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If Kagen doesn't believe in Inherent Rights, we're all in big trouble!
The Jazz Patriot ^ | July 4, 2010 | Tom Wholley

Posted on 07/04/2010 8:09:25 PM PDT by jazzpatriot

This week I believe we witnessed an incredible and frightening event in our nations capital when President Obama’s nominee for the United States Supreme Court, Elena Kagen, stated emphatically that she didn’t believe in rights that are inherent to us. Denying natural rights and natural law during a week leading up to the day in which we celebrate the signing of the Declaration of Independence strikes me as a distortion of the deeply held religious beliefs of the signers of this sacred document which clearly states “we are endowed by our creator with inalienable rights, including life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. It also strikes me as a betrayal of their intentions which obviously was that they and succeeding generations would be able to live in the freedom our creator intended for us. And if Elena Kagen doesn't believe in that, i.e. liberty for all, then I'm here to tell you we're in serious trouble as a nation and as individuals.

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TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: elenakagen; naturalrights

1 posted on 07/04/2010 8:09:27 PM PDT by jazzpatriot
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To: jazzpatriot

We were in trouble the day Obama walked into the Oval office.


2 posted on 07/04/2010 8:12:59 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: jazzpatriot

Capitol HillBillies


3 posted on 07/04/2010 8:22:12 PM PDT by FrankR ( If we don't stand up to tyranny, the tyrants win, and we're enslaved.)
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To: jazzpatriot
... Elena Kagen, stated emphatically that she didn’t believe in rights that are inherent to us.

I don't believe this is correct, going by the clip that Rush played. I think you could say she conspicuously declined to affirm such a belief, and she did say she wouldn't base rulings on them, in any case.

I thought these comments were very weak, especially in view of the ninth amendment, which explicitly recognized unenumerated rights.

4 posted on 07/04/2010 8:32:55 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: jazzpatriot

Of course Ms. Kagan doesn’t believe in such antiquated things as “inherent rights”.

Is it not obvious that this is exactly why she was chosen?

No “real world” experience AT ALL, and not much of a “record” to pin on her.

But anyone can look and see “what is there” behind the facade —and what kind of decisions she will render from her seat of “justice”... :)


5 posted on 07/04/2010 8:39:16 PM PDT by Grumplestiltskin (I may look new, but it's only deja vu!)
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To: jazzpatriot

No reputable individual would vote for this crypto-Marxist skank and Homo-Leninist just on the face of her own admissions’!

I believe there is a grand effort to revise and deconstruct the record for people like Kagan and Obama. The current pop-culture thinking being pushed has Obama as a definitive authority on the constitution. And if, this movement prevails in their attempt to remove the underlying precept of “inalienable right,” rights which can not be surrendered as an individual’s rights well above Government’s control; then rights are/will be only extended from Government based on what the Federal Government permits (as in France); instead of being constrained or restricted as defined by the U.S. Constitution.


6 posted on 07/04/2010 8:42:03 PM PDT by ntmxx (I am not so sure about this misdirection!)
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To: jazzpatriot

We’re in trouble just knowing that there are jackasses living in the country who actually believe Kagan is qualified to be on the Supreme Court. I’m getting tired of the dumbasses in the “media” always telling us that every dumbass, radical liberal that comes down the pike is the smartest person alive. If Kagan is so damn smart, why is she a dumbass commie lib? Smart people believe in freedom and liberty, not slavery and communism.


7 posted on 07/04/2010 8:58:40 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Hey America! Had enough "history" yet?)
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To: dr_lew

I don’t know what happened to the reply I sent you, so I’ll try again. It sounded pretty emphatic to me. When Tom coburn asked Elena Kagen if she believed that there are rights inherent to us, she said she only believed in rights that came from the Constitution and from the laws. I agree with you that these rights are incorporated in the ninth and tenth amendment of the Constitution which I believe Rush mentioned as well


8 posted on 07/04/2010 9:10:14 PM PDT by jazzpatriot
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To: jazzpatriot
OMG, that is the keystone of what makes the United States unique. We are not granted rights by government or by the Constitution. Our rights originate with our very humanity. We are not subjects. We are the original author who grants power to our government institutions and that which is not delegated is retained by the People.

Because of this, the majority cannot abrogate basic rights of the individual for the general benefit. The individual has freedom of conscience, freedom of expression, freedom of idea, and freedom of action that does not injure another.

It is not this way in European democracies, such as France. They believe that the individual surrenders his inherent rights for superior civil rights and security. Ergo, the individual can be ruled by the majority and the general benefit.

If this woman does not “get” what we are all about, she has absolutely no business being on the Supreme Court.

9 posted on 07/04/2010 9:46:02 PM PDT by marsh2
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To: FlingWingFlyer; PGalt; Publius; jellybean; Wyatt's Torch; OwenKellogg; H.Akston; ...
I’m getting tired of the dumbasses in the “media” always telling us that every dumbass, radical liberal that comes down the pike is the smartest person alive. If Kagan is so damn smart, why is she a dumbass commie lib?

   "Many academicians and self-styled intellectuals, with a habitually arrogant and condescending attitude, treat the rest of the world with contempt.  These so-called 'intelligentsia' congratulate themselves for, not only having high IQs and lots of education in their particular fields, but for having achieved the allegedly momentus insight that free-market capitalism and pure altruism are ultimately incompatible (duh).  Yet they're still too damned stupid to realize, and too damned ignorant to acknowledge, that altruism is NOT the only moral code available to mankind.  (It is, in fact, the bloodiest and most regressive one of all).  This stunted thinking has resulted in their committing the intellectual atrocity of rejecting the capitalism and freedom instead of the altruism and coercion." -- Rick Gaber

-- found on THIS page

10 posted on 07/04/2010 9:53:37 PM PDT by FreeKeys ("Intellect is not wisdom." --- Dr. Thomas Sowell)
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To: marsh2

Yes you get it as I think most do at FR. I think Republicans should filibuster in order to go through all her public statements in court documents and in academia, because if we know about this as well as other repulsive statements regarding the governments right to burn books after only a superficial search, there must be even more radical statements she has made that could make her a huge political liability for Deems during the upcoming election cycle. I think that is our only hope. She is exactly the person that Obama wants to rubberstamp is radical ideas and go to war with the Robert’s court that he obviously abhors.


11 posted on 07/04/2010 10:10:53 PM PDT by jazzpatriot
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To: jazzpatriot; Grumplestiltskin; dr_lew; ntmxx; FreeKeys

I sent the below letter to a bunch of papers, talk shows, and the committee on Friday. Hopefully, a few liberals will not be able to ignore, unlike Kagan, that even one of their greatest icons, and the leading empire of the communist world both acknowledged the existance of natural rights for humanity.

Senator Coburn asked Elena Kagan whether there are natural, inalienable rights for people, which our founding fathers understood to be independent of and condition precedent for the Constitution. The same understanding is among the founding documents of the United Nations. Eleanor Roosevelt did have to compromise on the inclusion of god to get the Soviet Union to sign on, but all nations at that San Francisco conference acknowledged inherent individual human dignity.

Kagan’s failure to understand and acknowledge natural, inalienable rights, as a test for laws enacted by societies, should be fatal to her confirmation. Here is a comparison of defining textual portions of the documents.

DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS

Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world…. Now, Therefore THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY proclaims THIS UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS as a common standard of achievement for all peoples and all nations,

Article 1. All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

Article 3. Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.


12 posted on 07/04/2010 11:55:51 PM PDT by Retain Mike
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To: jazzpatriot; pandoraou812
President Obama’s nominee for the United States Supreme Court, Elena Kagen, stated emphatically that she didn’t believe in rights that are inherent to us.

That is the mindset of every tyrant and every sociopath that has ever lived. There is no rational basis for liberty or freedom without the concept of inherent individual rights. To think that there isn't is anathema to everything this country was founded on and what has set our law apart from that of every other nation.

13 posted on 07/05/2010 12:36:39 AM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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To: TigersEye

Did you expect any better then somebody like Elena Kagen? Look at all his czars. And the speaker. They are all frightening people. I think he surrounds himself with sociopaths.


14 posted on 07/05/2010 12:52:50 AM PDT by pandoraou812 (Merda taurorum animas conturbit......)
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To: jazzpatriot

Yikes! What makes the Constitution special is that it recognizes that the citizens have rights which are inherent and cannot be ignored. That the state serves the people, not the other way around.


15 posted on 07/05/2010 12:55:58 AM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: pandoraou812

You are right about that. Even the slugs Clinton hired and nominated were hardly as sick or crazy as the people Barry0 comes up with. His Rolodex seems to be filled with the worst that can be found.


16 posted on 07/05/2010 12:58:25 AM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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To: FreeKeys
Excellent quote!

Key take: "...Yet they're still too damned stupid to realize, and too damned ignorant to acknowledge, that altruism is NOT the only moral code available to mankind. (It is, in fact, the bloodiest and most regressive one of all)..."

17 posted on 07/05/2010 6:40:02 AM PDT by rlmorel (We are traveling "The Road to Serfdom".)
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To: FreeKeys; jazzpatriot; All

Thanks for the ping/post and link to great quotes. Thanks for posting, jazzpatriot. Great thread. Belated WELCOME ABOARD!

Here’s hoping that you network with many like-minded patriots.


18 posted on 07/05/2010 7:14:30 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: FreeKeys

bump


19 posted on 07/05/2010 8:59:16 AM PDT by Chickensoup (The Acting President....is an incompetent puppet of Soros.)
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To: jazzpatriot
If Kagan doesn't believe in Inherent Rights, we're all in big trouble!

I very much doubt that her predecessor (Stevens) believes in them either. ...nor does Ginsburg, Sotomayor, or Breyer. So this is nothing new.

20 posted on 07/05/2010 9:03:55 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Mr. Mojo

What do you mean? Stevens considers himself a Conservative, according to some of his interviews.(ha ha) I find it hard to believe that the four of them would dismiss the Declaration of Independence as Kagan is ready to do. Maybe I’m wrong but I find her appointment much more alarming than simply replacing Stevens with another liberal. Atleast Stevens was an experienced judge. Kagan will be a rubber stamp for Obama’s hate filled agenda and a monkey wrench for the Robert’s court that Obama obviously detests


21 posted on 07/05/2010 11:03:50 AM PDT by jazzpatriot
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To: jazzpatriot
Stevens voted with the other socialist/activist judges on the court nearly every time, so there'll be little if any practical difference between him and Kagan. Just pray the four court conservatives and one moderate make it through the Hussein regime.
22 posted on 07/05/2010 11:09:46 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Mr. Mojo
Stevens voted

"Ruled", rather.

23 posted on 07/05/2010 11:27:39 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: rlmorel; PGalt; Chickensoup
Excellent quote!

Yes, I like it myself. These too: ABOUT THAT GAP BETWEEN RICH AND POOR
and
A BRIEF COMPARISON OF POLITICO-ECONOMIC SYSTEMS

24 posted on 07/05/2010 11:35:53 AM PDT by FreeKeys ("Beware the greedy hand of government, thrusting itself into every corner of industry."-Thomas Paine)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Yes, of course, and my concerns for putting Kagen on the court when I wrote this article had more to do with the future than seeing any immediate change. I guess Ginsburg will probably be next to go which wouldn’t change things either unless Obama only has a one term presidency which I think is highly probable. But then again Obama will probably try to figure out a way to cancel elections before that happens. Oh well...enjoy the rest of your holiday weekend...Tom


25 posted on 07/05/2010 2:25:46 PM PDT by jazzpatriot
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To: Nachum
We were in trouble the day Obama walked into the Oval office.

We were in trouble the day Woodrow Wilson walked into office.

We're just in more trouble now because the Progressives 'plan worked.

26 posted on 07/05/2010 4:56:46 PM PDT by elkfersupper (Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: FreeKeys

Thanks for the quotes link. Glad to see some Bastiat and Hernando de Soto sprinkled in there.

OUTSTANDING page!


27 posted on 07/05/2010 8:55:24 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: jazzpatriot

Very nice blogspot, jazzpatriot. Thanks for your continued service to this country.


28 posted on 07/05/2010 9:01:32 PM PDT by PGalt
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