiver, is that when the gun was created it was up to the manufacturer to choose the location of the gun’s serial number, he said. Because the bottom of the gun has a flat surface, it was the easiest to mark.”
And all this time I thought it was because it held the trigger, sear, hammer, and safety, plus held the mag, and had the barrel attachment!
So if this is true, then what about ANY rifle or shotgun, where “all the pressure” is in the barrel, but the barrel has no SS#?
Exactly. Do it. Show me or shut up.
And don't put it on that test bed. Fire it yourself.
Complete
This is so much BS I had to pull up my pant legs. While in theory you might get off a round that would likely be the first and last one and your chances of hitting something would be laughable. Reminds me of the old “zip guns” in the 1950s supposedly made from a piece of car antenna and a 22 round...a pretty hollow threat.
I think they are saying you take the airsoft “receiver” and mount an AR upper to it.
‘Course, they also say you could make the receiver out of cardboard...
Now, the BB's on the other hand hurt like hell!! ;-)
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Airsoft toys are made of PLASTIC -- (pretty cheap stuff)
The heat and kinetic energy of 1 round would warp the "barrel" -- assuming a bullet made it to the end before tumbling or fragmenting.
I am reminded of inmates.... and asylums....
JMHO....
I can't believe Fox is running this as a credible story, unless they're doing it as thinly disguised satire to expose the incompetence and duplicity of the ATF.
AND, as if all that weren't enough, even if this were true and they could be converted into weapons, they're not as convertible as say, making an AR-15 into an M-16, and even ATF doesn't claim they can seize AR-15's on that basis. More evidence that this is a hastily fielded cover-up so they don't have to say "Oops, we're so incompetent we can't tell airsoft from real guns".
And electric motors. How are THOSE going to deal with real cartridges?
Car antenna zip guns do work but are as dangerous for you as them as you have to get real close.
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Stick with a potato launcher.
Best in golf ball caliber using acetelene.
Bet that’s a high-quality weapon...
This is SO much BS!
if looks could kill..........
This is what a smithy said - this IS complete BS
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The WE TTI M4’s lack any sort of functional gas tube which is integral to an AR15’s operation
The upper receiver of an AR15 fits onto the lower of the WE TTI M4
The stock trigger pack in the WE TTI cannot strike the firing pin of a AR15 bolt
The body of the WE TTI lower is several mils thinner than an AR15 lower, and shims would be needed for any AR trigger pack to work
The trigger pack of an AR15 appears to be able to fit onto the lower receiver of a WE TTI M4, one of the AR15 trigger pack retaining pins is impossible to insert without major modification, and the hammer isn’t operable with the WE TTI lower.
This is most likely a cover for the screwup when they(BATF)confiscated a bunch of imported airsoft airguns. He**, they are even real air guns! They shoot plastic pellets and there is no way they would hold the pressure of a cartridge.
Give me the ammo and I can create a weapon to fire that ammo! The firing mechanism can be built out of many, many different .. household items!
Outlaw, Regulate ..Everything?
ATF lawlessly seizes toy AirSoft Guns! (video)
ATF Seizes 30 Toy Guns, Says "They Can Be Converted Into Machine Guns"
(video) Watch the affirmative action BATFE agent try to put the magazine in backwards. This is the video to watch if you watch only one.
The fact that the ATF refuses to release the tests they claim to have, proving the gun can be converted, without a FOIA request tells you all you need to know about their credibility.
Get the Myth Busters on this.
Watch out, ATF getting ready to kill more innocent civilians a la Waco. Make sure you guys have crates for your dogs, because when the ATF comes in, Rover is getting shot.
I ead the article. They think you can take an airsoft “receiver” and drill one hole, then mount an AR upper to it (perhaps one of the EZ-3 kits made famous in the Waco case). I don’t know how you’d make the trigger group compatible.
Looks like propaganda to make ALL firearm parts traceable by serial, and if you wanted a new barrel or slide stop for a 1911, you’d need to get it from an FFL with fed paperwork.
>Looks like propaganda to make ALL firearm parts traceable by serial, and if you wanted a new barrel or slide stop for a 1911, you’d need to get it from an FFL with fed paperwork.
There’s the appropriately cynical thought; good job.
there is asbsolutely no way i would fire a live round through an airsoft. it is by no means safe.
Thanks, I think; so much in the article makes no sense, so I looked for what would make it make sense. Sort of like Assault Weapons in Los Angeles back a bunch of years.
It’s very easy to convert one of these airsoft rifles into a real AR-15. All you have to do is replace the upper receiver/barrel/gas system with a real AR-15 upper. Then, take your franken-rifle and replace the lower receiver/FCG with a real AR-15 lower. Voila: you now have a functional AR-15.
HEY ATF: THE JERK STORE CALLED; THEY’RE RUNNING OUT OF YOU!
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