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Cancer vs Jesus
TheCypressTimes.com ^ | 06/18/2010 | Wesley Wilson, Age 12

Posted on 06/18/2010 6:59:20 PM PDT by Patriot1259

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To: stuartcr
I wasn't talking about cancer in my answer, I was responding to what you said in that particular post. And if you googled that phrase, and read the theology about it, it would have taken you much longer. But since you mention cancer, and say how can it be fortunate?...all is gift, good, bad, sickness, suffering, happiness, contentment. God has a reason for allowing the things He allows to happen. And no, He doesn't explain everything because we're too stupid. Who is like unto God?
41 posted on 06/19/2010 9:41:29 PM PDT by murphE ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." - GK Chesterton)
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To: stuartcr

“What about non-Christians? Why does God create them? He knows what their choices are going to be. He even knows that they will be non-Christian, before He creates them.”

As it is written, “Jacob have I loved, but Esau I have hated.”

What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! For He says to Moses:

“I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.”

So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy.

For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.”

Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom he wills He hardens.

You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?”

But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?”

Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?

(All of the above except your question is Romans 9:13-21)


42 posted on 06/19/2010 10:28:53 PM PDT by Persevero (Replace Howard Dean with Alvin Greene! And name Alvin Man of the Year!)
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To: stuartcr
Try rereading the Bible. Pay particular attention to the parts that talk about that “fall of creation through man’s rebellion” thingy.
43 posted on 06/19/2010 10:31:25 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear (Does not play well with others.)
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To: stuartcr; anniegetyourgun
Doesn’t He know, prior to creating them, what they will do in life?

Yes Stuart. God knew before the dawn of time that you would be exceptionally annoying. Still he let you live. The most likely reason for this is he wanted FReepers to grow in patience.

44 posted on 06/19/2010 10:33:32 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear (Does not play well with others.)
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To: murphE

Yes I read about the ‘fortunate fall’. If no one is like unto God, then how can you know that all is a gift?


45 posted on 06/19/2010 10:37:44 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: Persevero

Was all that an answer?


46 posted on 06/19/2010 10:39:19 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: Patriot1259; All; Quix
Be fully aware of the fact that no matter how you row, row, row your physical boat, this life is but a dream.

This ain't reality, friends. We all wake up to reality eventually. Usually after about 80 years of this hilarious, terrible dream.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

47 posted on 06/19/2010 10:39:36 PM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: Grizzled Bear

I’m asking these questions outside the context of the bible. If I wanted scriptural answers, I would read scripture. I’m asking in the hopes that some will answer without referencing scripture.


48 posted on 06/19/2010 10:41:41 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: stuartcr

Yes, you asked why God created non-Christians.

I thought that portion of Romans 9 addressed that question pretty well.


49 posted on 06/19/2010 10:41:54 PM PDT by Persevero (Replace Howard Dean with Alvin Greene! And name Alvin Man of the Year!)
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To: Grizzled Bear

Nice, but if ya can’t or don’t want to answer, at least say so.


50 posted on 06/19/2010 10:43:08 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: stuartcr

I did answer the question. You just chose not to accept the answer. Of course, God knew you wouldn’t.


51 posted on 06/19/2010 10:45:15 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear (Does not play well with others.)
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To: stuartcr

God created man and woman on Earth. Satan was cast to the Earth. Do you need more?


52 posted on 06/19/2010 10:49:28 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Persevero

As a non-blical person, could you just explain in simple lay terms what it meant with relation to why God created non-Christians and how He expects the bible to influence those that He knows don’t give it credence.


53 posted on 06/19/2010 10:58:16 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: Grizzled Bear

Then if God know someone will do something, is it possible for them to not do it? Could you make it a simple yes or no?


54 posted on 06/19/2010 11:00:54 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: The Comedian

INDEED! INDEED.

WELL PUT.

LUBIG BRO


55 posted on 06/19/2010 11:02:23 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: eyedigress

Yeah, why did God create satan, only to throw him to the earth? Especially whe He knew what was going to be the result.


56 posted on 06/19/2010 11:02:46 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: stuartcr

???? Satan was an angel of God. The powers there are unknown. Obviously big enough for us to be discussing it now.


57 posted on 06/19/2010 11:05:55 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: The Comedian

Which pretty much means that whatever we believe, may or may not be true, so it don’t really matter, ‘cause God already knows what’s going to happen.

If that doesn’t sound pre-destined, what dos?


58 posted on 06/19/2010 11:05:55 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: stuartcr

A MORE EXCELLENT WAY . . . now with DVD documents root sources of a long list of cancers and other deadly diseases.

The website is

http://www.beinhealth.com

However, you are asking about CREATOR . . .

basically . . . doing things contrary to the manual on human beings . . . results in very broken human beings.

Let’s say you’re CEO of a company.

You take great pains to issue a policy manual, vision statement etc.

And every time you wander about, you find supervisors, managers, foreman doing more or less the opposite of your policy manual and SOP’s.

How would you feel? What would you do with such sabotaging of your company’s functioning?


59 posted on 06/19/2010 11:06:02 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: eyedigress

Right, God knew what satan was going to do before He created him...yet He still created him...essentially condoning everything that He knew satan was going to do. What’s up with that?


60 posted on 06/19/2010 11:09:43 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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