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Andrew Sullivan: Why Does Trig Matter? [Governor Sarah Palin driving them insane!]
The Atlantic ^ | June 28, 2010 | Andrew Sullivan

Posted on 06/28/2010 6:16:52 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Jonathan Bernstein asks:

Sullivan believes that Palin's birth story for her youngest son is implausible. I think he has a good case for that, for what it's worth. As I've read over the last two years, I've seen three possible explanations. The first is the wild one, that the baby isn't really hers; she's covering for someone else's inconvenient pregnancy and has adopted that child. The second is that she was an irresponsible mother, and took terrible risks given the dangerous nature of the pregnancy. The third is that she made the whole thing up, or most of it: she invented a heroic birth story, and then wound up being stuck with it when she suddenly had a massively larger audience.

So. Let's say one of these is true. Why should I care?

I'm tempted to say that Sullivan owes it to us to explain what he thinks is at stake in the story of Palin and Trig, but I think that's not quite right. I'll leave it at this: as a regular reader, I would like to know what he thinks is at stake here. And I might even believe that he owes it to Palin and her family to explain why the stakes are high enough to outweigh their privacy. At least for me, it has to be more than just her habit of straying from the truth; we have more than enough examples of that.

These are excellent questions in an excellent summary of the options. Let me start with the obvious. If any of the three scenarios Jonathan has pointed out is true, then Sarah Palin has no business running for president and should never have been picked for vice-president.

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TOPICS: Conspiracy; Politics; Society; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: 2012; aidsdementia; andrewnutcase; andypanda; getpalin; homosexualagenda; jourbalism; milkyloads; palin; pds; sarahpalin; sickhomo; waronsarah
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To: rj45mis
This sounds like a poster here on FR, Robert J. He is totally obsessed with taking down Ms. Palin.

Hey, you forgot to include indylindy and pissant. What are you trying to do, hurt their feelings?

51 posted on 06/28/2010 7:36:49 PM PDT by NurdlyPeon (Sarah Palin: Americas last, best hope for survival.)
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To: Josh Painter

Bob I wasn’t it?


52 posted on 06/28/2010 7:42:32 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Don't care if he was born in a manger on July 4th! A "Natural Born" citizen requires two US parents!)
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To: JerseyDvl
It is an unnatural fixation. Let's also keep in mind that Sarah is the greatest threat to barry soetoro and this whole campaign has been directed from the WH.

The bitter, psychotic delusions by "men" who can't reproduce normally; sullivan and morford come to mind, are just extra entertainment.

53 posted on 06/28/2010 7:42:50 PM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck.)
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To: basil

Maybe she should have copied the Kennedys and hidden him away in some asylum in Wisonsin.


54 posted on 06/28/2010 7:43:54 PM PDT by jeltz25
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To: JApost

If anything happens to her and/or her family, there’ll be hell to pay: Doesn’t the Left realize that the VAST MAJORITY of military and veterans are over here on this side?


55 posted on 06/28/2010 7:45:33 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Don't care if he was born in a manger on July 4th! A "Natural Born" citizen requires two US parents!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If anything happens to Sarah or her family, that nutcase Andrew Sullivan will be a prime suspect.


56 posted on 06/28/2010 7:54:39 PM PDT by Palladin (David Petraeus: "I don't use terms like victory or defeat.")
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To: Bullish
"I have a hard time supporting anyone who was so in lockstep with McCain."

So you either voted for Obama/Biden or wasted your vote in 2008, is that what I'm hearing you say?

57 posted on 06/28/2010 7:55:06 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Don't care if he was born in a manger on July 4th! A "Natural Born" citizen requires two US parents!)
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To: Josh Painter

Well, it’s nice to know he’s managed to find something to occupy his time other than soliciting bareback sex on the internet. How The Atlantic keeps him on board after that is amazing. They must be afraid of a lawsuit over gay discrimination.

Sullivan clearly has an anti-woman phobia. It started with Hillary. He was vicious towards her. It continued with Palin. I wouldn’t be surprised if he starts in against Haley, Fiorina, Whitman, Angle, whoever.

I’ve always found it amazing that of all the things he could pick to obsess about with her, it’s that. Of all things. It’s beyond absurd.

One thing that’s always got me is he’s(or any of the other wackos) never claimed that Todd isn’t the father. Never raised even a question about it. So, if he buys into the Bristol is the mother idea that’s just too sick to even contemplate. And if someone else is the mother is she saying that Gov Palin is some kind of reverse cuckold, that she’d pretend to be the mother of a baby her hsuband fathered in an adulterous relationship?

Why has no other woman in 2+ yrs come out and claimed maternity?

It’s so ridiculous I can’t even believe I’m discussing it.

At this point I think the #1 reason I want Sarah Palin to be elected President is to see the reaction of people like Sullivan. Not so much because I think she’d be a good President. Sure, she’d be way better than Obama, but I don’t think there’d be all that much difference between a Palin WH and a Romney WH or a Huckabee WH or a Daniels WH or a Pawlenty WH. They’d all be pretty similar.

But just seeing the reaction of all these folks would be more than worth it.

The #2 Reason I want her to win. George Lopez said if she wins all the hispanics and illegal immigrants will leave immediately. So she’d solve the immigration issue on Day One.


58 posted on 06/28/2010 7:59:08 PM PDT by jeltz25
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Obligatory Palin photo,please?


59 posted on 06/28/2010 8:06:34 PM PDT by Finalapproach29er (Obama will sink as fast as he rose. (False) Idolatry will not succeed. Be patient, folks...)
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To: NurdlyPeon; Bob J; indylindy; pissant

The comparison is funny, but I don’t see traces of the unhinged psychotic insanity in those three that is clearly found by listening to Milky Loads Sullivan for longer than five seconds.


60 posted on 06/28/2010 8:09:28 PM PDT by Uncle Ivan (Alea iacta est)
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To: Finalapproach29er
Obligatory Palin photo,please?


61 posted on 06/28/2010 8:13:02 PM PDT by Uncle Ivan (Alea iacta est)
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To: Finalapproach29er

62 posted on 06/28/2010 8:14:44 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Don't care if he was born in a manger on July 4th! A "Natural Born" citizen requires two US parents!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Don't be ridiculous.

I knew someone here would want to snipe me just because I'm not sold on your Goddess Palin.

63 posted on 06/28/2010 8:32:43 PM PDT by Bullish (Been to all 57 States.... Or is it 58?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Hey, Andy --

Photobucket

Not only is Trig hers, but apparently she's been breast-feeding him too.

See, when you have sex with women, not only is it fun, but sometimes babies come out about nine months later.

Then the woman produces a fluid which nourishes the baby.

Hint: look up the word mammal sometime.

But I guess you're too ignorant and sheltered to know about that.

Cheers!

64 posted on 06/28/2010 9:00:18 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers

Good post.

What in the world would an aging queen like Andrew know about pregnancy, childbirth, or breastfeeding?

The last time he saw a woman’s breast was when his mother nursed him about sixty years ago.


65 posted on 06/28/2010 9:31:45 PM PDT by Palladin (David Petraeus: "I don't use terms like victory or defeat.")
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To: afraidfortherepublic
...then drop it surreptitiously in some public gathering place where there are magazines to read.

Why put it out to pollute the minds of others. Just dump it with the recycling.
66 posted on 06/28/2010 9:38:51 PM PDT by redheadtoo
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I distinctly remember reading a story about Sarah Palin in a magazine (perhaps it was People?), while she was pregnant. There were many pictures of a definitely pregnant Palin in the governor’s office along with a nice, positive story.

So, according to Sullivan, and others, she planned the entire fake pregnancy story far in advance of being picked to be McCain’s running mate. For five or six months she walked around with pillows stuffed in her clothing, gradually adding more pillows to fake the pregnancy, being interviewed for magazine articles, and then finally faking the birth.

Yeah, right.


67 posted on 06/28/2010 10:38:49 PM PDT by Auntie Mame (Fear not tomorrow. God is already there.)
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To: Uncle Ivan

Wow.
Thank you.


68 posted on 06/28/2010 10:50:12 PM PDT by Finalapproach29er (Obama will sink as fast as he rose. (False) Idolatry will not succeed. Be patient, folks...)
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To: redheadtoo
Why put it out to pollute the minds of others

Well, sometimes it does go directly to the garbage, depending on what is on the cover. But, I feel guilty throwing them away because my mother sent them. She's very liberal, but you can't argue with a 97 year old retired school teacher.

69 posted on 06/29/2010 1:39:57 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: worst-case scenario
***Who will it be? Gingrich, Romney, Huckabee - McCain (shudder)?***

All 4 of those names brings up a little vomit into the throat.....I will not vote for any of them...Shysters and posers

70 posted on 06/29/2010 2:07:58 AM PDT by goat granny
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Oh dear. The hate fairie’s wings are all a-flutter. They just can’t deal with the fact that Sarah connects and they remain on the fringe.


71 posted on 06/29/2010 3:42:43 AM PDT by AdaGray
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To: NurdlyPeon
Now I remember who you are. I figured you were just some kook who had their self confused with someone worth remembering.

But alas, you have proved yourself a petty little booger eating weasel coward, same ilk as Andrew. The two of you resort to the same tactics. That's what cowards are. They work behind the backs of others. I am sure Palin wasn't notified by him that the cheap shot was coming.

Any reservations I have about Palin are not personal. I like the woman and her family. I haven't chosen my candidate yet because no candidate has said they are running. I criticize all of them.

Talk about obsessed sparky, post #15 sounds like the mewlings of a lovesick puppy. Unhinged it is. Sure doesn't sound like the kind of reason and logic that comes from a mind choosing who will be candidate for President in what will be one of the most difficult times in America.

I pity you.

72 posted on 06/29/2010 4:30:25 AM PDT by dforest
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Twisted homos like Sullivan regard women like Sarah Palin through one prism:

“She’s the ‘competition’”


73 posted on 06/29/2010 6:27:18 AM PDT by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: indylindy
I pity you.

Right back at ya, pal. YOU built your reputation on this forum, not me.

74 posted on 06/29/2010 7:42:06 AM PDT by NurdlyPeon (Sarah Palin: America's last, best hope for survival.)
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To: NurdlyPeon

My reputation is fine around here. You just look like a petty little fool.

If you don’t like what I say, rather than being a sleazy little stalker peckerwood, just hit the abuse button and tell the mods or JR that I should be banned because I have yet to be bumpin and jumpin on the campaign bus yet. After all, 2012 is two years away yet.

I am sure they will take it up with me and decide what punishment should be meted out to me.

See ya!


75 posted on 06/29/2010 7:48:39 AM PDT by dforest
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To: indylindy
Oh, and by the way, no, you still haven't even come close to answering my question. Allow me to re-post it for you: "Explain to me, if you would, how it would have benefited Sarah Palin and the people of Alaska for her to have remained in office. Also, in the process of explaining this to me, convince me that you are aware of her tactical situation as it existed at the time."

Still waiting.

76 posted on 06/29/2010 7:59:01 AM PDT by NurdlyPeon (Sarah Palin: America's last, best hope for survival.)
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To: NurdlyPeon

I already answered your question. You just didn’t care for my answer.

Nobody has proved yet that stepping down will not be the deciding hammer used against her if she should decide to run. Can’t be proved one way or another until we have declared candidates and a primary process.

But I am equally not sure, since we do not know who will be running, what the downside to the other candidates will be.

I have stated, more than once on this forum that Palin would have my vote should she be the GOP nominee. I may even vote for her in the primary, not that it matters in my state. We don’t vote until May.

I don’t qualify this opinion as PDS.

Now, I hope you are satisfied.


77 posted on 06/29/2010 8:09:41 AM PDT by dforest
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To: indylindy
How can I care or not care for your answer when you still haven't given me one yet? The only thing you've done so far is dance around, blow smoke, try to turn the argument around, toss out cheap insults, and tell us all about how you're really a big Palin fan. And I didn't ask you about how her decision might play with electorate two years down the line, what I said was, and I'll re-post it for you here: "Explain to me, if you would, how it would have benefited Sarah Palin and the people of Alaska for her to have remained in office. Also, in the process of explaining this to me, convince me that you are aware of her tactical situation as it existed at the time."

Still waiting.

78 posted on 06/29/2010 8:36:38 AM PDT by NurdlyPeon (Sarah Palin: America's last, best hope for survival.)
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To: NurdlyPeon

get lost

You are a cheesy bully and I am done with you.

I was nicer to you than you deserve chump.

I hope Palin isn’t counting on you to win votes for her.


79 posted on 06/29/2010 8:43:18 AM PDT by dforest
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All

The definitive Andrew Sullivan interview ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Hi0hskUPGg
“Red Eye” interviews Robot Andrew Sullivan


80 posted on 06/29/2010 8:47:16 AM PDT by Liberty Valance
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To: afraidfortherepublic
I feel guilty throwing them away because my mother sent them.

Could you throw it out if your mother sent you something really nasty like Nazi racist propaganda or child porn? Just toss the crap, and the guilt, in the trash. Then go have a nice day.
81 posted on 07/03/2010 7:13:14 AM PDT by redheadtoo
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