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The .380acp A review of Jimenez Arms and Ballistics
Bangicus ^ | june 1 2010 | PaulF

Posted on 06/01/2010 5:21:55 AM PDT by beericus

I've been shooting several compact pistols in the Jimenez Arms lineup, including the JA-380 chambered in 380 Auto, for a number of years. My interest in the pistols really blossomed when I finally got tired of waiting on non-polygonal Glock barrels for my cast bullet design work. These pistols are part of the "Ring of Fire" linage from Southern California, the Bryco-Jennings line-up, but have survived and are doing well as they cycle pistols out of the plant on the outskirts of Las Vegas. You can find a lot of negative stuff about them on-line but after approximately 10.0K rounds through the various models I think those writing the comments have never laid palm to stock. I've found the pistols dependable and accurate.

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: banglist; firearm; reviews
a good review, especially for he hot summer months.
1 posted on 06/01/2010 5:21:56 AM PDT by beericus
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To: beericus

Has Jimenez improved since changing ownership? My brother-in-law tried to pawn off a JA9 on to me and I was very hesitant to even consider it because of the reputation under the previous owner.


2 posted on 06/01/2010 5:27:16 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: beericus

Jimenez - BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

(Just be sure to wear Kevlar gloves and a full faceplate when you try to shoot it.)


3 posted on 06/01/2010 5:30:42 AM PDT by shibumi (Pablo (the Wily One) signed up for the "Hippo Attack" ping list!)
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To: shibumi

lol, the reviewer seems to think they are not so bad


4 posted on 06/01/2010 5:35:27 AM PDT by beericus (Putting the cool in conservatism, dip in the hip and a glid in the stride.)
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To: beericus

Bought one at the gun show. Some $250 less than competing .380s. Action was very stiff, but basic construction was good. Took it to my gunsmith, $40 bucks later, had an action job on it, all the burrs were gone, quick and easy magazine drop, easy chambering. Very accurate little gun. Now its my favorite conceal/carry piece.


5 posted on 06/01/2010 5:37:52 AM PDT by rstrahan
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To: beericus

I have only one .380 — an old West German Walther. Points great, comfortable, accurate. ...but reliability and trigger pull are less than adequate. Haven’t shot it in over a decade — just a collector piece now.

Heard good things about the CZ 83, but haven’t shot one. It’s pretty large for a .380 though. I’d like to get a Keltec for summer carry.


6 posted on 06/01/2010 5:38:10 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: beericus

If it’s got to be little—I’ll take the little .380 Colt.


7 posted on 06/01/2010 5:41:49 AM PDT by Flintlock
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To: beericus
Been there. Done that. Never again.

(I want to keep my fingers functional.)

If you want a good, mid-caliber, reliable and relatively inexpensive handgun, you might try one of these. I've got two and I love 'em.

Hungarian FEG PA-63, 9X18 Makarov

8 posted on 06/01/2010 5:45:27 AM PDT by shibumi (Pablo (the Wily One) signed up for the "Hippo Attack" ping list!)
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To: beericus

No way - those guns are JUNK. With all of the .380 choices out there (Taurus TCP, Keltec P3AT, Ruger LCP, Sig P238, Bersa, Diamondback, etc.) there are MANY better choices to go with. One thing people need to realize...you’re potentially betting your life on the functionality of the firearm you carry...and this isn’t the time to tell your buddies you got a carry gun for cheap. If it goes “click” when it should go bang, or if it goes “boom” when it should go bang you’ll potentially be in a world of hurt. When I’m betting my life on a piece of equipment, I want the BEST...regardless of cost.


9 posted on 06/01/2010 5:59:31 AM PDT by Cacique500
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To: Cacique500

I wouldn’t shoot one.


10 posted on 06/01/2010 6:16:33 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I’ll stick with my S&W Model 641 .357 revolver with a 2” barrel. I fired a .380 for th first time over last Thanksgiving and it was horrible compared to the Smith.


11 posted on 06/01/2010 6:45:12 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: shibumi

Love my Russian Mack in .380


12 posted on 06/01/2010 6:53:26 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: beericus

Bump for later.


13 posted on 06/01/2010 6:56:08 AM PDT by ExpatGator (I hate Illinois Nazis!)
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To: mnehring
... I was very hesitant to even consider it because of the reputation under the previous owner.

The manufacturer or your brother-in-law? :-P

(Sorry. Couldn't resist)

14 posted on 06/01/2010 6:56:09 AM PDT by uglybiker (BACON!!)
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To: Mr. Mojo

I picked up a Sig Sauer P230 in .380 about a year ago. I think I paid about $225.00 for it. Great little pistol.


15 posted on 06/01/2010 6:57:53 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: beericus

I’ve got a Ruger .380 that I just love.


16 posted on 06/01/2010 7:11:03 AM PDT by Verbosus (/* No Comment */)
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To: beericus
I saw one launch the front half of the slide downrange.

Maybe they're lots better made now, but the broken gun I saw was made of the finest faucet metal known to mankind.

These guys wouldn't even put rifling in the barrels if it wasn't a BATF requirement.

17 posted on 06/01/2010 8:27:48 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: beericus

Those look nothing like the older Jennings/Bryco I recall. Like to handle one or two.


18 posted on 06/01/2010 9:58:36 AM PDT by lrb111 (resist)
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To: beericus

I’ve got a Mauser via Interarms .380 HSc. Nice little piece. No complaints.


19 posted on 06/01/2010 10:41:01 AM PDT by Dionysius (Jingoism is no vice in these troubled times.)
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To: beericus

If you really want an inexpensive gun that is a good value and high caliber you should consider getting a CZ-82.

They’re a relatively inexpensive police surplus gun that can be had for <$200 from some suppliers. The 9x18 caliber is more powerful than the .380 and the mags hold 12 rounds. I bought a couple so I could keep one in my truck and one in the house. All in all they’re a very nice little pistol.


20 posted on 06/01/2010 11:12:20 AM PDT by Dayman (My 1919a4 is named Charlotte. When I light her up she has the voice of an angel.)
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To: Dayman

The “a high caliber” is a typo. I meant to write “high quality.” It’s that post-lunch food coma.


21 posted on 06/01/2010 11:13:30 AM PDT by Dayman (My 1919a4 is named Charlotte. When I light her up she has the voice of an angel.)
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To: Dayman
I have a couple of CZ.82s as well. Best bang for the buck in the $200 range.

Amazing they're considered C&R weapons...

22 posted on 06/01/2010 11:20:07 AM PDT by Jonah Hex ("Never underestimate the hungover side of the Force.")
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To: mnehring

That company has been thru about 30 name changes in the last few year’s Jenning’s was the last I knew of.


23 posted on 06/01/2010 11:21:53 AM PDT by Lees Swrd ("Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe and preserve order in the world as well")
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To: beericus
Just curious

Over thirty years ago, I purchased an Iver Johnson 380 Pony. Not a particularly well made pistol but adequate.

Iver Johnson was located in Jacksonville, Arkansas and went out of business. I understand they are back in business; at least the name is back.

When I was a boy Iver Johnson and Harrington & Richardson made a wide range of affordable guns. I owned an H&R 16 gauge shot gun and many of my friends had Iver Johnsons handed down from fathers and grandfathers.

Does anyone know if either of these companies is in business and is there anything positive about the Iver Johnson 380 Pony?

24 posted on 06/01/2010 12:33:37 PM PDT by MosesKnows (Love many, Trust few, and always paddle your own canoe)
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To: MosesKnows

Thats a great question, I will ask the Men.


25 posted on 06/01/2010 1:29:37 PM PDT by beericus (Putting the cool in conservatism, dip in the hip and a glid in the stride.)
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To: beericus

bump


26 posted on 06/01/2010 1:36:08 PM PDT by VOA
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To: beericus

The author lost my interest when he began his custom bullet stuff...

Sounds like he has more interet in internal ballistics than defensive gun work...

Better to have one of these I guess, when you need a firearm, than nothing at all.

My advice to the sage, learn how to carry the G36 in all Wx conditions. Just because it is “really hot” outside, doesn’t mean you run around nekkid, dress for success.


27 posted on 06/01/2010 1:46:17 PM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War" (my spelling is generally korrect!))
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To: Manly Warrior

cant please everyone. Thanks for reading.


28 posted on 06/01/2010 1:49:40 PM PDT by beericus (Putting the cool in conservatism, dip in the hip and a glid in the stride.)
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To: Manly Warrior

On that note, I love my G30... 10 rds of .45 goodness! :)


29 posted on 06/01/2010 6:22:26 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: The KG9 Kid

“Maybe they’re lots better made now ...”

They’re not. The safeties and trigger bars still slip when the grips warp, the firing pin springs are weak, and they still contain the lifetime RDA of zinc.

If you want a really cool paperweight, get a plated one for twenty bucks and take a plumber’s torch to the front of the slide. The zinc runs out and makes a puddle, but the plating retains the shape of the slide.


30 posted on 06/01/2010 6:56:16 PM PDT by sig226 (Mourn this day, the death of a great republic. March 21, 2010)
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To: MosesKnows

H&R got folded after Marlin bought them along with New England Firearms. I have a little Iver Johnson .22 pistol. The trigger is awful, but the thing is solid.


31 posted on 06/01/2010 6:58:48 PM PDT by sig226 (Mourn this day, the death of a great republic. March 21, 2010)
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To: Lees Swrd

Bryco-Jennings, Lorcin, Raven, and Davis are all gone. Bryco-Jennings was formed by Jennings’ (the Raven founder) son and Davis was formed by his son-in-law. Lorcin was a friend of Jennings’ son.

The Raven plant was destroyed by a fire. Phoenix Arms bought the patents.

Lorcin was shut down by ATF. One of the employees was making pistols and not recording the serial numbers, then stealing them and selling them in California, often by the case lot. How this could happen is beyond me. No one at Lorcin noticed that they were missing enough parts to build 2,000 guns.

Davis was sued out of businees, as was Bryco-Jennings. Both companies wer sued by the families of morons in California who put thier fingers on the triggers and were amazed that the guns fired. Cobra bought the Davis tooling. Jimenez worked for Bryco and bought the Bryco tooling.

I recently read that the kid who closed Bryco tried to get Jimenez. The little brat was shot when his friend pointed a loaded gun at him and pulled the trigger. A jury of mental midgets in California awarded $24,000,000 and ordered the patents and tooling sold to pay the debt. The little bastard is upset because someone bought all the patents and tooling to make guns and is making guns with them. He thought someone was going to buy all that stuff and dump it in the ocean.

Of course, he couldn’t spend any of his own money to do that.


32 posted on 06/01/2010 7:23:37 PM PDT by sig226 (Mourn this day, the death of a great republic. March 21, 2010)
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To: Cacique500

dead on, well said. “how much is YOUR life worth OR, a loved one’s”? that is something I heard many years ago and it still applies. do not scrimp on this. if all one can afford now....fine, but, set your course to upgrade as soon as you can with better equipment, training and classes.


33 posted on 06/01/2010 10:47:11 PM PDT by bobby.223
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To: Mr. Mojo

the CZ-83,,if its the 14 shot one that can be carried cocked and locked then it might be a cool pistol to own. I’d get a couple more high cap mags for it and keep that gun on hand for a back up to my back up.


34 posted on 06/01/2010 10:47:18 PM PDT by Armedanddangerous (Montani Semper Liberi)
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To: shibumi

Its like a Walther PP in the Makarov caliber. Id like one if it didnt have a 52LB trigger pull like the one I had years ago.


35 posted on 06/01/2010 10:48:34 PM PDT by Armedanddangerous (Montani Semper Liberi)
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To: Armedanddangerous

A $30 trip to the local gunsmith gave me a lighter trigger pull, and a heavier recoil spring (14lb vs 12lb) yeilds far less recoil.

Now it’s got the concealability, the added punch of the 9X18, and it’s easy enough to handle that my wife, who has had two hand surgeries can shoot it easily.


36 posted on 06/01/2010 10:58:46 PM PDT by shibumi (Pablo (the Wily One) signed up for the "Hippo Attack" ping list!)
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To: MosesKnows

Here is your reply:

PaulF.

June 1, 2010 @ 17:52

http://www.iverjohnsonarms.com/

“Yes, Iver Johnson is back! We are manufacturing a whole new product line.

NEW PRODUCTS AVAILABLE FOR ORDER: 1911 style 45’s in 6 differenet models. 22 Converison Kits for Series 70 & 80 1911 models.

Soon to follow will be a line of lightweight 1911 style .22’s with an aluminum slide and frame. About the same time, we will be introducting a 4 barrel Derringer in 22LR. Soon to follow we will be introducing the M1 Carbine in 30 cal. in stainless, parkerized, and blued, along with the Pony 380. Check website for availability on these items.

We do not have any parts, guns, or info related to the old Iver Johnson name. Please contact your local gun dealer for any questions related to old Iver Johhnson products. Thank you.”

http://www.hr1871.com/default.asp

H&R no longer produces sidearms, but are still very active in long guns.

Hope this info helps!
PaulF.

http://bangicus.com/2010/06/01/the-380acp-%E2%80%93-a-review-of-jimenez-arms-and-ballistics-page-2/#comments


37 posted on 06/02/2010 7:45:23 AM PDT by beericus (Putting the cool in conservatism, dip in the hip and a glid in the stride.)
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To: beericus; rktman

So—hypothetically—it one found oneself an accidental owner of a Jimenez Arms JA-380, what should one do with it?


38 posted on 07/06/2014 7:04:47 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

LOL! A local gun “buyback”? Like they ever owned it in the first place. Or get a IWB holster. ;>}


39 posted on 07/06/2014 7:12:19 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: beericus

40 posted on 07/06/2014 7:27:20 AM PDT by FXRP
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To: rktman

Assume that the current owner is legitimate. Is the gun trustworthy?


41 posted on 07/06/2014 7:28:35 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Cacique500

“The best” and “works reliably” are two completely different things. There’s no reason to spend 2 grand on a top of the line piece when a good reliable alternative is under $400.


42 posted on 07/06/2014 7:31:47 AM PDT by FXRP
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To: ShadowAce

Looking at some of the other posts, it’ kinda hard for me to say. If they were Jennings at one time, I don’t know. As far as I know (which ain’t far) they were inexpensive (cheap) sorta reliable. Would I trust my life on it? Only if I had no other choice. Trade up maybe. Colt Mustang II’s are pretty pricey these days. Maybe a nice little Ruger? I’m looking at a S&W 9mm Shield model for everyday carry right now. Just gotta decide if Momma really wants to let me trade her Walther PP22 or not. Probably better to just sell it myself and use the cash I get + a little more out of pocket. Scheels has them for around $429.00


43 posted on 07/06/2014 7:34:50 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: rktman

Yeah—those were my thoughts as well after doing a little research. I’d hate for the thing to disintegrate on the user when needed the most.


44 posted on 07/06/2014 7:38:07 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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