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New Tax To Force Citizens To Pay For Water: Prediction
http://wmbriggs.com/blog/?p=2703 ^ | William M Briggs

Posted on 07/30/2010 4:00:02 AM PDT by mattstat

Away back in March, I predicted that if Obamacare passed, we citizens would eventually foot the bill for homeopathic treatments. This evidence for this forecast was inductive, in two parts.

The first was that rumors were had that homeopathic language was written into the bill (yes, in more ways than one). These vague insinuations could not then be pinned down, mostly because the bill was so long that our betters in Congress never bothered to read it to explain it to us.

The Senate had also previously meddled with the NIH to force it to pay attention to complimentary treatments. Complimentary in the sense of rarely efficacious and sometimes harmful. It created the National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine and gave it loads of our money to dispense. Which—can you guess?—it did.

Because government has broached these subjects before, and because certain of our betters are inclined towards the idea, it is likely that the bureaucrats in charge of writing the rules and regulations originating from the new law will include avenues for complementary treatments—like acupuncture, chiropractic, and homeopathy.

Our second piece of evidence was that other countries with socialized medicine, upon creating their own small panels of experts to decide the medical fates of their countries—this is, after all, the definition of socialism—included mandatory payments for homeopathy.

From a purely financial point of view, this might not be as insane as it first sounds. As...

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TOPICS: Politics; Science
KEYWORDS: 2a; capandtrade; corruption; crime; glennbeck; homeopathy; obamacare

1 posted on 07/30/2010 4:00:07 AM PDT by mattstat
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To: mattstat
“Once you price CO2 and put a price on it, you find, as you would with any other product, it tends to be rationed. We as a people on this planet have lived under the false concept that air and water were free. And we’ve learned with a planet of 7 billion people, that we have to ration these precious goods. And the good old price system is the best way to do it.”

-Richard Sandor, father of the carbon trading scam.
2 posted on 07/30/2010 4:01:49 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: cripplecreek

Collecting and using rainwater in my state was entirely illegal in my state until this month, when the law changed to “graciously” allow private citizens to collect 200 gallons above ground, 2500 below ground, for personal use.

After that though, it’s anyone guess. One day, we may all end up being fleeing water felons. That isn’t a joke. They’re already attempting to outlaws the home growing of personal food for bogus public safety reasons. Mine isn’t the only state to outlaw rainwater collection, but It’s the only one I know of that modified the law in bureaucratic benevolence to allow us some of the water that falls from the sky, FROM GOD, not from the water authority. It’s getting worse out there each and every single day.

More on the water at the link (Goes to SHTFplan.com article:

“It’s Not a Right: Government Outlaws Rainwater Collection”

http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/its-not-a-right-government-outlaws-rainwater-collection_07282010


3 posted on 07/30/2010 4:10:32 AM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: JDW11235

P.S. Glenn Beck also talked about the food production bill on his show. (Just as a point of reference). I dunno how far it’s made it through yet. I believe it’s passed the House, working through the Senate.


4 posted on 07/30/2010 4:13:00 AM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: mattstat

I suspect about half of all visits to physicians are unnecessary, the years of medical training providing little more than an placebo effect. A smart homeopath can act as a filter and direct really sick people to a conventional physician and placate the rest. It is kinda cost effective, as you pointed out.


5 posted on 07/30/2010 4:13:08 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The naked casuistry of the high priests of Warmism would make a Jesuit blush.)
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To: JDW11235

Personally I think economic warfare is being conducted on michigan (with the help of willing dupes) as a means of evacuating the state. I think water is the reason.

After all, we sit in the middle of a huge portion of the world’s fresh water and our usage of it is nearly impossible to control.


6 posted on 07/30/2010 4:18:03 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: cripplecreek

I would just like to add, that I didn’t read the article until after my knee jerk post, so it was a little off topic. However, the same underlying concept, i think is there. We’re being strong armed into paying for worthless things to just grown government bureaucracy.

Can you tell me more about Michigna. I know about the white flight of decades past, from Detroit, but I’m not that well informed about anything else. I only know of the unions there. Thanks in advance.


7 posted on 07/30/2010 4:23:05 AM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Years ago, in college, in one of my Statistics classes, i had a professor who used to be a statistician for a major drug company. He would speak at length about how numbers were manipulated and that many meds (he referred often to anti-depressants and the like), had almost NO effect beyond that of a placebo, and how the stats were manipulated in order to get the drugs passed.

He was highly critical of drug companies use of statistics, not against pharmacueticals in general, but the ones regarding mental health, as that is where his expertise was based. It was a very eye opening experience to me. I don’t view western medicine as anything other than really good at saving lives during trauma (I have had 5 years of education in the Medical field by the way). I believe that the taxpayer should not foot the bill for medical expenses, but that if it has to, it shouldn’t cover unhealthy lifestyles beyond a point (the point that that person paid into the system).

I don’t believe that the government should dictate how people live their lives, but I don’t think it should subsidize unhealthy behavior either. We’d all be better off if government was out of Healthcare entirely. I just am not in agreement with ME paying for medical treatment of smokers, Fast Food Feed baggers, and the like. Let each pay for himself (or have benevolent donors help, which I would, with say, the elderly), and let man be responsible for his own actions.

It’s an age old war, starting from before the beginning of the Earth, that we will be held accountable for our actions (and to be frank, Will need a Saviour), but there is a liar that gets people to believe that people do not reap what they sow and can do as they please. As much as it sounds like Obama, it’s not, but they seem to be cut from the same cloth. —David


8 posted on 07/30/2010 4:33:41 AM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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MattStats in his persona as William Briggs likes to trumpet the slogan, “Statistical significance must die!” Of course, without statistical significance how would we ever know the difference between a placebo and an effective treatment?

Medical trial protocols are designed to erect barriers that prevent wishful thinking, placebo effects and manipulation from affecting outcomes. I'm sure there are ways of overcoming those barriers, if you approach the problem with the correct amount of intellectual dishonesty.

9 posted on 07/30/2010 4:45:20 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The naked casuistry of the high priests of Warmism would make a Jesuit blush.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

I agree. My professor’s main take on that very issue was describing tactics used by statisticians/researchers to throw out as many of the “Outliers” (not true outliers in many cases), and the small fudging of the data from there.

Who would want to get rid of statistical significance? Except the relativists among us, but they don’t accomplish much...


10 posted on 07/30/2010 4:50:32 AM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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The problem with outliers is that they challenge the assumption of normality (i.e., conforming to a Gaussian distribution). Since most problems are outliers, occur outside of the normal envelope, ignoring them or rejecting them, guarantees that you will ignore most problems. It’s like proving all odd numbers greater than 1 are prime:

3 - check
5 - check
7 - check
9 - experimental error
11 - check
13 - check
15 - experimental error
17 - check
19 - check

! out of funding...

Based on observational studies, we can state that within the bounds of experimental error all odd numbers greater than 1 are prime at the 95 percent confidence level. We are requesting funding to explore the issue in more detail.


11 posted on 07/30/2010 5:07:45 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The naked casuistry of the high priests of Warmism would make a Jesuit blush.)
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To: mattstat
I already pay my town for water. It's not called a tax though.

ML/NJ

12 posted on 07/30/2010 5:16:03 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

LOL, wow, you nailed that. :)


13 posted on 07/30/2010 5:36:32 AM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

“Medical trial protocols are designed to erect barriers that prevent wishful thinking, placebo effects and manipulation from affecting outcomes.”

You wish.


14 posted on 07/30/2010 5:49:07 AM PDT by Seruzawa (If you agree with the French raise your hand - If you are French raise both hands.)
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I'm sure there are ways of overcoming those barriers, if you approach the problem with the correct amount of intellectual dishonesty.
15 posted on 07/30/2010 7:49:56 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The naked casuistry of the high priests of Warmism would make a Jesuit blush.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
A smart homeopath ... a probably would charge as much as the current MDs acting as gatekeepers.

If the pharmas aren't using valid statistics to peddle their stuff, I doubt that the homeopaths are either, human nature being what it is.

It's not like homeopathic schools only draw their students from a band of angels, nor are their patients that much more statistically educated.

The only solution is better education for all, not replacing one union of gatekeepers with another.

16 posted on 07/30/2010 8:28:26 AM PDT by slowhandluke (It's hard to be cynical enough in this age.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

LOLOL! Never saw that before.


17 posted on 07/30/2010 8:37:20 AM PDT by patton (Obama has replaced "Res Publica" with "Quod licet Jovi non licet bovi.")
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Lonesome Everywhere,

There are other-—superior-—ways of doing and viewing statistics than in searching for “statistical significance.” SS is so easy to achieve, and data can be manipulated so easily so as to achieve is, that it is a poor measure of evidence.


18 posted on 07/30/2010 3:47:18 PM PDT by mattstat
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