Is Kirk part of a plot to undermine U.S. Senate conservatives?

Illinois Review ^ | July 22, 2010

[tulloss]

Illinois conservative Republicans have a national dilemma mounting right before their eyes. The Hill wrote yesterday that the GOP's Mark Kirk is part of an effort to weaken conservative influence in the U.S. Senate

[tulloss]

We let the ball drop when we could've gotten a good conservative like Pat Hughes in the Senate over Kirk. We can't do the same with Castle (also mentioned here). There's plenty of time to get behind Castle's opponent, Christine O'Donnell. Demint is showing interest in her; maybe Palin will follow up. We can donate now, or curse the darkness for the next six years.

[HANG THE EXPENSE]

This s not anything new.Just look at south carolina and the nancy boy graham.I see a common thread with these two along with other outed republican senators.

[cardinal4]

Just one of many dropped balls-Graham votes to send Kagan to the floor-I am officially done. I’m voting strictly local races. And if the GOP is not going to fight for the real conservative in MO, I’m not playing anymore. “Electability” will be the death of the Conservatism if we continue to follow the GOP..

[La Lydia]

This story says more about The Hill writer’s decidedly left-leaning agenda than about Kirk or conservatives. If for no other reason, Kirk’s election would be one more vote to put the Senate back into Republican hands. Better someone who will vote with you some of the time than someone who never will.

[J Edgar]

Death to RINOs (politically speaking, of course).
This RINO will prevent effective leadership from being appointed in the Senate. I would rather see a CommieCrate take his place, so that effective leadership can be chosen.

[Cacique]

The real problem with the GOP is that we are letting the establishment dictate the candidates to us. It’s time for the rank and file and grass roots conservatives to start moving to take over the local clubs and county chairs. It isn’t just democrats we need to get rid of but incumbent clubhouse leadership as well.

[firebrand]

What is the gist of Mark Levin’s remarks on this? My audio is broken and I’d like to know what he has to say about it.

I tend to agree with La Lydia. Let’s concentrate on the close Senate races that have already passed the primary stage, and support the conservatives in those primary races that are still going on.

We need some energy on this, starting now. Get out the vote is only part of it. We need to GOTP—get out the participation also.

[Freddd]

I dunno, sounds like JournoListing to me...

[MplsSteve]

Uh-oh, a Mark Kirk post. Someone better tell Chicago Lady or BillyBoy.

Initiating the “I Hate Mark Kirk’s Guts” network in 5...4...3...2...

[firebrand]

Just received today:

>>I hope that you can join Mayor Mike Bloomberg and me at my fundraiser on August 17th from 5:30-7:30 p.m. at the home of Arthur Spector, 271 Central Park West, New York City.

Thank you,

Mike Castle<<

Bloomberg supporting him. Need more proof?

Delaware primary the same day as ours: September 14.

[fieldmarshaldj]

*IL Politics Ping*

DEFEAT KIRK !

[fieldmarshaldj]

Thanks, just did. He’s a corrupt Socialist Combiner who MUST be defeated.

[Brimack34]

Levin wants Kirk and Castle to lose but I don not think he knows Castle has a primary. Someone needs to tell him.

[firebrand]

He would rather the Dem win in Illinois? Or is there a third party? I don’t think it serves us well to be spiteful. If there is a conservative/Republican surge in November, possibly the weak sisters who win Republican seats can be dragged along to the front lines, somewhat, ideologically, by the momentum.

[Graybeard58]

Electability” will be the death of the Conservatism if we continue to follow the GOP..

Try telling that to some on this forum concerning the U.S.Senate race here in Illinois. Kirk is as bad as it gets, more liberal than most democrats and I will not vote for him just because he has an "R" behind his name.

I'm not a "purist", I realize that we aren't going to get a candidate to suit me every time, I'm willing to bend on a few minor issues but Kirk is dead wrong on every single issue.

Cap and tax, baby killing, gun grabbing, wrong, wrong, wrong.

[fieldmarshaldj]

Hell, if the guy were even 75% Conservative it would be stupid not to support him, but the biggest problem with him is that he is tainted by his connection to the Combine. Even some Conservatives in IL are tainted by that link.

[cardinal4]

The DNC would never allow these trainwrecks. Their people tow the line or are outside looking in. Our side? Votes for Financial “Reform” and to send Kagan to the floor. That is what hurts me, personally, the most; the destruction of the highest bench. If Sotomayor and Kagan can sail through being the outrageous partisan marxists they are, Bernadine Dohrn should have no problem..

[PhilCollins]

Illinois’ U.S. Senate race will probably have eight candidates, including a Constitution Party candidate, a Libertarian Party candidate, and a conservative independent. A candidate could win with 13% of the vote.

[PhilCollins]

In Feb. 2006, I heard many Republicans say that we should nominate then-Treasurer Judy Topinka, for governor. They said that she would win the general election, since she’s moderate. She won her primary, but, in the general election, she got 38% of the vote. In Jan. 2008, I heard many Republicans say that we should nominate Dr. Steve Sauerberg, for the U.S. Senate. They said that he would win the general election, since he’s moderate. He won his primary, and, in the general election, he got 29% of the vote. These facts prove that, in Illinois statewide elections, moderate Republicans don’t win. Within the past 20 years, Illinois has had one republican U.S. senator, Peter Fitzgerald, a conservative. Since Kirk is liberal, he’ll probably lose.

[firebrand]

Thank you. Which candidate is the best, in your opinion?

[PhilCollins]

The best candidate is Randy Stufflebeam, of the Constitution Party. He’s pro-tax cuts, pro-spending cuts, pro-life, anti-illegal alien, pro-gun, and pro-10th Amendment. He was in the marine corps for 22 years, which is longer than Kirk has been in the navy.

[chicagolady]

www.runrandyrun.com

Randy Stufflebeam 22 year US MARINE!

Giving CONSERVATIVES a CHOICE!!

Get on Board!

[BillyBoy]

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MARK KIRK TRUTH FILE
JUST SAY NO TO SOCIALISM

" "The GREENEST candidate in the race... better than Barack Obama!"
- Carol Calabresa/The Sierra Club, 2008
" The strength of our campaign remains the Democrats"
- Mark Kirk, 2008

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MARK KIRK TRUTH FILE
JUST SAY NO TO SOCIALISM

" "The GREENEST candidate in the race... better than Barack Obama!"
- Carol Calabresa/The Sierra Club, 2008
" The strength of our campaign remains the Democrats"
- Mark Kirk, 2008

Freepmail me to get ON or OFF this list.

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MARK KIRK TRUTH FILE
JUST SAY NO TO SOCIALISM

" "The GREENEST candidate in the race... better than Barack Obama!"
- Carol Calabresa/The Sierra Club, 2008
" The strength of our campaign remains the Democrats"
- Mark Kirk, 2008

Freepmail me to get ON or OFF this list.

MARK KIRK TRUTH FILE
JUST SAY NO TO SOCIALISM

" "The GREENEST candidate in the race... better than Barack Obama!"
- Carol Calabresa/The Sierra Club, 2008
" The strength of our campaign remains the Democrats"
- Mark Kirk, 2008

MARK KIRK TRUTH FILE
JUST SAY NO TO SOCIALISM

" "The GREENEST candidate in the race... better than Barack Obama!"
- Carol Calabresa/The Sierra Club, 2008
" The strength of our campaign remains the Democrats"
- Mark Kirk, 2008

[Impy]

Well if the Green gets a high level of support Stufflebeam could conceivably win if conservatives support him.

But not with 13%. More like 30% at a minimum.

Unfortunately I think part of the Green's rise in the polls came out of Kirk's hide. Same thing happened in 2006 in the Gov race, Republicans (and Democrats) cast protest votes for the far-left Green when they should have cast them for the Constitution Party of Libertarians instead.

We'd need Stufflebeam to get more attention (is he even registering in current polling?) and become the consensus conservative alternative and we'd need the Green to take a big chunk from the rat (and not leech any GOP protest voters from Stufflebeam).

Not an impossible scenario but I wouldn't bet on it happening. Lest my some miracle Kirk is forced off the ticket I fear he will hand this seat to Alexi.

The silver lining is he may be forced from office on criminal charges.

[PhilCollins]

100 divided by 8 = 12.5. Therefore, if the race has eight candidates, someone could win with 13% of the vote. I hope that Stufflebeam’s goal will be 25%.

[usconservative]

If there is a conservative/Republican surge in November, possibly the weak sisters who win Republican seats can be dragged along to the front lines, somewhat, ideologically, by the momentum.

Not Mark Kirk. Can you tell me of any other so-called "fiscally conservative" republican, as Mark Kirk claims to be, that voted for "cap and trade?"

Mark Kirk did. He also recently announced that if he were in the U.S. Senate he'd vote to confirm Kagan saying he believes she'd be a "moderate voice" on the USSC.

Mark Kirk is a threat to our Constitutional Republic and must be removed like the cancer he is.

[usconservative]

I heard many Republicans say that we should nominate then-Treasurer Judy Topinka, for governor. They said that she would win the general election, since she’s moderate. She won her primary, but, in the general election, she got 38% of the vote.

Judy Barr STUPINKA lost that race because she was nothing more than a George Ryan corrupt machine RINO-MODERATE, and she couldn't shake the STENCH of her own endorsement of Ryan four years prior.

[firebrand]

He has switched his opinion on cap and trade, saying it was a vote that was good for his region, and he is now spoken of by his Dem opponent as having moved to the right.

But I cede to the Illinois freepers on this. They know best what's happening there. I know far too well, from politics in New York State, how conservatives in the Republican party can be feared and plotted against by the RINOs.

Kirk needs to make more conservative statements between now and the election. Don't forget, Scott Brown said he would vote with the Dems sometimes. He didn't lie. We were so happy to have that vote against Obamao care that we wanted him anyway. This could be a slightly different situation. He would be smart to make as many promises that we like before the election as he can.

[PhilCollins]

Since Rep. Kirk is my congressman, I know that he’s not fiscally conservative. According to www.vote-smart.org, these are some of Rep. Kirk’s latest interest group ratings: Planned Parenthood, 100%; NEA, A; Americans for Democratic Action, 55%; AFL-CIO, 47%; American Conservative Union, 48%; Club for Growth, 42%; National Taxpayers Union, C-; Citizens Against Government Waste, 33%; John Birch Society, 25%; Concerned Women of America, 23%; and Gun Owners of America, F-. Since he usually disagrees with Club for Growth, National Taxpayers Union, and Citizens Against Government Waste, that proves that he’s not fiscally conservative.

Even if, during the next three months, Kirk says that he’s conservative, I’ll think that he’s lying, since, during his 9.5 years, in the U.S. House, he usually voted with the liberal Democrats.

[firebrand]

Noted.

I see also that his votes on the life issue and the 2nd Amendment are totally at odds with conservative values.

[Impy]

Yes if all the candidates have a similar low level of support.

But the Libertarian and any independents aren’t getting close to that much. And Alexi won’t get that little. The die hard ‘who cares if they are a criminal’ rat vote is higher than 13%.

[usconservative]

I see also that his votes on the life issue and the 2nd Amendment are totally at odds with conservative values.

And then there's the rumor's that he's a closet homosexual. Personally, I think the guy oughtta switch to the Democrat party, they'd love him!

[spintreebob]

As one who has often collected signatures and campaigned door-to-door for 3rd party candidates the 3rd party vote is overwhelmingly not a vote for that 3rd party candidate, it is a vote AGAINST the major party candidates.

It should be understood that most of the swing vote just between the major party candidates is a vote AGAINST the other major party candidate and not a vote for the other major party candidate.

The best example is the Lyndon LaRouche candidates in the Dem primary for Lt Gov. The lamestream media won’t admit that the voters knew exactly what they were doing. They were consciously voting against the annointed candidate and saying that even a wacko was better than the annointed.

[Impy]

The best example is the Lyndon LaRouche candidates in the Dem primary for Lt Gov. The lamestream media won’t admit that the voters knew exactly what they were doing. They were consciously voting against the annointed candidate and saying that even a wacko was better than the annointed.

Interesting. But surely a goodly % must have had no idea who any of the candidates were in the SOS and LT Gov races?

[spintreebob]

At least in IL, the list of votes AGAINST somebody rather than FOR somebody is the game changer.

Of course, the best example is voting against Sem Sen. Al-the-Pal-Dixon because it was really a vote against Peoria’s GOP House Minority Leader Bob Michel who set up Williamson to take a dive against Dixon and told Republicans they would vote for Dixon.

Williamson is now our GOP National Committeeman. Doesn’t it warm your cockles that an (alleged) Republican who ran for US Senate as a Republican to take a dive against an invincible Democrat we knocked off int he primary... that is the stooge now filling the shoew of Kjellander?

[MaritS]

Thank goodness for a reality check. People thinking that they can get true far-right conservative candidates out of states like Illinois are out of their mind. The best that can be hoped for is people who are conservative and support the party some of the time which is why I would DAMN SURE take Olympia Snowe or Susan Collins over a Democrat in their position.

What people should be looking at is outing the RINO’s in the conservative strongholds, aberrations such as Lindsay Graham simply should not exist.

Lindsay Graham would be acceptable as a senator from NY, CA or IL, not sure SC, not sure what the people there were thinking.