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Cancer vs Jesus
TheCypressTimes.com ^ | 06/18/2010 | Wesley Wilson, Age 12

Posted on 06/18/2010 6:59:20 PM PDT by Patriot1259

By Wesley Wilson, Age 12

Let's face it. We all hate cancer. But when you read John 14:6, "I am the way, the truth and the life," that gives us something to think about.

Jesus' way is the only way. You won't be misled.

Jesus' truth is the only truth you can always depend on in good times and bad.

And the most important, The Life is the only thing we live for. Some people say there's no cure for cancer. Jesus is the only cure for cancer.

And that's the truth.

Editor's Note: Wesley is my son, and he's writing this about his daddy who has gone to at-home hospice this week.

(Excerpt) Read more at thecypresstimes.com ...


TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Religion
KEYWORDS: cancer; death; healing; jesuschrist
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1 posted on 06/18/2010 6:59:20 PM PDT by Patriot1259
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To: Patriot1259

As the creator of all things, why do you think God decided to create cancer? Why didn’t He create humans so that they can live disease free, or even grow new limbs?


2 posted on 06/18/2010 7:12:04 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: stuartcr

To answer you question, He probably did. The Creation was corrupted by sin.


3 posted on 06/18/2010 7:32:31 PM PDT by rsobin
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To: Patriot1259

I had cancer. I had cancer surgery, and have been cancer-free ever since. Going through that has been one of the best things that’s ever happened to me. I thank the Lord for my cancer.


4 posted on 06/18/2010 7:36:22 PM PDT by Theo (May Rome decrease and Christ increase.)
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To: Patriot1259

That’s a very nice letter. Cancer, as with all tough battles, brings one so close to Christ they can hear Him breathing on the Cross. Amd that’s when one gets to really become good buddies with Jesus, and when one (if they eventually accept their plight with joy and Love) can become “healed” as well.


5 posted on 06/18/2010 7:38:04 PM PDT by mlizzy
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To: stuartcr
He did create perfect human beings, and asked those humans to walk with him in harmony forever. However, the humans (the first Adam) chose not to trust Him, bringing about a curse on all humanity and the earth (which includes disease).

The good news is that He is compassionate and patient with us - enough to provide a way back to harmony with God. That Way is His only begotten Son - the last Adam, who lived the perfect life (that we couldn't live) in our place. And, since the wages of sin is death, His Son died in our place - once for all time, that believers might live forever with our Creator.

6 posted on 06/18/2010 7:41:50 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Theo

That is exactly my story too.

It brought me closer to God, closer to my family, adjusted my priorities. I have more peace now. It was one of the best things to ever happen to me. :-)


7 posted on 06/18/2010 7:50:32 PM PDT by alnick
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To: stuartcr

Sickness and death entered the world when Adam fell.


8 posted on 06/18/2010 7:54:51 PM PDT by Persevero (Replace Howard Dean with Alvin Greene! And name Alvin Man of the Year!)
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To: Patriot1259

Please understand that the article above was written by a 12 year old who has a father in hospice care because of cancer.


9 posted on 06/18/2010 7:57:21 PM PDT by freemama
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To: Patriot1259

Wesley and family, I pray that you will know that Jesus, while on the cross, took upon himself all the misery and suffering that your father/husband is going through.

Prayers it is God’s will for healing for Wesley’s dad, if not, then for the ultimate healing.

Hugs.


10 posted on 06/18/2010 8:39:48 PM PDT by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: rsobin

Didn’t God know that was going to happen?


11 posted on 06/18/2010 8:42:41 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: anniegetyourgun

Doesn’t He know, prior to creating them, what they will do in life?


12 posted on 06/18/2010 8:44:46 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: Persevero

And God knew this would happen, that Adam would fall, didn’t He?


13 posted on 06/18/2010 8:45:30 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: stuartcr

Yes, God knew it would happen.

You are tapping on the window of “the problem of evil.” There have been countless sermons, Bible studies, and books on the subject.

God can stop evil. Why doesn’t He? God could have prevented the Fall. Why didn’t He?

There is probably not enough bandwidth on FR for me to address the topic, but it is addressed to a large degree in Romans chapter 9.

I will conclude by saying that while God did not prevent all evil, He prevents a whole lot of it. Also, He provided a way out at immeasurable personal price.

I recommend an inexpensive book. “God and Evil, the Problem Solved” by Gordon H. Clark. It is about five bucks and is an in depth, biblical examination of the question.


14 posted on 06/18/2010 11:15:16 PM PDT by Persevero (Replace Howard Dean with Alvin Greene! And name Alvin Man of the Year!)
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To: Theo

But are you thanking the Lord for others’ cancer too?


15 posted on 06/18/2010 11:17:47 PM PDT by krb (Obama is a miserable failure.)
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To: stuartcr

“Didn’t God know that was going to happen?”
Peering through a dark smoky glass it is hard for me to say “what God knows”.


16 posted on 06/19/2010 4:17:26 AM PDT by rsobin
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To: stuartcr

He is omniscient, and didn’t choose to create robots. See Persevero response - it’s a good one.

You’ll find it’s really all about trust....trusting the most (and only) trustable One in the universe. When we decide our plan would have been better, we make of ourselves a god. That god is too small & insufficient.


17 posted on 06/19/2010 6:19:52 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Persevero

How is it, that you KNOW these things things about God?


18 posted on 06/19/2010 8:27:05 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: rsobin

Then how is it that you can know that creation was corrupted by sin?


19 posted on 06/19/2010 8:29:42 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: anniegetyourgun

So if God is omniscient, and God cannot be wrong...how can something He knows will happen, not happen?


20 posted on 06/19/2010 8:33:35 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: stuartcr

Your question makes no sense to me...sorry. He knows all & owns all. He will redeem that which the Usuper has temporarily stolen away - His Bride & the earth.


21 posted on 06/19/2010 9:20:43 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: anniegetyourgun

Pretty simple really...If God knows something will happen, does it have to happen?

How does that question not make sense? Seems like a yes or no thing.


22 posted on 06/19/2010 9:42:06 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: stuartcr

Only by faith that the Bible is God’s word,stating that creation groans in agony for deliverance . Romans I think. Faith you have it or you do not. I can know the answer of your question through faith.


23 posted on 06/19/2010 9:42:20 AM PDT by rsobin
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To: rsobin

What about people of other faiths? How is the validity of on’e faith determined?


24 posted on 06/19/2010 9:44:25 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: krb

No, of course not.

The weird thing is that maladies such as cancer are the terrible result of the Fall. But God can use them for His benefit and ours.


25 posted on 06/19/2010 10:24:27 AM PDT by Theo (May Rome decrease and Christ increase.)
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To: stuartcr

Yes, if God knows something will happen, then it will happen.


26 posted on 06/19/2010 10:27:53 AM PDT by Theo (May Rome decrease and Christ increase.)
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To: stuartcr

What do you mean by “the validity of one’s faith”? Everyone has faith, in different things and people. Only faith in the Savior is efficacious.


27 posted on 06/19/2010 10:29:00 AM PDT by Theo (May Rome decrease and Christ increase.)
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To: stuartcr

Are you asking if God could be made a liar? What He has proclaimed will be. He knows all that is past, present, and future.

Are you asking if man can prevail upon Him to change His mind? There is some suggestion of that in the scriptures, yet He always knows what He is doing.

Example: Satan has set his will against God & will ultimately be dispatched to the Lake of Fire, which burns eternally. So, if I pray that Satan will repent, be reconciled to God, and return to heaven, will it happen? No, because that would make the Word of God untrue. And, God is Truth.


28 posted on 06/19/2010 10:59:51 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: stuartcr

“How is it, that you KNOW these things things about God?”

God reveals Himself and His will not just to me, but to you and everyone else as well, through his Bible.

That is what the purpose of the Bible is.


29 posted on 06/19/2010 12:02:38 PM PDT by Persevero (Replace Howard Dean with Alvin Greene! And name Alvin Man of the Year!)
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To: Persevero

I think the answer is rather simple. Free will and the ability to choose good cannot occur unless the opposite of those things exists and can be understood.

There is no happiness without sadness.
No health without disease.
No compassion without suffering.
Me mercy without justice.
No love without hate.
No life without death.


30 posted on 06/19/2010 3:08:22 PM PDT by ShandaLear (The price of Obamacare? 30 pieces of silver.)
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To: ShandaLear

I disagree with the premise of your post.

I believe there is indeed happiness without sadness. At least ultimately, in heaven. There is no sorrow there. Yet everyone is joyful.

If, by your statements, you mean to say that bad things are definitely going to happen in this world, then yes, I agree.

I like to see laws that minimize risks to others, without making life so risk-free as to be unliveable.

As an example, we require hotels have guards on their windows so that kids and stumblers don’t fall out.

But we don’t forbid them to have windows at all, nor do we require them to check them every hour on the hour.

There is a middle ground, and I think I am advocating that.


31 posted on 06/19/2010 4:02:38 PM PDT by Persevero (Replace Howard Dean with Alvin Greene! And name Alvin Man of the Year!)
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To: ShandaLear

Actually my reply wandered off into a tangent, sorry. Wish we had the ability to delete our own posts. I’d have liked to clean my reply up somewhat.


32 posted on 06/19/2010 4:03:51 PM PDT by Persevero (Replace Howard Dean with Alvin Greene! And name Alvin Man of the Year!)
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To: Theo

OK, I see. Thanks


33 posted on 06/19/2010 9:01:11 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: anniegetyourgun

No, I’m not asking if God can be made a liar and no, I’m not asking if man can prevail upon Him to change His mind.

I’m suggesting that if God knows what someone will do, and what God knows will happen, must happen...then where is the free-will choice?

For an example, God knew Jeffrey Dahmer was going to commit horrible crimes before Dahmer was even born. This we’ve established. How then, could Dahmer NOT commit those crimes? Why would God create horrible people and innocent victims, knowing what will happen?


34 posted on 06/19/2010 9:07:18 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: Persevero

What about non-Christians? Why does God create them? He knows what their choices are going to be. He even knows that they will be non-Christian, before He creates them.


35 posted on 06/19/2010 9:09:40 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: stuartcr

Felix culpa. Google it.


36 posted on 06/19/2010 9:14:01 PM PDT by murphE ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." - GK Chesterton)
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To: Patriot1259

Wesley, I pray for a miracle for your Daddy.

I know when hospice care is called in, people think the worst is on its way. I hope you can sit with your Dad and he can express to you what are his most important dreams for you, and what his desires are for you in terms of your behavior and life journey. If your Dad goes to G-d before you grow up, I know you will be wanting to achieve some things for him, or be some way because he dreamed it. You will wish to know what he most wanted for you.

How I hope your Dad can receive a miraculous recovery. I will be praying.


37 posted on 06/19/2010 9:15:42 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: stuartcr
Doesn’t He know, prior to creating them, what they will do in life?

NO, if He had known the devil was going to rebel then He would not have set Lucifer as the anointed cherub that covereth; Oh and this did not happen in this flesh age. But is the reason why we have this flesh age.

We are not told when our soul and spirit intellect were created, and when the Adam was formed he was not alive until the breath of life was breathed into his nostrils. Breath of life means soul.... and we are told that when our flesh dies the soul/spirit returns to the Maker that sent it.

And Paul writes that before ever doing good or evil Jacob He loved and Esau He hated... That simply is NOT possible to hate someone you do not even know, most especially a babe not yet born in the flesh. Romans 9:11-16

38 posted on 06/19/2010 9:27:16 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: murphE

I did...??? I don’t see how cancer can be considered fortunate, except to those that have survived. Certainly not to those that haven’t survived, currently have it, or their families. I think if you were so callous as to poll those poor people in chemo wards, sitting there for hours with that poison dripping in them, day after day, or to a terminal ward, you would be very hard pressed to find anyone that was thankful for having cancer.


39 posted on 06/19/2010 9:29:59 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: Just mythoughts

OK, many here seem to disagree. Thanks for the answer.


40 posted on 06/19/2010 9:31:28 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: stuartcr
I wasn't talking about cancer in my answer, I was responding to what you said in that particular post. And if you googled that phrase, and read the theology about it, it would have taken you much longer. But since you mention cancer, and say how can it be fortunate?...all is gift, good, bad, sickness, suffering, happiness, contentment. God has a reason for allowing the things He allows to happen. And no, He doesn't explain everything because we're too stupid. Who is like unto God?
41 posted on 06/19/2010 9:41:29 PM PDT by murphE ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." - GK Chesterton)
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To: stuartcr

“What about non-Christians? Why does God create them? He knows what their choices are going to be. He even knows that they will be non-Christian, before He creates them.”

As it is written, “Jacob have I loved, but Esau I have hated.”

What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! For He says to Moses:

“I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.”

So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy.

For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.”

Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom he wills He hardens.

You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?”

But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?”

Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?

(All of the above except your question is Romans 9:13-21)


42 posted on 06/19/2010 10:28:53 PM PDT by Persevero (Replace Howard Dean with Alvin Greene! And name Alvin Man of the Year!)
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To: stuartcr
Try rereading the Bible. Pay particular attention to the parts that talk about that “fall of creation through man’s rebellion” thingy.
43 posted on 06/19/2010 10:31:25 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear (Does not play well with others.)
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To: stuartcr; anniegetyourgun
Doesn’t He know, prior to creating them, what they will do in life?

Yes Stuart. God knew before the dawn of time that you would be exceptionally annoying. Still he let you live. The most likely reason for this is he wanted FReepers to grow in patience.

44 posted on 06/19/2010 10:33:32 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear (Does not play well with others.)
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To: murphE

Yes I read about the ‘fortunate fall’. If no one is like unto God, then how can you know that all is a gift?


45 posted on 06/19/2010 10:37:44 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: Persevero

Was all that an answer?


46 posted on 06/19/2010 10:39:19 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: Patriot1259; All; Quix
Be fully aware of the fact that no matter how you row, row, row your physical boat, this life is but a dream.

This ain't reality, friends. We all wake up to reality eventually. Usually after about 80 years of this hilarious, terrible dream.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

47 posted on 06/19/2010 10:39:36 PM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: Grizzled Bear

I’m asking these questions outside the context of the bible. If I wanted scriptural answers, I would read scripture. I’m asking in the hopes that some will answer without referencing scripture.


48 posted on 06/19/2010 10:41:41 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: stuartcr

Yes, you asked why God created non-Christians.

I thought that portion of Romans 9 addressed that question pretty well.


49 posted on 06/19/2010 10:41:54 PM PDT by Persevero (Replace Howard Dean with Alvin Greene! And name Alvin Man of the Year!)
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To: Grizzled Bear

Nice, but if ya can’t or don’t want to answer, at least say so.


50 posted on 06/19/2010 10:43:08 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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