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Cancer vs Jesus
TheCypressTimes.com ^ | 06/18/2010 | Wesley Wilson, Age 12

Posted on 06/18/2010 6:59:20 PM PDT by Patriot1259

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To: stuartcr

I did answer the question. You just chose not to accept the answer. Of course, God knew you wouldn’t.


51 posted on 06/19/2010 10:45:15 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear (Does not play well with others.)
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To: stuartcr

God created man and woman on Earth. Satan was cast to the Earth. Do you need more?


52 posted on 06/19/2010 10:49:28 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Persevero

As a non-blical person, could you just explain in simple lay terms what it meant with relation to why God created non-Christians and how He expects the bible to influence those that He knows don’t give it credence.


53 posted on 06/19/2010 10:58:16 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: Grizzled Bear

Then if God know someone will do something, is it possible for them to not do it? Could you make it a simple yes or no?


54 posted on 06/19/2010 11:00:54 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: The Comedian

INDEED! INDEED.

WELL PUT.

LUBIG BRO


55 posted on 06/19/2010 11:02:23 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: eyedigress

Yeah, why did God create satan, only to throw him to the earth? Especially whe He knew what was going to be the result.


56 posted on 06/19/2010 11:02:46 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: stuartcr

???? Satan was an angel of God. The powers there are unknown. Obviously big enough for us to be discussing it now.


57 posted on 06/19/2010 11:05:55 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: The Comedian

Which pretty much means that whatever we believe, may or may not be true, so it don’t really matter, ‘cause God already knows what’s going to happen.

If that doesn’t sound pre-destined, what dos?


58 posted on 06/19/2010 11:05:55 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: stuartcr

A MORE EXCELLENT WAY . . . now with DVD documents root sources of a long list of cancers and other deadly diseases.

The website is

http://www.beinhealth.com

However, you are asking about CREATOR . . .

basically . . . doing things contrary to the manual on human beings . . . results in very broken human beings.

Let’s say you’re CEO of a company.

You take great pains to issue a policy manual, vision statement etc.

And every time you wander about, you find supervisors, managers, foreman doing more or less the opposite of your policy manual and SOP’s.

How would you feel? What would you do with such sabotaging of your company’s functioning?


59 posted on 06/19/2010 11:06:02 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: eyedigress

Right, God knew what satan was going to do before He created him...yet He still created him...essentially condoning everything that He knew satan was going to do. What’s up with that?


60 posted on 06/19/2010 11:09:43 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: stuartcr

“As a non-blical person, could you just explain in simple lay terms what it meant with relation to why God created non-Christians and how He expects the bible to influence those that He knows don’t give it credence.”

God is the potter, we are the clay. He creates some of us for honor, some for dishonor. He, for example, hardened Pharoah’s heart. It says so in the book of Exodus, repeatedly: “And God hardened Pharoah’s heart.”

If we wish to complain against that, he asks us, who are we to complain against Him? Does the clay pot say to the potter, what are you doing? No. He does not have standing. God is sovereign.

Now, Romans 9 is not the whole Bible. God did indeed send His son to atone for our sins, and He did. The offer of salvation is indeed made to all of us.

Yet, God remains sovereign. He knows who will trust in Christ and who will not. The free offer of the gospel does not deny this truth.

It is hard for mankind to accept the sovereignty of God. We like to be in charge. But we are not.


61 posted on 06/19/2010 11:11:32 PM PDT by Persevero (Replace Howard Dean with Alvin Greene! And name Alvin Man of the Year!)
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To: stuartcr

How did God know what Satan was going to do?


62 posted on 06/19/2010 11:13:22 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Quix

Except that as God and not as a human manager, you knew what they were going to do, prior to creating them. You also cannot be wrong, so what you know someone will do, they must do. It just boils down to God being responsible for all things, good and bad, but we don’t want to hear that.


63 posted on 06/19/2010 11:14:09 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: eyedigress

As many here believe, God knows the future.


64 posted on 06/19/2010 11:15:29 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: stuartcr; Quix
Which pretty much means that whatever we believe, may or may not be true, so it don’t really matter, ‘cause God already knows what’s going to happen.

One's belief never alters facts. The best one can hope for is to alter one's beliefs to conform to extra-dimensional Will

I may believe that flapping my arms rapidly might get me to Malaysia. My flight path, however, will be unaltered, and disappointing.

Free will is real. Perception of its effects within constraints of 4th dimensional physical reality, however, remains pale in comparison to His N-dimensional perspective.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

65 posted on 06/19/2010 11:19:35 PM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: stuartcr

Have you ever heard or understood the passages of the Garden? It would seem as though you are an atheist that is simply here to say you are here, just to dry up in the breeze. If that is your case, say it.


66 posted on 06/19/2010 11:20:13 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Persevero

So if God creates some for honor and some for dishonor, where is that dis-honorable persons ability to choose to be honorable? Does that choice exist for that person?


67 posted on 06/19/2010 11:21:03 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: stuartcr

God knows the outcome. The future is a human term


68 posted on 06/19/2010 11:22:05 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: The Comedian

I agree one’s beliefs doesn’t alter facts, that’s why I said it doesn’t matter what we believe.

The concept of free will is real, but the act itself is not provable. After the fact, no one has any way of proving they could have done otherwise, just a belief they could have.


69 posted on 06/19/2010 11:25:51 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: eyedigress

Nope, I’m about as far from being an atheist as one can be. My comments over the last 10 or so years easily show that.


70 posted on 06/19/2010 11:28:02 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: stuartcr
The concept of free will is real, but the act itself is not provable. After the fact, no one has any way of proving they could have done otherwise, just a belief they could have.

You are correct.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

71 posted on 06/19/2010 11:29:16 PM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: eyedigress

God knows the outcome and man’s future actions are a direct result of that knowledge.


72 posted on 06/19/2010 11:29:47 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: The Comedian

Yes


73 posted on 06/19/2010 11:31:42 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: stuartcr

Everyone is bound by their Creator. They don’t pray to Satan when a Tornado comes, or an Earthquake hits, or a loved one dies. As far as the pre-destination argument, it doesn’t register that high in my book. I think that is uncalled for and doesen’t make sense.


74 posted on 06/19/2010 11:36:15 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: eyedigress

And they also hold God responsible for those same things. What’s interesting though, is that there are people that are said to have sold their soul to the devil for solutions to problems...why don’t people sell their souls to God?

I don’t get what you meant by uncalled for and doesn’t make sense...what?


75 posted on 06/19/2010 11:41:32 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: stuartcr; Alamo-Girl; betty boop

That’s YOUR construction on reality.

It’s not mine.

It also sets you over God as His judge.

That could be an interesting position to be in.

I don’t think that linear thinking is a good model to use in judging God or in understanding much at all about God. It seems to me that God is, by definition, beyond linear thinking and linear . . . constructs.

God declares that His ways are beyond finding out. Yet He tells us much about His ways that bear on our RELATIONSHIPs with Him.

As to ultimate good and evil . . . satan is not God’s opposing equal. He’s a gnat, comparatively. Useful in the current construction on reality for training rulers and reigners with Christ . . . particularly about learning humility and love and wisdom . . . pretty high priorities those.


76 posted on 06/19/2010 11:47:18 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: stuartcr

People’s understanding of pre-destination. Natural disaster is a product of the cleansing of this planet. Just get the “Satans Home” out of the way.


77 posted on 06/19/2010 11:48:00 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: The Comedian

You put it so much better and more briefly than I did.

THANKS BIG.

LUBIG BRO


78 posted on 06/19/2010 11:48:25 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: stuartcr

No one has the ability, on their own, to repent of their sins and put their trust in Christ.

The Bible says we are dead in our sins. Dead people don’t get up and do anything.

It is God who gives life to the dead.

So, the dishonorable person you mention - if he chooses to be honorable - that is evidence of God working in him. That is known as being “born again.”

Jesus says we must be born again.

Then He makes it happen.


79 posted on 06/19/2010 11:51:31 PM PDT by Persevero (Replace Howard Dean with Alvin Greene! And name Alvin Man of the Year!)
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To: Quix
You put it so much better and more briefly than I did.

Oh stop.

I just don't have anything remotely resembling your patience.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

80 posted on 06/19/2010 11:51:35 PM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: stuartcr

As far as people selling their souls to God. He doesn’t offer it. He wants their love, that’s all.


81 posted on 06/19/2010 11:54:48 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: The Comedian

You are kind and gracious.

Thanks for your encouraging words.

Whatever patience He has successfully poured into me has come at enormous cost that I don’t even want to remember.

Sure appreciate your patience with me.

Heading to bed. Wish I could enjoy a brotherly good night hug. Been a challenging week.

Night night.


82 posted on 06/19/2010 11:55:10 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: stuartcr

forty two


83 posted on 06/20/2010 2:30:37 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear (Does not play well with others.)
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To: stuartcr

His foreknowledge doesn’t preclude will. However, as I suspected, you are desperate to project evil upon God. I’ll pray for you.


84 posted on 06/20/2010 2:33:03 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: stuartcr

What is the sound of one hand clapping?


85 posted on 06/20/2010 3:14:20 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear (Does not play well with others.)
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To: Quix

It doesn’t set anyone over God as His judge.


86 posted on 06/20/2010 5:55:32 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: eyedigress

Planet cleansing???


87 posted on 06/20/2010 5:56:23 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: Grizzled Bear

I understand, thanks.


88 posted on 06/20/2010 5:57:50 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: anniegetyourgun

You’re wrong, but thanks. Sorry you couldn’t even try to answer, maybe next time.


89 posted on 06/20/2010 5:59:01 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: stuartcr; anniegetyourgun

Like sand through the hourglass, so are the days of our lives.

All we are is dust in the wind, dude. Dust - wind, see?


90 posted on 06/20/2010 6:03:21 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear (Does not play well with others.)
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To: stuartcr
I did answer; you simply don't like the response.

AGYG <----shaking dust off sandals now.

91 posted on 06/20/2010 6:05:28 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: stuartcr; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; Godzilla; ...

How is it that labeling God the author of evil lacks any judgment of Him?

Seems like fairly straightforward logic, to me.


92 posted on 06/20/2010 6:37:55 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: anniegetyourgun

No you didn’t, you just kept asking other questions. Which reply # was your answer?


93 posted on 06/20/2010 7:06:15 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: Quix

No judgement, not a label, just is...God is the creator of all. Is that a label or fact?


94 posted on 06/20/2010 7:08:19 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: stuartcr; Alamo-Girl; betty boop

1. I understand your point. I disagree.

2. I agree there is mystery involved.

3. I believe it is a judgment because it PRESUMES to have sufficient KNOWLEDGE OF GOD AND ALL THAT WAS INVOLVED to so determine that God is the author, source, cause of evil.

4. I do not believe the finite has anything remotely close to a view point, perspective, position of view, knowledge from which to assert that with the least bit of confidence.

5. Language may be part of the problem. Linear logic may be part of the problem. Regardless, we are not, per se, in our finiteness in the kind of space to make that kind of assessment of GOD, imho.


95 posted on 06/20/2010 7:12:52 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Quix

Looks like we disagree.


96 posted on 06/20/2010 7:27:01 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: rsobin

You’re presuming that that was a sincere inquiry.

Questions like that rarely are like in this case, which you will find out when you look at someone’s posting history.


97 posted on 06/20/2010 7:29:59 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: anniegetyourgun

Someone is just looking to be difficult.


98 posted on 06/20/2010 7:32:23 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: stuartcr

On the cancer issue....Everyone has cancer cells in their system, they are what is ‘activated’ when we die and decomposes the body. So what then activates these pre-maturely is the question.

All sorts of reasons have been introduced from smoking to exposure to toxic chmicals, crop sprays, and the list goes on and on... I’m in the court that says we’ve always had cancer happening...they just couldn’t recognize it for that years ago...rather... a person died from kidney failure, or brain infection, all depending on where in the body it grew and the organ it attached to which took their life. That was the cause of death.

Today we have far more developed instruments and research institutes ...., so we are catching things much earlier because the research is done to identify what the markers are etc. They didn’t have the advances we do now...

The key is what actually activates these cells before death?


99 posted on 06/20/2010 7:40:43 PM PDT by caww
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To: stuartcr

He did create people disease free...The break down of our bodies (death) came after this. So something happened between the time He created people to where disease was possible.

So your real question is ‘what’...am I correct?


100 posted on 06/20/2010 7:48:46 PM PDT by caww
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