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To Saul Alinsky: Something You Never Thought Of

Posted on 06/05/2010 7:59:30 AM PDT by reasonisfaith

So Alinsky dedicates his book, Rules For Radicals, to Lucifer. His explanation is that Lucifer was “the first radical” and that he rebelled against the establishment. Alinsky wrote “Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins—or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom—Lucifer.”

It never ceases to amaze me. The way socialists defeat themselves again and again, due to a weakness which they are convinced is their greatest strength—the weakness of their intellect.

First of all, socialists reject absolute truth. So, if in their world nothing can really be true, they cannot use logic because logic depends on truth. And the leftists, all leftists, have denied themselves access to the rational method. I would ask—why do this to yourself?

This embrace of irrationalism seems to have fooled Alinsky, as it has most if not all leftists. But Alinsky has provided the opportunity to point out another oversight in his clever little scheme, an oversight shared by his followers. (Alinsky didn’t have the brains to realize that his socialist mind had outdone itself, as such minds always do.)

Now, Alinsky had it right. Lucifer was the first rebel known to man. But think about it—Lucifer was also the first wannabe.

That's right, the first wannabe.

I believe this realization might be salt on the wound for progressives, because I know that leftist ideology creates an underlying sense of loss of authenticity. But why keep looking the other way. Why not heal the wound?

So to leftists everywhere, including Bill Ayers, Barack Obama and George Soros: nobody is forcing you to follow the first wannabe. And nobody is forcing you to believe the Lie.


TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: alinsky; bloggersandpersonal; chat; communism; democrats; godsgravesglyphs; lucifer; obama; palin; peck; peopleofthelie; prolife; sarahpalin; saulalinsky; vanity
I don’t doubt that liberals are, to a point, well-intentioned. But somewhere in the mind of the liberal—or is it in their hearts—sits a big, ugly pile of garbage that doesn’t belong.
1 posted on 06/05/2010 7:59:30 AM PDT by reasonisfaith
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To: D-fendr

Thought you might like this.


2 posted on 06/05/2010 8:07:26 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 499 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: reasonisfaith

Alinski’s intentions were never good. The man was a greedy lying con man addicted to controlling others.


3 posted on 06/05/2010 8:07:55 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: reasonisfaith

Something else Alinsky never thought of is that God is victorious against the rebel.


4 posted on 06/05/2010 8:08:37 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: reasonisfaith

“I don’t doubt that liberals are, to a point, well-intentioned.”

Some. I’m convinced, however, that many are those with a need to ‘save the world’ in a way that exalts them and their self-defined superior knowledge. These are the ones who wind up as activists and/or politicians. They see themselves as ‘special’, and liberal activism allows them to act out how special they think they are. Others are either envious of what someone else has, or feel guilty about what they themselves have (e.g. Bill Gates and much of Hollywood). Some are just selfish union members who want to vote themselves pay raises.


5 posted on 06/05/2010 8:09:47 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: reasonisfaith

“People of the Lie: Insight for Traders
Many wise traders look deep. They know to understand human psychology is the bedrock of good living and ultimately success. The book People of the Lie by Scott Peck offers food for thought:

“The central defect of ‘the evil’ is not the sin but the refusal to acknowledge it. More often than not these people will be looked at as solid citizens. How can that be? How can they be evil and not designated as criminals? The key word is designated. They are criminals in that they commit crimes against life and liveliness...their crimes are so subtle and covert that they cannot clearly be designated as crimes. The theme of hiding and covertness will occur again and again throughout the rest of this book. It is the basis for the title People of the Lie.”

“Evil deeds do not make an evil person. Otherwise we would all be evil. If evil people cannot be defined by the illegality of their deeds or the magnitude of their sins, then how are we to define them? The answer is by the consistency of their sins. While usually subtle, their destructiveness is remarkably consistent. This is because those who have crossed over the line are characterized by their absolute refusal to tolerate the sense of their own sinfulness.”

http://www.turtletrader.com/people-of-the-lie.html

“Studies from the book, “People of the Lie,” by M. Scott Peck
To better understand evil, it is worthwhile to consider the conclusions of scholars, such as M. Scott Peck, Erich Fromm, Martin Buber and others who devoted a good part of their lives to the study of the nature of the workings of the minds of evil people. Although many thinkers, ethicists, theologians and behavioral scientists have written volumes on the subject and many of those have influenced my thinking, I gained my clearest perspective after reading Peck’s book, “People of the Lie.” M. Scott Peck was the noted psychiatrist, who also wrote “The Road Less Traveled,” one of the best selling books of all time. Therefore, many of the observations and conclusions which follow are taken either directly from his writings or are paraphrasings (so much so that this would really be considered a book review rather than an original discussion). For me to claim (or allude to) them as my own would be plagiarism and therefore I give full attribution to Dr. Peck for the excellent work he did in his analysis of the nature of evil.”

http://samredman.com/peopleofthelie/

“People of the Lie: The Hope for Healing Human Evil (Paperback)
~ M. Scott Peck

http://www.amazon.com/People-Lie-Hope-Healing-Human/dp/0671528165?tag=dogpile-20


6 posted on 06/05/2010 8:11:25 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spirito Sancto.)
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To: reasonisfaith

Alinsky was not only a socialist, he was and educated (controlled), degreed sociologist.


7 posted on 06/05/2010 8:12:52 AM PDT by gunnyg (Surrounded By The Enemy Within--~ Our "Novembers" Are Behind Us...If Ya Can Grok That!)
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To: cripplecreek

Funny how democrats never really seem to own up to the fact that Alinsky was mentored by Al Capone’s hit man, Frank Nitti, and their party is now guided by the rulebook Alinsky later came up with.


8 posted on 06/05/2010 8:13:03 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (Socialist don't know how to explain the alleged benefits of socialism, even to themselves)
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To: AD from SpringBay

It seems he missed that most important point.


9 posted on 06/05/2010 8:16:06 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (Socialist don't know how to explain the alleged benefits of socialism, even to themselves)
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To: reasonisfaith
One point I would like to bring up is Lucifer, by all characterizations is also the Father of Lies, and a deceiver. Alinksy may have dedicated a book to him; however, one huge oversight or misstep is that Lucifer is not on his side and would expend Alinsky when needed, by any means necessary.

This reinforces the poster's original argument, a leftist's mind where absolutes (moral or otherwise) don't exist, your feet are planted firmly in mid-air. And by all intents and purposes, your life is lived for you and you alone. The lust for power and control is exacerbated by those who have no moral guidance.

10 posted on 06/05/2010 8:16:35 AM PDT by erikm88
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To: reasonisfaith

The 72 Payboy interview with Alinsky shows what manipulative con man he was.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2489630/posts

“ALINSKY: .... I moved over to the table next to the cashier, exchanged a few words with her and then finished my coffee and got up to pay. “Gee, I’m sorry,” I said, “I seem to have lost my check.” She’d seen that all I had was a cup of coffee, so she just said, “That’s OK, that’ll be a nickel.” So I paid and left with my original nickel check still in my pocket and walked a few blocks to the next cafeteria in the same chain and ordered a big meal for a buck forty-five — and, believe me, in those days, for a buck forty-five I could have practically bought the [expletive deleted by mod] joint. I ate in a corner far away from the cashier, then switched checks and paid my nickel bill from the other place and left. So my eating troubles were taken care of.”


11 posted on 06/05/2010 8:16:47 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: gunnyg

http://gunnyg.wordpress.com/2009/02/04/and-just-where-did-sociology-come-from/

http://gunnyg.wordpress.com/2009/04/29/pseudo-sciences-sociology-and-psychology/

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12 posted on 06/05/2010 8:17:28 AM PDT by gunnyg (Surrounded By The Enemy Within--~ Our "Novembers" Are Behind Us...If Ya Can Grok That!)
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To: reasonisfaith
Well-intentioned is not the same thing as well-thought-out, and the fact of the matter is, liberals are simply incapable of rational thought. As the old saying goes, the road to H*ll is paved with good intentions.


13 posted on 06/05/2010 8:19:02 AM PDT by Oceander (The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance -- Thos. Jefferson)
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To: reasonisfaith

Wasn’t Prometheus the first radical?


14 posted on 06/05/2010 8:20:05 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: reasonisfaith
I haven't actually read the book, but from what I hear and the results I see, Alinsky was ever-bit the con man he trained obama to be, then some.

He taught people how to lie, swindle, backstab, and assination of character to get their way.

His techniques are not unheard of...I have a three-year old nephew who occasionally pitches tantrums and uses the exact, same techniques.

It all depends on how strong the parents (conservatives) are as to whether the brats (progressives) will be controlled, or just fed a steady diet of tranquilizers between elections.

This current occupier of the oval office cannot take a dump without consulting Alinsky. He's a southside con man who thinks he found a gimmick to getting through life without actually having to work. He's trying to mouth his way to posterity and fortune, but his kingdom is flailing.

The only reason that barack obama has made it as far as he has in destroying America, is because SOMEONE LETS HIM.

We have most of the asylums' inmates serving in congress, so they are no going to contain the crazy guy...they are on board with him.

America will fall unless some people start standing up to these clowns, take their Alinsky "bible" and stick it up their ----- and let the adults take charge.

We are letting the very thing that wounded us on 9/11, finish the job with the muslim-in-chief...and no one is raising a finger...except their middle ones when we try to stop it.

It may come to the SEIU soloution - reversed - the persuasion of power may have to be brought to bare to stem this fall of the USA.

Of the many wars we have fought to keep our freedom, all the people who have died...it will be a damn shame to be taken down by a skinny black guy who is probably not even eligible to be president...it will be laughable to the rest of the world as we crumble.
15 posted on 06/05/2010 8:24:07 AM PDT by FrankR (Standing against tyranny must start somewhere, or the future belongs to the tyrants.)
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To: combat_boots
Of course, Peck is writing about NPD, and malignant Narcissism.
I liked his book, but Peck does have some passages which seem a bit elitist, to me.
16 posted on 06/05/2010 8:25:27 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: cripplecreek

Not just a con man .....but an admitted thief. Really proud of himself too..


17 posted on 06/05/2010 8:26:47 AM PDT by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: aruanan

I think Alinsky’s little part about not knowing where history ends and mythology begins was just his way of trying to have it both ways. If he admitted to believing in the story of Lucifer, he would be essentially admitting to being to some extent a Satanist. In so admitting, he would be rejecting the religion of scientific materialism which is central to cultural Marxism.

But at the same time he clearly had an inclination toward Lucifer.


18 posted on 06/05/2010 8:29:43 AM PDT by reasonisfaith ("Ye shall know them by their fruits." (Matthew 7:16))
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To: reasonisfaith
You hit the nail on the head!

Leftists/Liberals (Mohammedans also) are purely Luciferian, even when they don't know it or admit it to themselves.

They, too, want their own kingdom, but since earning it would require them to be productive (and that would require obedience to the Truth), they must stoop to stealing it from someone else.

Also, note that Alinsky mentioned that Lucifer won his own kingdom (and he did)...it's just that his kingdom is most notable for its conspicuous lack of God and Truth in any shape, form, or spirit—and that is pure hell!

19 posted on 06/05/2010 8:30:05 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies (Did you plug the hole yet, Daddy?)
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To: LaineyDee

I can forgive a man who does wrong due to an inability to control himself or doesn’t understand the difference.

Alinky was a man who deliberately did things he knew was wrong and then came up with schemes to convince others to do wrong as well.

I put men like George Soros, Maurice Strong, Rahm Emanuel, and Obama in the latter category.


20 posted on 06/05/2010 8:38:43 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: reasonisfaith

Sick summobeech.. his disciples too..


21 posted on 06/05/2010 8:38:47 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Chuck DeVore - CA Senator. Believe.)
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To: reasonisfaith
But at the same time he clearly had an inclination toward Lucifer.

It seems that Prometheus's motivation was to help man and that Lucifer's motivation was to cast down God.
22 posted on 06/05/2010 8:50:32 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Kansas58
More than just NPD.

There are evil people (by Peck's definition) who do not have NPD. Evil seems to grow anywhere people, for whatever reason, refuse to examine their motives, actions, and thought against a backdrop of Truth.

I know some Liberals who are on the path to evil only because they consider truth relative and, as such, deem any evaluation of themselves against standards of "truth" unnecessary. They not necessarily narcissistic but might consider sexual freedom or cheating on an exam or shoplifting OK ...and this is the beginning of evil.

I think people who are involved in witchcraft and sorcery are opening themselves up to evil...but whether they have NPD is unrelated to that activity.

Also, his chapter on demonic possession ("Danger--High Voltage) was unrelated to NPD.

My experience is that evil depends on how a person reacts to the inevitable injury that life inflicts of the human spirit.

Some people grow in character, some people simply become angry and diminish in spirit.

23 posted on 06/05/2010 8:53:38 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies (Did you plug the hole yet, Daddy?)
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To: reasonisfaith
Alinsky’s little part about not knowing where history ends and mythology begins

I think that was Alinsky's coded way of saying that Lucifer is real!

Just as Yeshua doesn't want to be denied, neither does Lucifer. Both require an oath of allegiance.

That's how humans commit themselves and their spirits in just about everything they do.

24 posted on 06/05/2010 9:00:58 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies (Did you plug the hole yet, Daddy?)
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To: cripplecreek

I can’t look at any of those individuals and deny the existence of evil in this world. Their common belief that the rest of us are stupid or inferior.... will be their undoing...


25 posted on 06/05/2010 9:03:32 AM PDT by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: FrankR
He taught people how to lie, swindle, backstab, and assination of character to get their way.

In other words, Alinsky believed the end justifies the means.

26 posted on 06/05/2010 9:24:42 AM PDT by Lou L (The Senate without a fillibuster is just a 100-member version of the House.)
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To: Lou L

In other words, Alinsky plagiarized from Machiavelli.


27 posted on 06/05/2010 9:28:51 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: erikm88

This explains the left’s absolute hatred of Sarah. Her firmly planted feet are a terrible threat to those for whom truth is a mortal threat.


28 posted on 06/05/2010 9:40:35 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (He is the son of soulless slavers, not the son of soulful slaves.)
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To: reasonisfaith; rebuildus

That is a great point... thanks


29 posted on 06/05/2010 9:40:54 AM PDT by abigail2
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To: reasonisfaith

Wasn’t Lucifer’s greatest sin, his motivation, a narcissistic jealousy? He wasn’t rebelling because of any wrongs committed against him or other angels. There was no oppression, prejudice or other suffering imposed on him or anyone else. Everything was perfect. His sole complaint was that he couldn’t take credit for that perfection. So Lucifer was the rebel whose cause was jealousy the most ignoble cause of all. Fits communists/Progressives like Barry0 to a T.


30 posted on 06/05/2010 10:22:21 AM PDT by TigersEye ("Flotilla" means "pirate ships running supplies to terrorists.")
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To: SonOfDarkSkies

“Lucifer is real!”

Having seen the evil in men’s eyes and the spirit of the snake crawling through a man, as well as Christ in someone’s eyes, I’d say yes.

Like the movie, “Constantine,” it’s really too bad that some people don’t believe in the Devil because he does believe in them. The 20th century, as in “The Devil’s Advocate,” was almost entirely his. The 21st is falling into the hell hole unless you are protected by The Most High. This is shaping up to be the whirlwind reaped by transgressors.


31 posted on 06/05/2010 12:57:39 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spirito Sancto.)
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To: combat_boots
Yep! He is real!

And his public persona is visible for all to see in Obama! Smooth as silk (as long as he has his teleprompter) with ideas straight from the pits of hell!

Obama ain't "No Drama Obama" fo' nuttin'! It's hard for a reptile to work up emotions (no insult to real reptiles intended). He has no humanity from which to draw emotions!

I'm not saying I have absolutely concluded Obama is the Spawn of Lucifer, but every week there is more evidence in favor of—and none yet opposed.

32 posted on 06/05/2010 2:14:57 PM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies (Did you plug the hole yet, Daddy?)
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To: reasonisfaith

This isn’t a Gods, Graves, Glyphs topic.


33 posted on 06/05/2010 9:52:06 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: reasonisfaith
What makes me particularly upset is the fact people like Saul Alinsky, Richard Cloward and France Fox Piven have never seen what happens Leftist ideas run amok. Have they seen what Stalin did to the Soviet Union, maybe killing around 70 MILLION Soviet citizens from purges, labor camps and deliberate starvation between 1928 and 1953, and what Mao Zedeng did to China, maybe killing somewhere between 70 to 100 MILLION Chinese citizens from labor camps, mass shootings and misguided policies between 1949 and 1976?

I for one saw saw a child in Hong Kong almost first hand the effects of the Cultural Revolution in China, with my mom knowing first hand people who escaped to Hong Kong between 1966 and 1970 at great risk to their lives. This is why I am so dead-set against the policies of Prsident Obama.

34 posted on 06/06/2010 1:39:01 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: reasonisfaith
I think Obama is the ULTIMATE wannabe.

Which explains why he fits in so well with the other losers.

You might enjoy this vanity.

Cheers!

35 posted on 06/08/2010 4:12:47 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers

Thanks.


36 posted on 06/08/2010 5:47:11 PM PDT by reasonisfaith ("Ye shall know them by their fruits." (Matthew 7:16))
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