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What should be the conservative Republican platform for the 2012 elections?
Vanity | June 19, 2010 | 2ndDivisionVet

Posted on 06/19/2010 9:47:46 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Deficits? Fascism by the left? Abortion? Foreign affairs? Repealing ObamaCare? How can the Tea Party Movement contribute? Who would be the candidates to take us forward?


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: 2012; abortion; democrats; government; issues; obama; obamacare; platform; politics; republican
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1 posted on 06/19/2010 9:47:46 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Need to worry about November before we even consider 2012.AWB


2 posted on 06/19/2010 9:49:28 PM PDT by Americanwolfsbrother (2010 - Throw every incumbent in Washington out on their asses!!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Smaller govt, getting out of debt, energy independence.


3 posted on 06/19/2010 9:51:53 PM PDT by Islaminaction
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; bamahead
Single rate income tax.
Phase out of Social Security, Medicare.
Enforce immigration law.
No more bailouts.
Freeze ALL spending, NO EXCEPTIONS.
Break up the big banks.

And that's just for starters...

4 posted on 06/19/2010 9:53:38 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Certainly not any of the current republicans holding leadership positions ie bohner,pence,cantor.Are these not the same knuckleheads who lost it all before?


5 posted on 06/19/2010 9:54:21 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

One word platform. LIBERTY!


6 posted on 06/19/2010 9:54:42 PM PDT by Patrick1
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
First and foremost, it has to be more than a platform, it has to be a campaign. We can't let it happen again, some committee made platform that everyone refers to if questions come up, but the campaign itself rarely mentions a word of it.

The campaign should make it clear: After four years of Democrats spending the nation to bankruptcy and STILL leaving roads in horrible shape, people unemployed, a health care plan no one has a clue how to pay for, medicare about to be devastated by the same budget that is trillions out of whack...

Ending of government ownership of what should be private enterprise. End of Freddy Mac, Fannie Mae. End of ownership of GM. End of bailouts. A roll back of federal insurance for accounts, and a corresponding drop in the fees charged to insure those accounts. Ending most of Wall Street's regulations, ending of salary caps and reopening the market to all investment.

Repudiation of retirement funds for members of congress, a roll back to FY 2000 levels of funding for all congressional budgets, the ending of private airplanes for members of congress. A restoring of the outside ethics investigators and a requirement to have ALL investigations done in an open matter, not just ones referred to by committee.

A 50 state commitment to roll back programs that have had their trials and shown to be utter failures. An ending of federal involvement in state education, retasking those dollars to help save programs that do work.

I could go on and on, but the truth is, none of this is going to come to pass. It'll be ultra liberal against liberal in the general election, with people telling us that we'd best hold our noses and vote for the not as liberal because it's the only way forward.

I honestly think that it'll be in 2014 when the Tea Party movement really comes into stride, as they cast off the yoke of the GOP and openly challenge them in every primary in the midterms, and defeat many. And in 2016, they'll do the same to the Democrats. Because all the GOP is concerned with is identifying numbers. No longer is the worry if they're doing the right thing for the country or even if they'll win an election, they just want people to like them.

Well, tough, sometimes you gotta be the adult who tells the truth to those who don't want to hear it, and put your foot down to take back the reigns of the nation from the idiocy liberalism and quasi-communism has brought.

7 posted on 06/19/2010 9:59:40 PM PDT by kingu (Favorite Sticker: Lost hope, and Obama took my change.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We should promise to put me and our lousy goat humping glass jawed mack daddy in thief into a giant steel caged hamster wheel to duke it out to the death. Anyone would vote for that.


8 posted on 06/19/2010 10:01:25 PM PDT by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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To: kingu

Good rant.


9 posted on 06/19/2010 10:02:09 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Grown up’s in charge of the country again......JOBS! Lower Taxes, End Gov’t take over of companies, no more tax payer boondogle bailouts.......Like Rush says.....Conservatism Works every time it’s tried.


10 posted on 06/19/2010 10:02:33 PM PDT by jakerobins
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
We need to re-establish the Republican party as the party of fiscal sanity. We need to have a candidate who can look Americans in the eye, so to speak, and say, "We can't have all these programs. These are the ones we have to cut, and this is why" without fear of being seen as "mean."

We have to go back not to RWR, because he was the greatest proponent of these things but no one person is greater than these ideals, but to what he represented--optimism backed by strength, not wanting government to control every detail of our lives (which some conservatives need to re-learn in terms of certain social issues).

Our bedrock issues must be defense, taxes, pro-life, strong free speech (including Internet), gun, and individual liberties protection.

We need someone who can make people WANT to live without government policing everyone else (which ends up including you at some point), but want a sane fiscal policy and strong defense of borders and American citizens, whether the opponent is illegal aliens or terrorists.

We also have to have someone who isn't doing the BS red state/blue state thing. We're all Americans, and we have to define what that means, or else the nation we all live in is doomed.

And my personal issue which never seems to get mentioned--make English our official language.

11 posted on 06/19/2010 10:03:44 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 ("You seem to believe that stupidity is a virtue. Why is that so?"-Flight of the Phoenix)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Explain to the public how destructive liberal Democrat policies are, and offer clear, contrasting, no-compromising conservative positions. No more nibbling around the edges or offering slightly-less liberal proposals that'll just move the goal posts to the left more.

(1) 10% flat income tax with no credits, deductions, allowances, or loopholes. Everyone pays the same rate. Abolish all other federal taxes. Active duty and retired military veterans should be exempt from paying income taxes.

(2) Abolish depts such as Housing, Education, Commerce, Interior, ATF, Labor, Homeland Security. Scale down HHS, EPA

(3) Militarize the southern border and kick out all illegals living in the U.S. Void U.S citizenship of children of illegals born after the 1986 amnesty.

(4) Give seniors and those who are on Medicare and Medicaid vouchers to purchase insurance through private plans, and phase out both programs.

(5) Offer everyone 55 and older who have paid into SS a lump-sum cash-out. Those 54 and younger should have the option of rolling over what they put into SS into an IRA or 401(k).

I can think of more but it's late

12 posted on 06/19/2010 10:04:51 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Mexico is the U.S. version of Hamas)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Repeal of the 16th Amendment


13 posted on 06/19/2010 10:05:11 PM PDT by eyeamok
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Active duty and retired military veterans should be exempt from paying income taxes.

Yes, because some Americans are more equal than others. /s

14 posted on 06/19/2010 10:06:12 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: rabscuttle385

Veterans are already getting screwed as it is. If you served your country, you should be exempt from paying taxes.


15 posted on 06/19/2010 10:09:26 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Mexico is the U.S. version of Hamas)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Nuclear Power Plants

Crime ..fight everything illegal

Reduction of foreign aid to all but true allies

Lower Taxes

Infrastructure restoration expansion

Americans first Jobs policy

Investment Security

EPA Reform


16 posted on 06/19/2010 10:11:29 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: jakerobins
Grown up’s in charge of the country again......

People should be qualified and vetted prior to running for office. Barack Obama and Alvin Greene just two people that come to mind as totally unqualified for the job that they seek.

17 posted on 06/19/2010 10:14:08 PM PDT by seawolf101
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Drop the support for Puerto Rican statehood, and any other initiative that favors the Third Worldization of the United States. Support balanced budget amendment and sound money (preferable a gold standard).


18 posted on 06/19/2010 10:16:37 PM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Competition.

The unions would have to compete against non-union companies in all areas of public service. Teachers, schools, building, infrastructure, whatever. Let them compete in the real world.

Entitlements.

No more corporate bailouts, welfare to lifers, fannie, freddie, tax credits, housing tax credits, energy tax credits, or tax credits of any kind, food stamps, housing subsidies, ssi. Cut them at the rate of 25% per year for 4 years.

Obamacare.

Knock portions of it down until it doesn’t exist. Start with tort reform and single payer, then go to competition across state lines.

Immigration.

Eliminate all benefits to illegals, including schooling, health care, and anchor babies.

Taxes.

Eliminate all taxes meant to modify any human behavior.

Congress.

Congress must obey all laws imposed on the citizens.


19 posted on 06/19/2010 10:17:34 PM PDT by lurk
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist; mkjessup; stephenjohnbanker
If you served your country, you should be exempt from paying taxes.

I disagree.

I can understand combat pay and pensions being exempt from Federal taxes, but to suggest that military personnel should be given a blanket and indefinite tax exemption is just wrong.

20 posted on 06/19/2010 10:17:40 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I like THIS ONE:

https://www.1888932-2946.ws/TexasGOP/E-ContentStrategy/userfiles/2010_RPT_PLATFORM.pdf


21 posted on 06/19/2010 10:18:28 PM PDT by ziravan ("Are you better off now than you were 4 trillion dollars ago?")
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To: Americanwolfsbrother

I say again if we loll away the summer for more hopey changey stuff from the same establishment republicans who are failing us daily, for five more months betting on November, we are in another world. Obama is unafraid of November and has visably distanced himself from his party’s re-election woes. There’s a reason for that. Cap and trade. We are becoming Venzuela while our standing military are a zillion miles away with no ride home.


22 posted on 06/19/2010 10:19:13 PM PDT by RitaOK
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Close the border first! Make that the only item on the platform and the GOP will win - of course, they have to mean it which for 30 plus years they have not.


23 posted on 06/19/2010 10:24:35 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

You forgot close the border. That was the number 1 answer. Sorry, you don’t pass the test.


24 posted on 06/19/2010 10:26:03 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience.)
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To: Squantos

Reagan conservative/republican pretty much sums it up.


25 posted on 06/19/2010 10:29:17 PM PDT by robsat61
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The running theme should be what Reagan ran on, but, updated.
We can't accomplish all those other things if we don't have a nation left, so, the out of control spending and high taxes should be #1 and in the same line, the deficit.
26 posted on 06/19/2010 10:31:09 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We need to take an all of the above approach like Reagan did, otherwise, we risk fracture of the GOP as one or more factions will rightfully feel dis-enfranchised.


27 posted on 06/19/2010 10:32:36 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: American Constitutionalist
The running theme should be what Reagan ran on, but, updated.

We can't accomplish all those other things if we don't have a nation left, so, the out of control spending and high taxes should be #1 and in the same line, the deficit.


Then you weren't paying attention when Reagan was President.

He tackled all three at the same time:

1. Limited Government
2. Social Issues
3. Strong Military
28 posted on 06/19/2010 10:34:09 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: rabscuttle385
Yes, because some Americans are more equal than others.

Tell you what Rabs, if someone serves their country and is willing to put their life on the line doing, they are more equal than most other Americans.

What is wrong with you?
29 posted on 06/19/2010 10:35:50 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’d like to see strong statements on each pillar of our three-legged stool

1. Fiscal restraint/small government
2. Foreign policy/strong defense
3. Social conservativism/pro life, standing against homo marriage, fighting illegal immigration


30 posted on 06/19/2010 10:36:30 PM PDT by Persevero (Replace Howard Dean with Alvin Greene! And name Alvin Man of the Year!)
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To: SoConPubbie

You are correct on all counts, but, Reagan didn’t have to face the dire situation that we face now that our country can go under.


31 posted on 06/19/2010 10:36:50 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Two things:
1) Guns for everyone [citizen]! (Ex-Felons too; if they served their sentence then they should have FULL rights & privileges restored.)
— a) This will help ensure that the Citizens can defend themselves, and their families, and their properties from all enemies Foreign and Domestic.
— b) This will also encourage the formation of militias, which are going to be needed to secure the border.
— c) This is something that a Statist would not endorse, but a Representative would.
2) Massive Government Reduction — If it isn’t DIRECTLY authorized by the Constitution, it’s not a federal agency [anymore].
— a) This is something that a Statist would not endorse, but a Representative would.
— b) Goodbye: FDA, DEA, BATFE, DOE, DOE (the other one), FCC, DOT, DHS, Fish & Wildlife, NASA, MMS, SSA, BP, Airforce (they’re a ROUGE Army Air Corp!!) ;), Dept of Agriculture, etc.


32 posted on 06/19/2010 10:37:29 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Nuke Davos.

Waterboard, then execute Soros; and roll up his network.

Cheers!

33 posted on 06/19/2010 10:38:00 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: rabscuttle385

“Yes, because some Americans are more equal than others. /s “

I don’t think it’s an equality issue, but a reward issue.

However, I don’t think I’d support it. I’d rather income taxes be abolished and we all go to a national sales tax instead.


34 posted on 06/19/2010 10:38:05 PM PDT by Persevero (Replace Howard Dean with Alvin Greene! And name Alvin Man of the Year!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

To climb out of the ditch we find ourselves in I am convinced you are correct in eliminating several extra-constitutional bureaucracies. I would prefer to eliminate EPA completely, however. The several states are capable of determining their ecological interests, IMO.

No anchor babies.

Persons currently in the US illegally cannot become citizens, period.

If we think that it is logistically impossible to deport the interlopers ( I don’t) , then give them worker visas with no chance of citizenship ahead of anyone who did things right; they should leave and come back when their number is called.

No amnesty, no voting usurpers.

Strengthen the things that remain, or there will be no more Republic.


35 posted on 06/19/2010 10:39:24 PM PDT by One Name
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Disagreed.
I’m a veteran and that proposal would NOT work.
Taxes should be made simple and, in a word, singular [for whatever level of government we’re talking about].
We should get rid of crap like: inheritance tax, [pet] licensing tax, energy tax, phone excise tax...
Instead of all those taxes making EVERYONE’S (Govt included) lives harder, we could go with something like a Federal Income Tax of [say] 5% with NO exceptions or deductions (i.e. EVERYONE would pay that same rate).


36 posted on 06/19/2010 10:43:18 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: SoConPubbie
What is wrong with you?

Nothing.

But I do believe in equality under the law.

And, as I wrote at post 20, I can understand combat pay and pensions being exempted from Federal taxation, but I will NOT support a blanket and indefinite exemption from paying taxes.

There are far too many Government employees (and yes, lots and lots of retired "veterans") here in the DC area double and tripple dipping as they milk the system.

37 posted on 06/19/2010 10:43:33 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: American Constitutionalist
You are correct on all counts, but, Reagan didn’t have to face the dire situation that we face now that our country can go under.

The ends, especially in this situation, does not justify the means.

In taking your approach, you'd immediately alienate at least the Social Conservatives, and if you are seriously pushing that the fiscal issues should be elevated above all other issues, your strong military conservatives would also be alienated.

In order to win this war against the left, we will need all of our friends in conservative circles ENGAGED.

That means we all have to act like adults, figuring out what is most important to each faction, aceepting that, and being willing to let go of the less important.

This is the only approach that will work.

We will fail otherwise.
38 posted on 06/19/2010 10:46:13 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: rabscuttle385
There are far too many Government employees (and yes, lots and lots of retired "veterans") here in the DC area double and tripple dipping as they milk the system.

Do you mean veterans who finish 1 or 2 20 year hitches and then are able to pull retirement for each one?
39 posted on 06/19/2010 10:47:47 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It should start with the FR definition of conservative:

As a conservative site, Free Republic is pro-God, pro-life, pro-family, pro-Constitution, pro-Bill of Rights, pro-gun, pro-limited government, pro-private property rights, pro-limited taxes, pro-capitalism, pro-national defense, pro-freedom, and-pro America. We oppose all forms of liberalism, socialism, fascism, pacifism, totalitarianism, anarchism, government enforced atheism, abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, racism, wacko environmentalism, judicial activism, etc. We also oppose the United Nations or any other world government body that may attempt to impose its will or rule over our sovereign nation and sovereign people. We believe in defending our borders, our constitution and our national sovereignty.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1103363/posts
(linked from the front page of FR)


40 posted on 06/19/2010 10:52:41 PM PDT by Kevmo (So America gets what America deserves - the destruction of its Constitution. ~Leo Donofrio, 6/1/09)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How about we all ask God to cleanse our hearts and remove the dross from our faith, and that HIS will would be done in OUR lives as well as in the nation. God raises up principled men and women of proven character in each election cycle. We reject them because the media tells us they can’t win.


41 posted on 06/19/2010 10:53:37 PM PDT by Judges Gone Wild (Who are these uncircumcised to oppose the armies of the Living God?)
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To: SoConPubbie
I do believe that the Social Conservatives ( I would put myself in that group ) and the Military Conservatives ( I would also put myself in that group ) would have enough sense and are reasonable that the bleeding needs to be stopped before we can move onto the other issues.
Yes, you are right we should tackle all the other issues that we face, but, the patient is in critical condition and the bleeding needs to be stopped.
42 posted on 06/19/2010 10:54:21 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: SoConPubbie; rabscuttle385
The fact that someone volunteers to serve is great. But, blanket ‘special’ treatment is wrong.

It is similar to creating different degrees of punishment, because someone is a policeman, fireman, child, etc. during a crime against them.

They all are people, and setting up a animal farm mentality is anathema to the Republic.

43 posted on 06/19/2010 11:10:31 PM PDT by Palter (Kilroy was here.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Veterans are already getting screwed as it is.

How so?

If you served your country, you should be exempt from paying taxes.

How do you define "serving your country"?

44 posted on 06/19/2010 11:15:56 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("California just got the best politicians money can buy." -- AuntB)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

TRANSFER POWER FROM THE GOV’T BACK TO WE THE PEOPLE.


45 posted on 06/20/2010 12:23:41 AM PDT by historyrepeatz
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Running against the Federal Government and debt is the cornerstone.

I also think the majority of people are against illegal immigration, but at the same time are afraid to appear “racist”, so that issue will have to be tackled carefully.

But the time is right to run against the bloat of the Federal Govt and paint it as corrupt and in need of severe overhaul.

If there ever is a time to give power back to the states, this is it. I’m not sure any of the candidates are the real deal on this issue though.


46 posted on 06/20/2010 2:25:58 PM PDT by Crimson Elephant
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To: Americanwolfsbrother
"We want our Constitution back!"
47 posted on 06/20/2010 2:40:59 PM PDT by eCSMaster (He promised hope; he gave us hype. He promised change; he gave us chains!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Can we brainstorm on what to do with the upcoming 2010 elections first?

That might be a better start.

48 posted on 06/20/2010 2:47:25 PM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Short and to the point:

1-Less spending
2-Lower Taxes
3-Jobs created thru small business.
4-Smaller Government.

PERIOD.


49 posted on 06/20/2010 3:04:42 PM PDT by conservativesister
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To: rabscuttle385; All

Cut taxes

Cut spending

N O

A M N E S T Y !!!!


50 posted on 06/20/2010 8:39:52 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops....and vote out the RINOS!)
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