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The Next American Civil War: The Populist Revolt Against the Liberal Elite
Newsweek's We Read It So You Don't Have To ^ | May 17, 2010 | "We Read It" Reader: McKay Coppins

Posted on 05/17/2010 10:20:28 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The Next American Civil War: The Populist Revolt Against the Liberal Elite
Lee Harris

Remember those rowdy Town-Hall meetings last summer sparked by President Obama’s proposed health-care reform? Harris wants to make the case that those eruptions of populist anger could prove to be the beginning of the next American civil war. Yes, that kind of civil war. Drawing from a wealth of history and political philosophy, he contends that the philosophical divide between the Tea Party populists and the liberal intellectuals is so deep that nothing short of a “civil breakdown” is likely to mend the rift. And he says that’s healthy American politics. The Tea Party may be a fledgling political outfit, but it’s already flexing its muscles in advance of the midterm elections, especially in Senate races in Utah, Arizona, and Florida. The big question, of course, is how disruptive will this third party be? To Harris, the answer is “very.” He argues that if the liberal intellectuals and populist conservatives don’t come to an understanding, it could spell violent revolution and lead to an overthrow of the government.

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1.Either take up arms, or drop the rhetoric. The 18th-century Sons of Liberty, who drove the populist uprising against the British crown, sparked violent riots, committed serious crimes, and fought against the government. The cause? Taxes, of course! Harris says that today’s Tea Party activists may echo much of the same language as the Sons of Liberty, but they haven’t backed up all that talk with action: “If those who claim to be fighting in the name of liberty are not prepared to go to extremes, if they are reluctant to break either laws or windows, then perhaps it would be best if they just dropped their pointlessly inflammatory rhetoric, and got back to reality”(continued)

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TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Health/Medicine; Politics
KEYWORDS: 2010election; 2010midterms; bookreview; civilwar; civilwar2; crushliberalism; cw2; cwii; cwiiping; democrats; donttreadonme; elections; liberalelite; liberalfascism; obama; obamacare; remembernovember; sonsofliberty; sonsofliberty2; teaparty
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And Newsweek wonders why they're going out of business. If not for doctors, dentists and chiropractors offices, we'd have forgotten their name by now.
1 posted on 05/17/2010 10:20:28 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The first Civil War was about States rights, the Second Civil War will be about, STATES RIGHTS.

It was not all about slavery.


2 posted on 05/17/2010 10:22:52 PM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
When in a doctor's, dentist's or chiropractor's office, remind them who's paying the bill,
and DEMAND they change the channel to FOX NEWS!!!
3 posted on 05/17/2010 10:25:10 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Within a year, any fool who still has an 0bama bumper sticker on his car is liable to get his a$$ kicked. That’s one, small way, things like civil wars start. It is an indicator of how pi$$ed off people are.


4 posted on 05/17/2010 10:25:12 PM PDT by unkus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
And Newsweek wonders why they're going out of business. If not for doctors, dentists and chiropractors offices, we'd have forgotten their name by now.

,

Yeah, but now NOBODY dares to even touch any magazine in any doctor's office as they are all covered in germs and bacteria, and flu germs.

5 posted on 05/17/2010 10:26:09 PM PDT by timestax (Drug tests for the President AND all White Hut staff!)
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To: television is just wrong

Second Civil War will be about, STATES RIGHTS.


Arizona knows!


6 posted on 05/17/2010 10:26:22 PM PDT by unkus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
They still don't get what the tea partiers are.

Small groups of like-minded people, fighting for a cause which deeply affects their way of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, as well as that of their progeny. All over the United States.

It's May, but November is coming.

7 posted on 05/17/2010 10:27:54 PM PDT by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: unkus

yes they do.


8 posted on 05/17/2010 10:35:02 PM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No kidding! Wonder if Newsweek will have a new owner named Ahab?


9 posted on 05/17/2010 10:36:17 PM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

not just Liberal Elite, but the GOP elite, who talk the good talk but never act on it because they never run to rock the boat that they themselves are on


10 posted on 05/17/2010 10:38:28 PM PDT by 4rcane
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To: Jack Black; Travis McGee

Ping.


11 posted on 05/17/2010 10:40:15 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (*)
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To: Yosemitest

When my dentist works on my mouth, FOX News is playing on the monitors in the ceiling. He even pauses to catch the details of breaking stories. Rides motorcycles too. What’s not to like about the guy?


12 posted on 05/17/2010 10:43:32 PM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (A "tea bagger"? Say it to my face. ><BCC>)
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To: Jet Jaguar
Geez Louise, JJ!

Newsweek is stirring the pot again?

Guess they've taken over from Time.


13 posted on 05/17/2010 10:46:37 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The problem is not liberal elites. The problem is liberal idiots who have political power.
14 posted on 05/17/2010 10:47:53 PM PDT by stripes1776 ("That if gold rust, what shall iron do?" --Chaucer)
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To: unkus

I saw a woman with an O “Hope” tee-shirt on in a store this weekend. My initial disgust turned to pity as she walked by - apparently either still in the “Hope” brainwashed zombie coma or else a total entitlement-mentality “Get some free!” parasite. Either way, no concept of the freedoms that are rapidly being dismantled, the betrayal of Israel, and the betrayal of our Constitution.


15 posted on 05/17/2010 10:56:16 PM PDT by MonicaG (God bless our military! Praying and thanking God for you every day. Thank you!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

bookmark


16 posted on 05/17/2010 10:57:33 PM PDT by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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To: MonicaG

Disgusting.


17 posted on 05/17/2010 10:58:39 PM PDT by unkus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The previous civil war was not even really a civil war but rather a war waged to maintain secession & independence from the rest of the USA. The purported coming civil war [ just like the last one ] will only benefit the very forces who want to centralize even more power because the “rebels” are always scapegoated on the alter of creating even MORE oppressive & intrusive macro States. I wonder if the true purpose this coming civil war will not simply be used as the convenient pretext to implement & rationalize the proposed North American Union plan.


18 posted on 05/17/2010 10:59:26 PM PDT by Republic_of_Secession.
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To: Republic_of_Secession.

Just a thought.


19 posted on 05/17/2010 10:59:59 PM PDT by Republic_of_Secession.
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To: MonicaG

The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the presidency. It will be easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to an electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails us. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The republic can survive a Barack Obama It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president.” — Author Unknown


20 posted on 05/17/2010 11:00:43 PM PDT by unkus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“The more powerful and advanced a civilization becomes, he reasons, the less liberty it can afford to its people. Peace and stability require laws, not freewheeling libertarianism. A strong military, an efficient police force, safe roads, bridges? Yup, all that means taxes. “Superpower status is not cheap,” he writes, about a quarter of the way into the book, “and someone must pay for it” (page 54)”

I can’t believe Harris made such a superficial argument. He’s a smart guy. I don’t always agree with him. But he certainly knows that the items he lists make up only a small portion of the federal budget.

What is bankrupting the US is entitlements and redistribution of income we don’t have. That’s what the elite wants high taxes for. They could care less about roads for flyover country—except insofar as it can be earmarked and sold for votes. As long as the DC transit system gets them around in style, they are good with transit.


21 posted on 05/17/2010 11:02:07 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: Republic_of_Secession.

The previous civil war was not even really a civil war but rather a war waged to maintain secession & independence from the rest of the USA. The purported coming civil war [ just like the last one ] will only benefit the very forces who want to centralize even more power because the “rebels” are always scapegoated on the alter of creating even MORE oppressive & intrusive macro States. I wonder if the true purpose this coming civil war will not simply be used as the convenient pretext to implement & rationalize the proposed North American Union plan.


Divide and conquer.


22 posted on 05/17/2010 11:03:23 PM PDT by unkus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“The big question, of course, is how disruptive will this third party be?”

No, that question begs the proposition that the TP is in fact a third party. It’s not.

As I’ve said before, it’s just a silent killer. Of bribed and pork-voting congresspeople.


23 posted on 05/17/2010 11:41:16 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (Voters who thought their ship came in with 0bama are on their own Titanic.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

As I said a while ago....I could have cheerfully climbed through the computer screen over this....talk about blood shooting from the eyes....does anyone else get as enraged as I? Oh, I know, that’s exactly what they want....they better be careful what they wish for!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMUVFctJ2Xw


24 posted on 05/17/2010 11:41:26 PM PDT by Kimberly GG ("Path to Citizenship" Amnesty candidates will NOT get my vote!)
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To: unkus

So true....see the folks in my post #24


25 posted on 05/17/2010 11:42:44 PM PDT by Kimberly GG ("Path to Citizenship" Amnesty candidates will NOT get my vote!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Harris comes off as an agent provocateur...and he uses the same lame sophomoric arguments as my liberal friends do, to imply that conservatives are against police, transportation infrastructure, and similar basics. They don’t get it. If only the moonbats would stick to the basics, there’d be nothing to argue about.


26 posted on 05/17/2010 11:49:23 PM PDT by Ackackadack
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To: Blue Collar Christian

It was my misunderstanding that the original poster was complaining that those offices were full of false news.


27 posted on 05/17/2010 11:50:53 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The American Revolution was about a lot more than taxes. Libtards can’t speak credibly on much of anything it seems. Like the very common occurrence of violence by the left in the last 40 years.


28 posted on 05/17/2010 11:52:16 PM PDT by TigersEye (0basma's father was a British subject. He can't be a "natural-born" citizen.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

With the enemy all ready in our own government, if the dems win in November, you best have had an exit strategy pre-planned and readily accessible.


29 posted on 05/17/2010 11:54:27 PM PDT by TheDailyChange (Politics,Conservatism,Liberalism)
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To: unkus
The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the presidency. It will be easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to an electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails us. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The republic can survive a Barack Obama It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president.” — Author Unknown

Excellent and bears repeating!

30 posted on 05/18/2010 12:05:51 AM PDT by little jeremiah (http://lifewurx.com - Good herb formulas made by a friend)
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To: unkus

Brings to mind the moral cesspit that Germany was in the 20s and 30s - fertile soil for Hitler and Nazism.


31 posted on 05/18/2010 12:06:48 AM PDT by little jeremiah (http://lifewurx.com - Good herb formulas made by a friend)
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To: MonicaG
Either way, no concept of the freedoms that are rapidly being dismantled, the betrayal of Israel, and the betrayal of our Constitution.

Yes and unfortunately there are a lot of citizens who think like that. There is no way to reach them either.

32 posted on 05/18/2010 12:16:57 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: TheDailyChange

I have several. Here’s one:

http://www.LivingInThePhilippines.com


33 posted on 05/18/2010 12:19:31 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Don't care if he was born in a manger on July 4th! A "Natural Born" citizen requires two US parents!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
it could spell violent revolution and lead to an overthrow of the government.

Newsweek is WRONG as usual.

This is not about "Revolt", but about "Restoration" of a Constitutional Government.

34 posted on 05/18/2010 12:44:58 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Eaker; afnamvet; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; An Old Man; ApesForEvolution; aragorn; archy; ..
CWII PING !


35 posted on 05/18/2010 12:45:31 AM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
But then he makes an about-face: freedom and civilization don’t mix. The more powerful and advanced a civilization becomes, he reasons, the less liberty it can afford to its people.

Wrong Again

A society advances in the presence of Freedom not the other way around. Absence of Freedom is present in a declining civilization (and Dictatorships).

36 posted on 05/18/2010 12:51:49 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Much more perspective on the book and author, and not from the eyes of Newsweek:

http://american.com/archive/2010/march/weak-tea-or-strong-tea

Weak Tea or Strong Tea?

By Lee Harris Wednesday, March 10, 2010


37 posted on 05/18/2010 1:10:46 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: Blue Collar Christian
What’s not to like about the guy?

Other than the fact that he's got his hands and sharp instruments in your mouth and causes a lot of pain, nothing.

Oh, yeah, and he does charge for it. That, too.

38 posted on 05/18/2010 1:21:45 AM PDT by FredZarguna (I wonder what "bitte bitte"means?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

bttt for later read


39 posted on 05/18/2010 1:38:48 AM PDT by Abundy
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To: ModelBreaker

“The more powerful and advanced a civilization becomes, he reasons, the less liberty it can afford to its people. Peace and stability require laws, not freewheeling libertarianism.”

“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” Benjamin Franklin

Need I say more?


40 posted on 05/18/2010 2:08:22 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: unkus
America, in the greater scheme of the ages of civilizations, is rather young, similar to a smartalek teenager. The Teen think (s)he knows everything; smarter than the parents.
In the case of America, this so called Teenager of a nation is not listening to the “Parents”, those nations who have tried socialism and can tell anyone willing to listen, that it does not work.
What horrible growing pains some of these elite liberal idiots are taking this nation.
41 posted on 05/18/2010 2:13:57 AM PDT by celtic gal
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Either take up arms, or drop the rhetoric. The 18th-century Sons of Liberty, who drove the populist uprising against the British crown, sparked violent riots, committed serious crimes, and fought against the government"

The Tea Partiers will get what they want through the ballot box and peaceful protests as Ghandi recommended, not violence.

42 posted on 05/18/2010 2:16:04 AM PDT by Dem Guard ("We're Coming to Take You Away, Ha Ha")
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To: unkus; Jack Black; Travis McGee; metmom

Very well put.

I was part of Cynthia McKinney’s district for several years. I was redistricted out of Newt’s old GA-6th and unceremoniously dumped into Jihad Cyndy’s GA-4th. It was a sad time, to be sure.

As I liked to say, it didn’t bother me much that a Cynthia McKinney existed. What bothered me greatly was that there was a Congressional district full of people who would vote her into office over and over.

Over the long haul, as you say, it is going to take much more than just taking back a majority in Congress to set things aright, that is only the start. Education is the key, and the one ray of hope is the increase in private schools and especially home schooling. The theme I really believe in is separation of School and State. There’s a concept that really causes Liberals serious alarm.


43 posted on 05/18/2010 3:19:30 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

I’m glad I wasn’t the only one who noticed that glaring incorrect assumption.

I attended the Tea Party National Convention in Nashville this last Winter. One thing people were very keen on was *not* being a third party. People “get” the lesson of Perot.


44 posted on 05/18/2010 3:22:19 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: Kimberly GG

One of the Lefties posted that on a forum I’m on. That’s quite a collection of idiot whiners, for sure.


45 posted on 05/18/2010 3:23:39 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: stripes1776

...”The problem is not liberal elites. The problem is liberal idiots who have political power”...

Could it be that academia, especially Ivy League academia, and the leftist media are more to blame because they have thrown up the defense shield of propaganda around the usurpers of American freedom? The main tool of the liberal elites has been to infect our society with PC, which is nothing but a method to grab freedom from people and to criminalize normal behavior in the population. PC ultimately perverts and destroys.


46 posted on 05/18/2010 3:27:22 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: unkus

You post the truth. The problem is ignorance about our form of government as opposed to others. I am starting to believe that Glen Beck is a prophet. He is trying to give America a crash course which, if he can reach enough people, will be lifesaving to our way of life. He suggested recently that if each of us could reach only ten people with the truth, it could spread across the country. It is time that normal people get together in homes..Direct people to sources of good information and know how to explain to others what you believe. And, never, never support the left with your dollars if you can help it.


47 posted on 05/18/2010 3:35:47 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I didn't leave my Constitutional beliefs, they left me(or were taken away). We now live in a color coded anti-white male feminized society that has been rubber stamped by the Supreme Disappointment.

A Constitution not followed is worse than no Constitution at all because this state of affairs breeds contempt for the government in the intelligent, and a sentimental belief in the phony protections it was supposed to have in the weak minded. As such the Constitution now provides a fig leaf for the naked aggression of the socialist statist agenda.

Some men look at constitutions with sanctimonious reverence, and deem them like the ark of the covenant, too sacred to be touched.


                    -- Thomas Jefferson

48 posted on 05/18/2010 3:58:14 AM PDT by central_va ( http://www.15thvirginia.org)
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To: unkus

You are right about that. I told my friends when Clinton won a second term as president, that our country had developed a serious problem. The election of Obama proves that problem, a huge chunk of either “dumbed down” or welfare electorate.


49 posted on 05/18/2010 4:22:24 AM PDT by Quickgun (As a former fetus, I'm opposed to abortion. Mamas don't let your cowboys grow up to be babies..)
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To: unkus

Yea, that’s a good quote. I’ve read it here before but it needs to passed around far and wide.


50 posted on 05/18/2010 4:28:56 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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