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The Obama Factor In West Virginia
TalkingSides.com ^ | 07/23/10 | CaroleL

Posted on 07/23/2010 12:04:45 PM PDT by CaroleL

The primaries to determine the candidates who will battle for the seat vacated by the late Senator Robert Byrd (D-West Virginia) are little more than a month away. But most who are watching the race believe it will be a contest between Governor Joe Manchin (D) and Republican industrialist John Raese. The latest poll shows the Governor with a significant 16 point lead (51% - 35%) so should we put this one in the Democratic win column? Not yet.

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TOPICS: Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: byrd; manchin; raese; westvirginia; wv2010

1 posted on 07/23/2010 12:04:50 PM PDT by CaroleL
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To: CaroleL

Not yet? Of course not yet...we have some time until November...this will be a huge hurdle but never give up.


2 posted on 07/23/2010 12:10:58 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: napscoordinator
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3 posted on 07/23/2010 12:16:11 PM PDT by b4its2late (Losing a wife can be hard. In my case it was almost impossible.)
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To: CaroleL

‘Although Governor Manchin is considered a centrist, he has strongly supported President Obama’s far-left policies including health care reform.’

There’s that word again, centrist.

He is no centrist. Journolisting


4 posted on 07/23/2010 12:18:11 PM PDT by Freddd (CNN is down to Three Hundred Thousand viewers. But they worked for it.)
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To: CaroleL

As a proud Virginian, there is a reason West Virginia separated from Virginia, they are retards.


5 posted on 07/23/2010 12:21:07 PM PDT by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: napscoordinator

I would think,as the author seems to,once its a one on one race it will tighten considerably. Nothing like a clear choice to crystalize opinion.


6 posted on 07/23/2010 12:21:59 PM PDT by wiggen (Government owned slave.)
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To: equalitybeforethelaw

Excuse me?


7 posted on 07/23/2010 12:27:56 PM PDT by FLAMING DEATH (Are you better off than you were $4 trillion ago?)
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To: FLAMING DEATH

“Excuse me?”

You spelled everything correctly. You are excused.


8 posted on 07/23/2010 12:32:08 PM PDT by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: CaroleL

Can someone explain WV to me... This is a fairly strong red state. Bush won big. Even McCain crushed Obama here (during the Dem tsunami). And Obama’s state approval is at 34%.

Yet, they elect statewide Dems. What gives.. Is this a Dixiecrat mentality?


9 posted on 07/23/2010 12:36:06 PM PDT by nhwingut (Palin/Bachmann '12)
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To: equalitybeforethelaw

You most certainly AREN’T excused, since we’re checking writing skills.

Seems you used a comma in your original post where you should have used a semicolon, or perhaps started a new sentence.

Nevertheless, this “retard” will take the high road and avoid name calling and taking a chance on offending like-minded individuals who come to this forum. It’s called “class”.

I’ll admit, lots of West Virginians are stupid. But so is making a gross generalization like that.


10 posted on 07/23/2010 12:39:39 PM PDT by FLAMING DEATH (Are you better off than you were $4 trillion ago?)
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To: equalitybeforethelaw
Obozo managed to fool more than 52% of Virginia voters whereas he fooled less than 43% of those in West Virginia last time around. Hard to beleive this was the same state which voted to re-elect Jimmy Carter over Ronald Reagan in 1980.
11 posted on 07/23/2010 12:42:45 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: FLAMING DEATH

“I’ll admit, lots of West Virginians are stupid. But so is making a gross generalization like that.”

You are a man of great restraint. I admire that. I will retract my assertion that all of WVA is retarded. I will gladly note that the fishing in WVA is splendid. Should WVA surprise me and elect a Republican Governor, I will happily state to any and all that WVA is fine by me. Lets see what happens. You guys flunked the first test in 1860, lets see how you score in 2010?


12 posted on 07/23/2010 12:46:10 PM PDT by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: Vigilanteman

“Obozo managed to fool more than 52% of Virginia voters whereas he fooled less than 43% of those in West Virginia last time around.”

We started the take back with the Governor’s election. There will be no happy tales of campaign success for the obamawankers in VA. Hopefully, WVA will be able to say the same.


13 posted on 07/23/2010 12:50:05 PM PDT by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: Freddd

Someone should make an updated graph or line chart that shows where certain words are falling on the liberal-conservative line.

I have a feeling the word “centrist” is closer to liberal than it is to the true center.

Evidenced buy the Left willing to be called centrist and a true conservative would never want to be called centrist as currently defined. Even though conservatism is truly the norm(center point) for the country in terms of where people really stand, at least for now.


14 posted on 07/23/2010 1:03:32 PM PDT by BookaT (My cat's breath smells like cat food!)
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To: CaroleL

I repeat the question asked above, if any West Virginian’s on here can answer.....why would WV go blue? This is a coal mining state, proud hard working Americans, the kind that liberals insult as bible toting, clinging to their guns and religion. Plus the 0 has said several times that he will shut coal mines down.

why oh why do they keep voting for Dem politicians...Byrd, and now this Manchin dude? Please explain the WV mindset. I wholly respect our hardworking AMERICAN coal miners, which is why i am confused that the state woudl vote so stupidly for liberals.


15 posted on 07/23/2010 1:09:43 PM PDT by DecentAmerican
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To: nhwingut

I will explain WV.

It is Texas and Georgia and Alabama but stuck in 1972. Most of the notable statewide or federal Dems are Pro Life, Pro NRA, Pro Small Business. Like Former State Senator, Then Secretary of State, Now Governor and soon to be Senator, Joe Manchin.

The Republicans, like Congresswoman Capito and the GOP Chairman, are pro big coal, and pro choice.

Rich Republicans and big coal vs the little labor circa 1920s has NOT been forgotten.

When everyone knows JOE and where he came from, and then they contrast to Pro Choice, Pro Homo, Rich Republicans like Capito and Millionaire John Raese, it is a no brainer.

Raese will not get 35%. If he spends 18 million or if he DIES tomorrow and thus spends NOTHING.

He will get 32-35% from broken glass Republicans who live in the northern panhandle DC area. Capito’s district.

The rest of the state will vote for Manchin. Including half the Republicans who are Pro Life!

West Virginians for Life, West Virgina Family Council, West Virgina NRA will ALL endorse Manchin.

Raese is a 3 time loser who can’t break into the 40’s spending millions and owning all the radio stations in the state!!

Raese is supported by the same folks who support CRIST, MCCAIN, SNOWE, GRAHAM, SPECTOR and the rest of the RINOs.

This is why. This is WV. All the GOP are RINOs, and the Dems are all still 1972 Southern “Phil Gramm and Sam Nunn” types.

Unless one of the other 10 GOP candidates is smart enough to beat Raese and then able to raise money, no chance of anything but SSDD coming out of WV anytime in this lifetime.

Whoever wins this one, is Senator for LIFE.


16 posted on 07/23/2010 1:13:29 PM PDT by RachelFaith (2010 is going to be a 100 seat Tsunami - Unless the GOP Senate ruins it all...)
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To: FLAMING DEATH

As someone who was born and raised in South Western Virginia before moving to West Virginia, I believe I know why WV votes the way it does.

The people, by and large, are socially conservative and fairly devout Christians but have bought into the idea that the Democratic Party is the party of the working man. I suspect there are various factors at work to produce this idea, but not the least of which is the massive amount of people who are employed in the mining industry.

Those who have any experience with this industry will understand that, while most mines are not unionized, they are also inherantly dangerous and the idea that “a non-unionized mine is a dangerous mine” becomes subconciously attached to the idea that the Democrats, who support the Unions, are “for the working man” because they support Unionized mines, a.k.a. “safe mines”.

The far South Western portions of Virginia as well as the Eastern portions of Kentucky are much the same in terms of social and religious backgrounds and have a fairly common history of electing Republicans to the White House but also voting for Democrats at other levels of government, including Congress. The major thing that they all have in common is a massive reliance upon the mining industry.


17 posted on 07/23/2010 1:32:48 PM PDT by paladin1_dcs
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To: RachelFaith

Great analysis and I don’t doubt a word of it. But I’m wondering what you think about my hypothesis in the original article - will the voters of West Virginia go against their traditional Democratic loyalties this time around because a vote for Machin is a vote for one more Senator that will support the Obama agenda?


18 posted on 07/23/2010 1:45:37 PM PDT by CaroleL
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To: RachelFaith

Good points,and a well reasoned anlaysis (with a nice writing style to boot) but the same argument could have been applied to the Deep South in the 60’s....and now it’s pretty solidly Red..As the Dem party moves further left..and is taken over more and more by the crazies, WV will go RED..it’s just a question of when...I suspect that many Dems/ indies who will not vote for Manchen, aren’t comfortable saying that now to a pollster..it’s a fairly taciturn state..BTW...what’s with Shelly.can/is she going to run for BOTH her House seat and the Senate?


19 posted on 07/23/2010 1:50:15 PM PDT by ken5050 (Save the Earth..It's the only planet with chocolate!!!)
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To: CaroleL; ken5050

More....

NO Shelly did not take advantage of the “LBJ” loophole and will NOT run. She may NEVER run depending on WHO else does. She would need to run against a VERY liberal “new” Dem to beat them.

Raese cannot get more than 35%. Period. Ever. No matter HOW much “McCain spin he puts on it. He is known by the right wing in the GOP and a total rich cat by the poor Dems.

ZERO Cross over for him.

Now... someone ELSE could take advantage of the “effect” sweeping the nation. But know it is NOT Sweeping WV.

Manchin will LIE and be BELIEVED. Let that go.

Without 1 million PLUS in Mail all Negative and a relentless grassroots effort, no one can beat him.

But, politics is like football. The 10-6 Giants CAN beat the 19-0 Patriots.

And it IS possible to BEAT “Status Quo Joe”. But it is not John Raese. Rumors had it a State Senator Clark Barnes might run, but it looks like he knew he couldn’t raise money.

So that leaves only one other half serious guy and he has issues to overcome. Mac Warner.

Warners can raise money, but they don’t HAVE money. And they have connections but burned bridges from the primary for Governor a few years back.

If he could beat Raese in a Primary and NOT alienate the GOP moderates... he COULD in theory tie Manchin to Obama and get that 11% swing vote in a low turnout year and win.

But it is a Giants vs Patriots one in a thousand long long shot.

The real problem is the State Party. RINOS. Pro Aborts. Sodomites. And they HATE Warner’s clan more than they hate Dems. I dunno HOW you get past that with a Primary and only 4 weeks to do it.

A miracle?

Yeah, about that level.

God comes down and stops the bullets.

Anything less, and we get LIBERAL JOE for dot ever!!


20 posted on 07/23/2010 2:30:15 PM PDT by RachelFaith (2010 is going to be a 100 seat Tsunami - Unless the GOP Senate ruins it all...)
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To: RachelFaith

Thanks for that explanation. It’s a shame that WV is that way, sending Democrts to Congress, oblivious to what they do to the rest of the country. Obviously, they are not informed enough to understand the damage that they do.


21 posted on 07/23/2010 4:45:40 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: OldPossum

They are no more or less informed than the people in SC who send us DeMint and Graham. Or those in Iowa who give us Grasley And Harkin. Politicians lie and many people are deceived. Nothing much more than that.


22 posted on 07/23/2010 4:59:30 PM PDT by RachelFaith (2010 is going to be a 100 seat Tsunami - Unless the GOP Senate ruins it all...)
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To: RachelFaith

Granted, it’s a problem in other states. But it seems to me that WV, with its collection of pretty ignorant folks, is pretty consistent in sending Democrat senators to Washington.

At least Graham is on the rolls as a Republican and counts for majority purposes.

But I have especial reference to Alabama, also a state with people of limited education, which nevertheless has the good sense to send two conservative and effective Republican senators and a large collection of conservative Republican congressmen. Even the few Democrats they send appear to be conservative.


23 posted on 07/23/2010 5:32:32 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: OldPossum

That’s what I am saying. It’s not that the people in WV are somehow dumber than average. They are JUST as average, it is that the POLITICIANS in WV are damn good liars.

Do you remember the famous Shotgun photo in 2004 with John Kerry in WV? He went to a rally and held up a shotgun. John KERRY. Claiming he was PRO GUN and guess what ELSE... anti-gay and pro traditional marriage. I am NOT Kidding. He claimed on tape, that it was Bush Appointed Judges who invented gay laws and he would appoint honorable judges.

I was there as a volunteer for Victory2004 that summer. Working in DC and we all went to WV following Kerry for 3 days. At the rally, many out of state Kerry staff were there too. And so we both (sided) talked while handing out our opposing lit. We each snuck copies from our supporters of the other sides lit too.

And Kerry was passing out a PRO FAMILY PRO GUN ANTI GAY ANT CHOICE lit piece.

There was a VERY BUTCH, obviously totally lez young girl working for Kerry and we struck up a conversation during a half an hour of work... and I asked her...

Pardon me, but you strike me as a very pro choice, pro gay rights liberal feminist, yes?

She readily admitted it. YES, VERY MUCH SO.

So, I pulled out my copy of her lit and said. HOW CAN YOU PASS THIS OUT ??

She smiled and said, the Dems here are stuck in the 1950s so we HAVE TO LIE TO WIN.

Proud of it.

I was shocked and she just laughed at me and smiled like she was sooooo smarter than us.

So what happened?

The Dems in WV knew Kerry was a Liar and Bush won by 20+ points.

But, they also know their local county Dem IS PRO LIFE and PRO GUN and the GOP Candidate is a RINO Squish.

That is the fault of the State GOP and their Pro Choice Abortion Doctor Chairman.

I wouldn’t vote for him or his candidates either if I lived there and I am as well informed as they get.

Until the GOP actually changes and runs REAL Conservatives and until the Dems are actually MORE LIBERAL than the GOP... expect the Dems to win 2 to 1 in WV. And expect a few liberal dems to LIE.

But the people aren’t hicks or stupid. Any more or less than people anywhere else.


24 posted on 07/23/2010 11:28:35 PM PDT by RachelFaith (2010 is going to be a 100 seat Tsunami - Unless the GOP Senate ruins it all...)
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