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On The Failure Of The Conservative Model
August 25, 2010 | j.argese

Posted on 07/25/2010 7:45:01 AM PDT by j.argese

While you were working to provide for your family, your children were indoctrinated by government schools.

While you were quietly awaited your chance to cast your vote, others were registering questionable applicants and taking seats on electoral boards.

While you reassured yourself "Conservatives don't do that", others were busy organizing, mobilizing and protesting to amplify their small numbers.

While you engaged in your normal, day to day business, others infiltrated and appropriated the media, academia, government, foundations.

While we accept one television station, supporting our point of view 50% of the time, the majority of the outlets disseminate the minority view continuously.

We can continue our minority majority status and applaud our micro-victories or we can change our strategy. My apologies for the wake up call but the choice is only ours.


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1 posted on 07/25/2010 7:45:03 AM PDT by j.argese
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I’m not sure what part of “the conservative model” requires passive acquiescence to all affronts. That has never been part of my model, and I don’t know of any other conservatives who live by that model.


2 posted on 07/25/2010 7:48:20 AM PDT by PhatHead
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To: j.argese

Since you have all the answers, I expect to see your ass on the line. What ballot are you on?

If you’re not running for an office, then you are another “perfect candidate” resting on their butts telling everyone else what the problems are but offering no solutions. In other words, worthless.


3 posted on 07/25/2010 7:50:11 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: j.argese

The Conservative model isn’t about passive letting things happen, that is actually a liberal model- waiting for someone else (usually the government) to do the job that you should be doing. Conservative at its core is about the individual, thus, a true Conservative individual wouldn’t be passive in any of these instances, they would be active- not demanding government fix the problems, but taking a proactive-approach to each of these.

Don’t like how your kids are being taught, change their schools or teach them yourself.

Don’t like what is happening with elections, run for an office, become a poll watcher, or become active in the community.

Etc, etc..


4 posted on 07/25/2010 7:51:56 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: j.argese
"While you were working to provide for your family, your children were indoctrinated by government schools."

Not if you never bought into the scam of secular humanism and sent your children to private religious schools. If more did that, the NEA's monopoly would come to an end.

5 posted on 07/25/2010 7:52:28 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: PhatHead
"I’m not sure what part of “the conservative model” requires passive acquiescence to all affronts. That has never been part of my model, and I don’t know of any other conservatives who live by that model."

Nothing requires it, but it's been a part and parcel of the actual behaviour of conservatives (and, quite frankly, most non-liberals) since at least the 50s. Read Wm. F. Buckley, Jr.'s book God and Man at Yale, published in 1951, and you will see in embryo most of the liberal, neo-fascist doctrines and policies that are being forced down our throats today.

The same things were going on even then - good people ignoring what was going on in their childrens' educations, and ignoring transparently political biases in media, and on and on.
6 posted on 07/25/2010 7:52:55 AM PDT by Oceander (The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance -- Thos. Jefferson)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

but, but.. he is a warrior... a super dooper warrior, typing away, clickty click, about everything everyone else should be doing.. and playing warcraft.


7 posted on 07/25/2010 7:53:15 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: mnehring

Nah, if he played Warcraft he would know the truism: You spank it, you tank it.

The fact that he spanked this discussion should have clued him in that people wouldn’t just fall all over themselves thanking him for pointing out the problems. Heck, Obama can do that.

The solutions, and the plan to get the solutions going are the hard part. So unless he had been stuck trying to kill Hogger for 3 years, he doesn’t play Warcraft.


8 posted on 07/25/2010 7:59:56 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Oceander

I think you are confusing “normal human behavior” with what you are terming “the conservative model.” Most people are apolitical - before, during and after the “liberal indoctrination” of the public schools. Most people do not vote based on issues at all. We often wish they did, but they don’t, and political consultants will never admit that the vast majority don’t care about issues and don’t pay any attention. That’s how Alvin Greene got elected.

Yet, when asked to self identify their own leanings, conservatives outnumber liberals 2 to 1, so the indoctrination appears to need a little fine-tuning.

I’ll agree with you if you want to make a point about the failure of elected (nominal) conservatives to actually act on their professed beliefs - because the people have voted for the right folks plenty often enough - but you sound like you’re blaming the victim.

And, yes, “the same things were going on” sixty years ago - and a thousand years ago. There is nothing new under the sun, and today is not the end of history.


9 posted on 07/25/2010 8:01:04 AM PDT by PhatHead
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To: mnehring; Anitius Severinus Boethius
I was under the impression the appropriate protocol was to "ping" an individual to whom you were making reference.

So now you have deemed those who write as "warriors"? Would you consider Limbaugh, Steyn, Sowell, ad infinitum as "warriors" as well? And no, I don't consider myself in their league but you made the initial remark, let us read your definition.

10 posted on 07/25/2010 8:03:06 AM PDT by j.argese (Liberal thought process = oxymoron)
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To: j.argese

It was your thread, no need to. IE, you were already on the thread so why ping you to it?


11 posted on 07/25/2010 8:03:48 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: mnehring
The flaw is that conservatives have values; honesty, truthfullness, belief that we are responsible for our own success, etc. We naturally believe that others are like us. When it comes to libs/progressives we are dead wrong. They have no values; their mantra is "whatever I can get away with". Their "values" include only plotting and scheming and any corrupt means to achieve their ends. We are accustomed to fair dealings, being able to trust your neighbor's word. They are used to "screw you before you can screw me". Wanna bet that the guy who parks at the yellow curb at the shopping center is a lib? My bet is that it is 99% certain. "Me first; screw you".

I hope we (and especially our Repub office holders) begin to recognize the corruption of the Democratic officials and followers and start treating them like the slime-balls they are.

We need to vote them all out; pressure all elected office holders to "roll back" to Constitutional (i.e., the "Contract" between and amongst the states) principles, severely CUT BACK the size (by 75%) of the government at all levels and return to spending on necessities, not all the "nice to have" B.S.

Sorry for the rant, but I am so sick of the corruption and the so-called MSM.

12 posted on 07/25/2010 8:05:34 AM PDT by Thom Pain (2 + 2 = 4 : Defending the Constitution is CENTRIST; not RIGHT WING! Don't be labeled!)
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To: mnehring

Consider that he is telling the truth. Here is an example of the people he refers to.

As an example, a friend stood overlooking his boat (45’, largest diesels CAT could fit in the hull), docked in front of his home in Palmetto, FL. His cameras cost about 250,000 bucks - the energy industry was good to him.

“If Hillary wins, they’ll raise my taxes so much I may have to sell this place”. What he thought when the Alinsky Community Organizer became POTUS can only be imagined.

The money line is that he did not spend to defend what he had earned.

Therefore, he is the rightful prey of Obama and his Regime.

Tom knew all about the history of socialism in America, as we had discussed it since college.

Most Americans are like animals in a socialist stall in that they feed, breed, and eventually die.

ANtonio Gramsci told the commies to take a generation or two and take over academia and the agencies. Only then could communism occur in America

They did. It is occurring right now.


13 posted on 07/25/2010 8:08:14 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: mnehring

Consider that he is telling the truth. Here is an example of the people he refers to.

As an example, a friend stood overlooking his boat (45’, largest diesels CAT could fit in the hull), docked in front of his home in Palmetto, FL. His cameras cost about 250,000 bucks - the energy industry was good to him.

“If Hillary wins, they’ll raise my taxes so much I may have to sell this place”. What he thought when the Alinsky Community Organizer became POTUS can only be imagined.

The money line is that he did not spend to defend what he had earned.

Therefore, he is the rightful prey of Obama and his Regime.

Tom knew all about the history of socialism in America, as we had discussed it since college.

Most Americans are like animals in a socialist stall in that they feed, breed, and eventually die.

ANtonio Gramsci told the commies to take a generation or two and take over academia and the agencies. Only then could communism occur in America

They did. It is occurring right now.


14 posted on 07/25/2010 8:08:31 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius; mnehring; All
Again, I'll excuse the oversight of the polite ping.

What's Warcraft?

I wasn't pointing out anything except the slow surrender by Conservatives. You know the ones who are going to educate conservatism one person at a time. The ones who are going to support their vanity/boutique candidates and damn those who actually have the possibility of winning.

I didn't claim to have all the answers. I didn't claim to have one answer. I do have to say, what we're doing now isn't doing a whole lot, is it?

15 posted on 07/25/2010 8:09:17 AM PDT by j.argese (Liberal thought process = oxymoron)
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To: mnehring

Perhaps “ping” isn’t the proper term. I always thought if an individual was being spoken about, it’s good manners to let them know.


16 posted on 07/25/2010 8:10:50 AM PDT by j.argese (Liberal thought process = oxymoron)
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To: j.argese

The failure is the American voter.


17 posted on 07/25/2010 8:11:45 AM PDT by bmwcyle (It is Satan's fault)
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To: j.argese
Again, I'll excuse the oversight of the polite ping.

You might want to climb down off that high horse of yours.

Your not being pinged was not an oversight. As you have already been told, courtesy pings to the originator of a thread are not common practice on FR. They're only used when someone gets mentioned who is not already participating in the discussion.

18 posted on 07/25/2010 8:22:35 AM PDT by Bob
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To: j.argese

You may not know what Warcraft is, and that’s what I suggested anyway, but do you know who “Captain Obvious” is?

We know all of these problems. Why did you feel it neccesary to point them out? Unless you have solutions, it’s more than worthless to point out where we are failing. It’s demoralizing.

At a time where there are conservative candidates running for offices in higher numbers than has been seen in decades, at a time where liberal Republicans are losing primaries to novice politicians, at a time when the most liberal President in 30 years looks to be heading to lame duck status half way through his only term, it’s at this time that you want to point out what the problems have been?!?

We know! That’s why there is a ground swell of non-political people standing up against it!

And you never ping the author of a thread, it’s assumed that he reads every post.

You spank it, you tank it. If you don’t know what that means, look it up and learn a valuable life lesson rather than post a meaningless and demoralizing thread.


19 posted on 07/25/2010 8:29:10 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Bob; mnehring; Anitius Severinus Boethius
You may note, I addressed the situation. The time between the two posts was prior to the correction.

Thanks for your attention.

20 posted on 07/25/2010 8:31:00 AM PDT by j.argese (Liberal thought process = oxymoron)
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