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Democrats attack Rand Paul on Civil Rights, Private Businesses and the Constitution
various left wing sources | May 20, 2010 | sickoflibs

Posted on 05/20/2010 9:17:09 AM PDT by sickoflibs

Rand Paul is being attacked for his position on part of the Civil Rights act passed in 1960s and reauthorized by the Republican congress in 2006. His position is that the Federal government has no authority under the constitution to tell private business who they must have as customers. On the other hand, he agrees that the other parts of the civil rights act where the federal government tells local governments who they can’t discriminate against is perfectly constitutional. So far only leftist sources have picked this up. He was on MSNBC Maddow last night fighting off statements from her about how African Americans fought and took beatings for the right to sit a private business lunch counter. Most Republicans will run away from Paul’s position as not to be called a racist. Many will say he lost the November election over this political poison. This is something very difficult to discuss because of emotions over the issue.

His very unpopular position really does strike at the heart of the federal government’s power to run businesses, and even put personal mandates on us. Guess what? The same commerce clause that was used to defend this constitutionally will be used to force you to buy health insurance. Sorry, the courts cannot be trusted to pick only the situations we like when ignoring original intent. (Justice Scalia lecture.)

Can you decide not to rent a room in your house to a homosexual? Is that a constitutional right to say ‘no’?

Every time Republicans give in to something popular that seems the ‘right’ and 'moral' thing to do increasing federal power, they are killing their chances of opposing things they hate on constitutional grounds. Paul’s position is a political loser and may rally the democrat base to vote against him. But this is something to ponder when your next freedom is taken away and you are told by courts that it is allowed by the constitution.

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1 posted on 05/20/2010 9:17:10 AM PDT by sickoflibs
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; genetic homophobe; FromLori; Gilbo_3; ...
Saw this on MSNBC Maddow last night with poor Rand Paul being asked why he approves of discrimination and hatred. I wouldn't want to be in his shoes.
2 posted on 05/20/2010 9:20:21 AM PDT by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: bamahead; bam; Christian_Capitalist

This is your topic!


3 posted on 05/20/2010 9:21:39 AM PDT by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: sickoflibs

this can work in Paul’s favor if he plays his cards right....

American’s are sick and tired of ratwingers playing the race card, which has done nothing to further the cause of black Americans in our nation- that is the tact he should take...


4 posted on 05/20/2010 9:23:04 AM PDT by God luvs America (When the silent majority speaks the earth trembles!)
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To: sickoflibs

That’s how the liberal media bias works.

A couple months back the local news station went to the TEA Party and I thought “Oh FINALLY some coverage”

They only asked them about the idiot leftist who flew the plane into the IRS building in Austin. “Do you distance yourself from that?”

That was the only thing the media wanted to ask the TEA partiers that day. Of course this was simply meant to link them to a terrorist event in the minds of viewers and readers (Dallas paper did the exact same thing)


5 posted on 05/20/2010 9:23:42 AM PDT by GeronL (Political Correctness Kills)
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To: sickoflibs; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; genetic homophobe; ...

“...I wouldn’t want to be in his shoes....”

Ahh come on brother, why not? That would be FUN!!! You’d get a chance to get in liberal freak Madcow’s face and smack her apart with facts...

Sickolibs, you’d be PERFECT there, brother!!!! Like playing with yer food!

If Rand throws himself in the arena, he has to expect to face the lions (or the “p*ssy-cat”, in this case...couldn’t resist that...)


6 posted on 05/20/2010 9:27:11 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: sickoflibs

He’ll win the race anyway. He’s nuts, but he’ll win.


7 posted on 05/20/2010 9:27:24 AM PDT by RockinRight (I can see November from here!)
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To: sickoflibs

Did Rand really think Maddow was going to play fair?

Rand should know what shows he should be on and what shows to avoid.


8 posted on 05/20/2010 9:29:09 AM PDT by Liz (If teens can procreate in a Volkswagen, why does a spotted owl need 2000 acres? JD Hayworth)
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To: sickoflibs
Many will say he lost the November election over this political poison.

Huh?
He is going to blow the Democrat, Conway, out of the water so hard, they gotta go to Timbuctu before they can find him again. Right now, Rand Paul has about one of the biggest leads in the polls, of any congressional elections in the country.

Kentucky Senate: Paul 59%, Conway 34%
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2517442/posts

9 posted on 05/20/2010 9:33:07 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: RockinRight

RE :”He’ll win the race anyway. He’s nuts, but he’ll win.”

He could of articulated it better. I did a much better job than him, but I was not in the hotseat on camera either.

He was nuts to go on MSNBC. They believe Obama-care is a civil right. Time will tell how this all plays out.


10 posted on 05/20/2010 9:33:07 AM PDT by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: sickoflibs

I say Bring It!


11 posted on 05/20/2010 9:33:30 AM PDT by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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To: sickoflibs

While I am a conservative and not a libertarian, I do now believe in the “right to association” being that this is obviously no longer just an issue regarding racial or gender discrimination but the democrats want to now use this un-Constitutional power to force businesses to accept their perverted morality as well. The democrats seek to make it illegal to not accept the perverted behavior of people.

It is time that all conservatives make a stand for the “right to association”. The government does not own our businesses or our homes.


12 posted on 05/20/2010 9:34:11 AM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: sickoflibs
Democrats attack Rand Paul on Civil Rights, Private Businesses and the Constitution.

Smart tactics on their part. Paul, in turn, needs to keep from getting sucked into those arguements and keep hammering on the issues that got him where he is - big government, intrusive government, out-of-control spending, entitlement programs.

13 posted on 05/20/2010 9:35:54 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: sickoflibs
He was nuts to go on MSNBC

He shoulda listened to Sarah Palin, who only last week called MSNBC, “enemy territory”. It really doesn't make any sense for any GOP candidate to appear on MSNBC. First of all, their ratings suck, and second, the few people who watch MSNBC are hard line, left wing nuts who never vote for Republicans anyway. Why on earth would Paul appear on such a channel?

14 posted on 05/20/2010 9:37:12 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: SmokingJoe
You are 100% right! Especially Maddow. Her game is race baiting with Olberman. Those two are the worst.

Maddow admitted she was lesbian last night and talked about her right to marry.

15 posted on 05/20/2010 9:42:42 AM PDT by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: RockinRight

“He’ll win the race anyway. He’s nuts, but he’ll win.”

Rand Paul is not nuts. What is nuts, however, is voting for the same Republican machine, RINO candidates over and over again. Arlen Spector is now gone. He shot himself in the foot and let his true colors show. Now it’s time to get rid of some more hacks like McCain and Graham. Let’s give more Tea Party candidates and Constitutionalists like Rand Paul a chance.


16 posted on 05/20/2010 9:44:10 AM PDT by chippewaman
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To: RockinRight

Nuts? I think you are nuts for thinking he is nuts. How about that?


17 posted on 05/20/2010 9:47:19 AM PDT by Crimson Elephant
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To: chippewaman

Rand Paul is nuts when it comes to National Security with his ‘blame America’ rhetoric. Him and his father are both wrong on this issue and would be dangerous for our nation and for freedom around the world.


18 posted on 05/20/2010 9:48:13 AM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: chippewaman

If I was in his state, I would vote for Rand Paul. I think we need more courageous Republicans like him.


19 posted on 05/20/2010 9:49:19 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: TheBigIf
RE :”It is time that all conservatives make a stand for the “right to association”. The government does not own our businesses or our homes.

Rand Paul brings up a good argument to discuss. During Obama-care the term ‘constitution’ was thrown around regarding both mandates and ‘deemed passed’. They were called unconstitutional here even though there are legal precedents for both of them. I want freepers to understand how they lost their rights and freedoms, for mandated civility.

20 posted on 05/20/2010 9:49:23 AM PDT by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: sickoflibs

Memo to KY dims: Stuff it in your backside.


21 posted on 05/20/2010 9:52:14 AM PDT by Mouton
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To: PapaBear3625

“If I was in his state, I would vote for Rand Paul. I think we need more courageous Republicans like him.”

Agreed. The GOP has to be rebuilt, reshaped and redirected by fresh new faces like Rand Paul in order to remain competitive. The results of the 2009 elections and the 2010 primaries so far look promising. RINO’s and GOP establishment hacks have to go. They have already had their chance. Now it’s time for them to step aside. The next step is J.D. beating Johnny Mac in Arizona. It’s time for these dinosaurs to be voted out of office.


22 posted on 05/20/2010 9:58:40 AM PDT by chippewaman
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To: TheBigIf

Specific quotes or I’ll call you a flaming nutjob that wants to ruin the country by letting the same idiots spend and spend us into oblivion. The house is burning while everyone is worried about guarding the gates.

I haven’t heard Rand Paul say a thing that blames “America”..so why don’t you just enlighten all of us?


23 posted on 05/20/2010 10:00:30 AM PDT by Crimson Elephant
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To: TheBigIf

“Rand Paul is nuts when it comes to National Security with his ‘blame America’ rhetoric. Him and his father are both wrong on this issue and would be dangerous for our nation and for freedom around the world.”

I agree to disagree but the fact of the matter is we are BANKRUPT. We are $13 Trillion in debt. We cannot afford to be the world’s policeman and have troops in 100 nations around the world and at the same time be unwilling to defend our own southern border with Mexico. Don’t get me wrong, I am not an isolationist but why are we STILL in places like Kosovo? What are we still doing in Afghanistan? Japan? Italy? Germany? We need to get our own house in order first and stop printing money and borrowing money like there is no tomorrow.


24 posted on 05/20/2010 10:08:43 AM PDT by chippewaman
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To: Crimson Elephant

You are going to call me names? Get over yourself.

They are in our face, in our country because we are in their country.
(Rand Paul in Montana, January 29, 2009)

There have been a lot of people who have written about terrorism and the terrorists themselves will tell you why they come here. They come here because we’re over there.
(Rand Paul in Nashville, Jan. 27, 2008)

They do not attack for what we are, they attack us because we are in their countries.
(Rand Paul in Montana, January 29, 2009)

When my dad stood up to Giuliani and said that our foreign policy caused us some of what we got on 9/11, he didn’t say that it justified what those people did to us. But we have to understand that there is blowback from our foreign policy.
(Rand Paul at Western Kentucky University, April 7, 2009)

http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/05/12/rand-paul-a-jeremiah-wright-republican/

Rand Paul has the same mentality as his dad in blaming America for the terrorists and dictators of the world. Ron Paul would allow Iran to have nuclear weapons and would leave Israel hung out to dry.

Ether Paul would be dangerous for this nation and for freedom around the world with ‘blame America’ mentality and isolationist views.


25 posted on 05/20/2010 10:13:05 AM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: chippewaman

While I agree that the “machine” is a major problem, Rand’s (like his dad) foreign policy ideas are ridiculous for today’s world.

He’ll be a great counter-point to the RINOs and the Dems in the Senate, but as a President I would probably say no.


26 posted on 05/20/2010 10:15:26 AM PDT by RockinRight (I can see November from here!)
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To: chippewaman

I understand your sentiments exactly. Either Paul I would welcome their support in regards to decreasing the scope of government. I simply believe on National Security either one would be a disaster.


27 posted on 05/20/2010 10:15:30 AM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: SmokingJoe

Everywhere in the MSM (certainly including Fox!) is “enemy territory” to a conservative who rejects a world policing foreign policy. Hannity or Rush or Savage wouldn’t treat him much better. Paul needs to get used to being in the lion’s den wherever he goes.


28 posted on 05/20/2010 10:18:37 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: TheBigIf

Explain. This from his web site.

NATIONAL DEFENSE
Defending our Country is the most important function of the federal government. When we are threatened, it is the obligation of our representatives to unleash the full arsenal of power that is granted by and derived from free men and women


29 posted on 05/20/2010 10:30:30 AM PDT by UB355 (Slower traffic keep right)
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To: sickoflibs
Maddow admitted she was lesbian last night and talked about her right to marry.

Only last night?????? I'm shocked, I say... SHOCKED!!!!

30 posted on 05/20/2010 10:30:32 AM PDT by ScottinVA (RIP to the country I love...)
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To: TheBigIf

Sorry. That doesn’t fit blame “America” that fits blaming the politicians for their policies. A policy disagreement does not equal “blaming America”. I think the Federal Government is greatly wrong on many, many things, does that mean I blame America? The GOP establishment uses this line of spin to in order to continue us down the path to economic destruction. There will be nothing left to protect. Rand Paul was for the Afghanistan operation, and not Iraq. A reasonable position. In fact, George W. Bush sounded a lot like that in 2000. You can say 911 should have changed all that, but it is not unreasonable to say there are problems with US policy going back decades.


“When my dad stood up to Giuliani and said that our foreign policy caused us some of what we got on 9/11, he didn’t say that it justified what those people did to us. But we have to understand that there is blowback from our foreign policy.”
(Rand Paul at Western Kentucky University, April 7, 2009)— to deny this comment is to deny reason and refuse to engage in critical thinking. Foreign policy decisions have ramifications. The difference is that you or I or Paul or Rudy G might have a different opinion on whether it is WORTH the blowback, but to sit there and imply that all the US meddling going way back before Kissinger and especially during Kissinger’s reign doesn’t affect things is crazy. One might determine it is worth it, but let’s not pretend US policy by different administrations has always been fantastic and right and true. That just isn’t reality. It is a difference of opinion, hardly “blaming America”.

And even beyond all that, the current disaster in the Federal Government is ten times more dangerous than terrorism.

If you want to throw flames, then be prepared to take flames yourself. I think your line of thinking is very dangerous, as it leads to the same ol same ol, and the country will become a 3rd world mess hardly worth attacking.


31 posted on 05/20/2010 10:31:02 AM PDT by Crimson Elephant
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To: TheBigIf
Rand Paul has the same mentality as his dad in blaming America for the terrorists and dictators of the world. Ron Paul would allow Iran to have nuclear weapons and would leave Israel hung out to dry.

I've had misgivings about this guy; but, NONONONONO, I'm told... he's just fine!

32 posted on 05/20/2010 10:32:45 AM PDT by ScottinVA (RIP to the country I love...)
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To: Captain Kirk
Well, going on MSNBC was nuts. At least Rand Paul has realized the stupidity of his decision to appear on Rachel Madddow’s show:

Paul Calls Maddow Appearance ‘Mistake,’ Civil Rights ‘Settled’
It was a poor political decision and probably won't be happening anytime in the near future,” Paul said of the Maddow appearance:

Because, yeah, they can play things and want to say, ‘Oh you believed in beating up people that were trying to sit in restaurants in the 1960s.’ And that is such a ridiculous notion and something that no rational person is in favor of. [But] she went on and on about that.”
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZGJjMGVjZDNkOGJlNTBiYjNiMjg5NTViMmZkY2JjNDc=

I still don't get why he decided to appear on Maddow's show at all. It had zero upside, and plenty of downside, no matter how you look at it.

33 posted on 05/20/2010 10:36:59 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: sickoflibs
Maddow admitted she was lesbian last night and talked about her right to marry.

Huh?
She's been a lesbian like forever.. for as long as I have known she exists anyways.

34 posted on 05/20/2010 10:39:21 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: Bokababe

Paul ping!


35 posted on 05/20/2010 10:42:59 AM PDT by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: RockinRight

I like Rand Paul and am going to send him money.

NO MORE RINOS!!!!!!

GO PAUL FAMILY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


36 posted on 05/20/2010 10:44:00 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote
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To: God luvs America
this can work in Paul’s favor if he plays his cards right....

It sure can but only if men stand up behind him and don't run around in circles as the so called right typically does in these situations. If he is left to flap in the wind then not only will he wither but the fate of our nation will too. Just like with AZ. It is time for the right to stand up and grow balls.

37 posted on 05/20/2010 10:44:46 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: TheBigIf

HOW ABOUT THIS - if we keep following the economic policies of the RINO’s, typical GOP’ers, Bushs’, etc:

WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD A NATIONAL SECURITY!


38 posted on 05/20/2010 10:45:46 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote
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To: sickoflibs

I am so utterly sick of those defending establishment GOP candidates its not funny. What dont these fools understand that it is because of the establishment GOP that we are in the position we are in now? No more Bushs, no more McConells, no more McCains, etc.

I am 10000% behind the Paul family and will send Rand money.


39 posted on 05/20/2010 10:54:49 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote
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To: GlockThe Vote; Bokababe
RE:” I am 10000% behind the Paul family and will send Rand money.

The other side of the coin is that they (Pauls) take these positions that have may a sound fundamental basis that are so unpopular they end up backing off them like Rand did today.

He goes on Maddow who wants a government takeover of everything and who uses racism cries to get it, he goes on trying to defend the position I articulated in the thread. But MSNBC viewers have same ‘the ends justify the means’ philosophy she does. The constitution is only for terrorists or illegals (or homosexuals) to them,

He didn't seem prepared for the obvious battle of ideas and didn't discuss the ‘constitutional’ principles much if at all, or come up with really good practical drawbacks to this federal power(except the carry gun hypothetical) . Or discuss how to get from A to B. He stayed on the defensive,

He realizes now the interview was a mistake, no progress. If you go on those shows and disagree with them you must prepare for war. It bothers me because I understand the principle he was making.

He was on FNC Cavuto (my favorite show) too yesterday and had an easy time, Cavuto is not Maddow..

40 posted on 05/20/2010 11:48:50 AM PDT by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: SmokingJoe

I disagree. Paul needs to learn to handle himself. He also realize taking a position, and still self-confidently to it, is ultimately the best approach. Unfortunately, he make the mistake of wimping out on this which may prove self-defeating.


41 posted on 05/20/2010 12:15:04 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk
It's not the issue itself I am bothered about. It's the very appearance on MSNBC. Show me even one sane person on MSNBC. MSNBC is not a TV news service. It's full of lunatics like Olbermann and Matthews. It's an 0bama/Democratic propaganda outfit.
Why even appear o it?
42 posted on 05/20/2010 12:29:39 PM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: sickoflibs

“Maddow admitted she was lesbian last night”

I didn’t see that coming.


43 posted on 05/20/2010 12:36:35 PM PDT by jospehm20
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To: SmokingJoe

You’ve got a point. How many viewers do they have now? Five thousand?


44 posted on 05/20/2010 5:02:11 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: sickoflibs; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican

Rand had a point with his comments. But he really should have known better. When a conservative Republican is asked a question about the Civil Rights act, it’s a trap.


45 posted on 05/21/2010 4:17:20 PM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN | NO "INDIVIDUAL MANDATE"!!!!!!!)
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To: Impy
Too bad that Admiral Ackbar wasn't there to advise Rand Paul.


46 posted on 05/21/2010 4:23:31 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

Jarrold “the Hutt” Nadler once hired Ackbar.

Then he tried to eat him.


47 posted on 05/21/2010 4:41:57 PM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN | NO "INDIVIDUAL MANDATE"!!!!!!!)
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To: Impy; fieldmarshaldj; Clintonfatigued; Clemenza
Ack Bar

Bar Ack

That proves that Barack Obama is the anti-Admiral Ackbar, and thus can never sense a trap, which explains why he fell into the trap of pushing cap and trade and Obamacare and is now on the verge of losing both houses of Congress and Democrat control of redistricting in most states.

It is also fitting that the good Admiral tried to warn us of the trap being laid by Barack Obama in 2008:


48 posted on 05/21/2010 5:20:43 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: AuH2ORepublican; fieldmarshaldj; GOPsterinMA; DarthVader
It is so awesome that someone made that graphic.

Hopefully in 2012 Obama will be doing his impression of these guys.

49 posted on 05/23/2010 4:29:01 PM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN | NO "INDIVIDUAL MANDATE"!!!!!!!)
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To: Impy; AuH2ORepublican; fieldmarshaldj; DarthVader

The Star Wars references never get old, do they?


50 posted on 05/23/2010 4:36:46 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (I suffer from B.S. - Barack Syndrome!)
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