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Three Unpaid Parking Tickets? No License!
Michigan Capitol Confidential ^ | 7/28/2010 | Ken Braun

Posted on 07/30/2010 9:19:55 AM PDT by MichCapCon

Motorist with three unpaid parking tickets at one time should be looking warily over their shoulder at what state politicians are doing with legislation that has cleared the Michigan House but come to a stall in the Senate.

The bill would have the Secretary of State deny a driver license renewal to any motorist with as few as three unpaid parking tickets. It cleared the Michigan House last October on a vote of 68-37. But on June 30, when it was brought up for a final passage vote in the Senate, the chamber overwhelmingly rejected it with a vote of 14-23.

A motion to reconsider the defeat was then adopted, allowing the Senate to try another vote at a later date.

Under current law, a local court may refer a motorist with six or more unpaid parking violations to the Michigan Secretary of State. Once alerted, the SOS may not issue a driver license renewal until the person has paid all outstanding parking ticket balances and late fees and paid a $45 "driver license clearance fee." The Schmidt bill would reduce this threshold to three unpaid tickets.

The real issue is money for municipal governments.

Albert C. Mooney, Grand Rapids City Treasurer, submitted supportive testimony regarding HB 4726 to the House committee that first looked at the bill during October 2009. Noting that the city then had more than $3.5 million in uncollected parking fines, he predicted that passage of the bill would boost collections by as much as $500,000 for the first year and then provide more than $250,000 in additional collections for each year after that.

Summarizing the bill's intent, Mooney states at the outset that "The proposal is very straight forward - the bill helps cash strapped local units by using existing technology to collect parking fines."

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1 posted on 07/30/2010 9:20:00 AM PDT by MichCapCon
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To: MichCapCon; cripplecreek; MaryFromMichigan; PGalt; magslinger; grellis; Kieri; Darren McCarty; ...

MI ping


2 posted on 07/30/2010 9:20:28 AM PDT by MichCapCon
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To: MichCapCon

NJ pulls this crap too, as I’m sure other “cash strapped” states do. More and more, states are going to refusals to renew licenses as a way to force motorists to pay fines for relatively minor offenses. And the politicians are pretty blatant about why they are doing it—its not a public safety issue, its to feed the voracious appetite of government for revenue to spend.


3 posted on 07/30/2010 9:25:24 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard
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To: MichCapCon

Any ticket,excise tax,registration, etc not paid in MA and you can’t renew license and/or car registration.


4 posted on 07/30/2010 9:27:37 AM PDT by GQuagmire
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To: MichCapCon

Any ticket,excise tax,registration, etc not paid in MA and you can’t renew license and/or car registration.


5 posted on 07/30/2010 9:27:40 AM PDT by GQuagmire
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To: MichCapCon

Speeding tickets(moving violations) yes. Parking tickets no.


6 posted on 07/30/2010 9:28:37 AM PDT by goseminoles
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To: MichCapCon
This is why you should not just throw the tickets away when you are using your moms car. She could lose her license, her job, fall on hard times and have to evict you from her basement to take in paying boarders.
7 posted on 07/30/2010 9:37:31 AM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it freedom has a flavor the protected will never know .F Trp 8th Cav)
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To: MichCapCon

Licenses? Who needs stinking licenses. Just claim you have no papers and no speaky english the cops will let you go.


8 posted on 07/30/2010 9:42:24 AM PDT by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: MichCapCon

Gotta find a way to pay the public employee union members somehow!


9 posted on 07/30/2010 9:43:28 AM PDT by pgkdan (When the same man...holds the sword and the purse, there is an end of liberty: George Mason)
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To: MichCapCon


NO LICENSE FOR YOU!!!! Come back one year!
10 posted on 07/30/2010 9:45:16 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: MichCapCon

so illegals won’t have a problem.


11 posted on 07/30/2010 9:46:13 AM PDT by bravo whiskey (If the little things really bother you, maybe it's because the big things are going well.)
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To: MichCapCon

Albert C. Mooney, Grand Rapids City Treasurer, submitted supportive testimony regarding HB 4726 to the House committee that first looked at the bill during October 2009. Noting that the city then had more than $3.5 million in uncollected parking fines, he predicted that passage of the bill would boost collections by as much as $500,000 for the first year and then provide more than $250,000 in additional collections for each year after that. “

Oh boo hoo, GR!

You have a small army of police academy rejects with a power trip complex writing these things by the truckload on a daily basis, and you think that there wouldn’t be that many people that just says “whatever” to it?

I got one for a 2 minute run into the library to return ONE book. The thing that really ticked me off is that there wasn’t a ticket on the window until after I got home, took a nap, and went back out to the car only to find the SOB followed me home and stuck it on my window!

With all of the cash this city blows on parks that bums hang out in, to electric go-karts for the meter maids to write even more tickets, we should consider the uncollected money to be in safer hands away from them.


12 posted on 07/30/2010 9:51:31 AM PDT by VanDeKoik (Iran doesnt have a 2nd admendment. Ya see how that turned out?)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
NJ pulls this crap too, as I’m sure other “cash strapped” states do. More and more, states are going to refusals to renew licenses as a way to force motorists to pay fines for relatively minor offenses. And the politicians are pretty blatant about why they are doing it—its not a public safety issue, its to feed the voracious appetite of government for revenue to spend.

Am I missing something? Are you defending failure to pay parking tickets? I'd be good with lowering the threshold to 1 unpaid ticket. PAY YOUR DAMN FINES AND TICKETS.

If you don't wish to obey the traffic and parking laws in NJ, don't drive in NJ or pay the fines when you are caught. I have ZERO tolerance for ignoring the rule of law.

13 posted on 07/30/2010 9:52:00 AM PDT by Onelifetogive (For the record, McCarthy was right.)
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To: Onelifetogive

I agree. If you break the law you pay the fine or face the consequences.


14 posted on 07/30/2010 9:59:20 AM PDT by whershey
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

What’s the problem. You get a ticket, you pay the fine.

You know the old saying “can’t do the time, don’t do the crime.” Can’t afford to pay the fine, then quit doing things (like speeding, parking illegally, or improper lane changes) that would get you a ticket.


15 posted on 07/30/2010 10:09:06 AM PDT by Brookhaven (The next step for the Tea Party--The Conservative Hand--is available at Amazon.com)
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To: Onelifetogive
I have ZERO tolerance for ignoring the rule of law.

Obamacare is now law. Do you support that?

16 posted on 07/30/2010 10:12:53 AM PDT by Sarajevo (You're jealous because the voices only talk to me.)
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To: VanDeKoik

I got one for a 2 minute run into the library to return ONE book.


So it’s OK to park illegally if you’re only going to take a few minutes?


17 posted on 07/30/2010 10:16:42 AM PDT by Brookhaven (The next step for the Tea Party--The Conservative Hand--is available at Amazon.com)
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To: whershey

this isn’t just about collecting fines, its about adding new fines that’ll end up tacking on license fees paid to SoS.

SoS is being granted WAY too much power to impose and collect fines, and refuse licenses. heck, tell your doctor you drink too much, and he may turn you in to SoS as a risk for drunk driving, and they can refuse you a license. no proof, no determination of guilt, it’s at their whim. SoS also has the power to refuse licenses to sex offenders if they haven’t properly registered (and don’t get me started on how inaccurate their system is).


18 posted on 07/30/2010 10:23:24 AM PDT by absolootezer0 (2x divorced, tattooed, pierced, harley hatin, meghan mccain luvin', smoker and pit bull owner..what?)
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To: Brookhaven

where’s the difference (legally) between stopping, standing and parking?

also, can i have a ticket book to issue to all the cops around here that illegally park?


19 posted on 07/30/2010 10:26:27 AM PDT by absolootezer0 (2x divorced, tattooed, pierced, harley hatin, meghan mccain luvin', smoker and pit bull owner..what?)
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To: Sarajevo
Obamacare is now law. Do you support that?

No, but that means trying to get it repealed, not breaking the law.

Civil disobedience is difference. Not paying one's tickets is more like looting stores* than it is like lunch counter protests**.

* Not civil disobedience.
** Civil disobedience.

20 posted on 07/30/2010 10:27:17 AM PDT by Onelifetogive (For the record, McCarthy was right.)
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To: Sarajevo

“Obamacare is now law. Do you support that?”

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Touche! - (Checkmate, game-set-match, etc)
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21 posted on 07/30/2010 10:30:22 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: Onelifetogive

You sound as bad as the NRA, demanding that all the unconstitutional gun laws be enforced.

Using parking fines for revenue is an insult to the “rule of law.”
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22 posted on 07/30/2010 10:32:59 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: absolootezer0

where’s the difference (legally) between stopping, standing and parking?


Are you really going to use the Bill Clinton “It all depends on what the meaning of is is” defense? C’mon, on FreeRepublic?


23 posted on 07/30/2010 10:36:37 AM PDT by Brookhaven (The next step for the Tea Party--The Conservative Hand--is available at Amazon.com)
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To: Onelifetogive

Lame.

You lost that argument.


24 posted on 07/30/2010 10:38:02 AM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: Brookhaven
So it’s OK to park illegally if you’re only going to take a few minutes?

Of course not.

Unless you put on your emergency flashers...then you can pretty much get away with murder.

25 posted on 07/30/2010 10:38:33 AM PDT by Fundamentally Fair (Bush: Mission Accomplished. Obama: Commission Accomplished.)
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To: Brookhaven
So it’s OK to park illegally if you’re only going to take a few minutes?

Of course not.

Unless you put on your emergency flashers...then you can pretty much get away with murder.

26 posted on 07/30/2010 10:38:45 AM PDT by Fundamentally Fair (Bush: Mission Accomplished. Obama: Commission Accomplished.)
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To: editor-surveyor
You sound as bad as the NRA, demanding that all the unconstitutional gun laws be enforced.

And you sound like the Obama Administration, deciding to ignore laws you disagree with.

27 posted on 07/30/2010 10:40:30 AM PDT by Onelifetogive (For the record, McCarthy was right.)
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To: Onelifetogive

Logic impaired?

Watch more TV, there may be a pill you can take...
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28 posted on 07/30/2010 10:42:15 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: MichCapCon

This will serve one function - more stolen license plates, and more people driving without a license.


29 posted on 07/30/2010 10:42:46 AM PDT by meyer (Big government is the enemy of freedom.)
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To: Brookhaven

part of the problem is that the owner of the car may not be the driver who parked illegally and may not even know about the tickets. to lose your license over a speeding ticket, at least the officer KNEW it was the right person.


30 posted on 07/30/2010 10:46:48 AM PDT by tioga
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

People who don’t pay their fines are not going to have any problems driving with an expired license.


31 posted on 07/30/2010 10:51:20 AM PDT by tiki
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To: goseminoles

I have to agree. Just because your car was allegedly parked illegally doesn’t mean that you parked it there, nor does it mean that the car was actually parked illegally. First, you should get your day in court. Second, a non-moving violation has NOTHING to do with having a license to drive.

I’m not saying that people shouldn’t pay their parking fines, if they broke the law. I’m saying that attaching such a fine to ones’ drivers license renewal results in a punishment that FAR exceeds the crime.

I won’t even delve into the issue of a lack of free parking that exists in many areas. Downtowns typically offer little or no convenient parking, and if a person only needs to run into and out of a store or diner, spending 20 minutes parking 3 blocks away and walking is not desirable. That kind of situation is a primary cause of people parking “illegally” in the first place.

My personal solution is to stay out of downtown. Walmart has free parking - everyone should.


32 posted on 07/30/2010 10:51:33 AM PDT by meyer (Big government is the enemy of freedom.)
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To: meyer

Yep. Meters are nothing more than an income generating tool for cities. That said, I tend to agree with sticking it to people who park in handicap spaces.
Luckily, I live somewhere that has virtually no pay parking. I can’t tell you the last time I paid to park except a hospital.
I don’t know if you’ve ever watched the show Parking Wars. I do not envy the stupidity and hassle citizens have to go through over a ticket(Philly). I would go ballistic.


33 posted on 07/30/2010 11:09:03 AM PDT by goseminoles
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To: goseminoles

Oh, and another pet peeve. 30 minute meters. How often can one get any business done in 30 minutes (court, banking, lunch, dinner, shopping). Its not fair to require someone to return every 29 minutes so some schmuck can write a ticket and get his rocks off. And in this case, resulting in a license suspension/revocation.


34 posted on 07/30/2010 11:15:36 AM PDT by goseminoles
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To: meyer
Just because your car was allegedly parked illegally doesn’t mean that you parked it there,

I'm afraid that still doesn't absolve you of responsibility. Loan your car out to a friend (even if it's just to drive two blocks to the store and back) and let them get be at fault in an accident; you'll find out the hard way that you're still liable. Loaning out your vehicle is dumb, dumb, dumb.

35 posted on 07/30/2010 11:20:51 AM PDT by Brookhaven (The next step for the Tea Party--The Conservative Hand--is available at Amazon.com)
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To: Brookhaven
Are you really going to use the Bill Clinton “It all depends on what the meaning of is is” defense? C’mon, on FreeRepublic?

honost question actually. i see the signs that say "no stopping, standing or parking" and signs that say "no parking".. what's the difference?

for example. the jerk that likes to sit at the curb outside my house after 2am with his lights shining in my window, making out with his girlfriend for 10-20 minutes before dropping her off next door.. is that stopping, standing or parking? is that a violation of the "no parking between 2am-5am" law?

or the people that sit in front of walmart while one person in the vehicle runs inside for one item?

or the people that stop in a handicap spot, leave a door open and the vehicle running while dropping off a movie at blockbuster..

what about cops that double park, block traffic and go inside a store for 5-20 minutes? are you going to give me the "they're a cop, its ok" that alot of freepers throw out?


srsly. with so many laws on the books, its nice to know what exactly they mean and when a person is violating one.
36 posted on 07/30/2010 11:41:57 AM PDT by absolootezer0 (2x divorced, tattooed, pierced, harley hatin, meghan mccain luvin', smoker and pit bull owner..what?)
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To: Onelifetogive

Do you support the seizure of personal property? (The boot)


37 posted on 07/30/2010 11:48:01 AM PDT by goseminoles
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To: goseminoles
Do you support the seizure of personal property? (The boot)

If I leave my personal property sitting where it is not supposed to be sitting (and inconveniencing others), I'd expect someone to "take" it and hold it until I reclaim it (and pay the costs.)

38 posted on 07/30/2010 12:12:08 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (For the record, McCarthy was right.)
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To: editor-surveyor

Obamacare is no different than parking laws? Nonsense.


39 posted on 07/30/2010 12:17:17 PM PDT by Mojave (Ignorant and stoned - Obama's natural constituency.)
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To: Onelifetogive
I read your homepage and tagline and I chuckle. 90% of the laws on the books have little to do with public safety and everything to do with insurers loss prevention and revenue generation for city governments.

At one point in my life I had a dozen parking tickets. Several times a week I was parking on a meter near a hospital for my wife to take physical therapy. Due to us having a van with a wheelchair lift parking options were greatly limited.

I'd come out and a parking ticket an illegally written one at that would be on my windshield. I'd call the city police department and tell them I was wrongfully ticketed and had a visible handicap placard where it was supposed to be and the officer failed to look. Actually a wheelchair lift was also highly visible.

In my state persons in possession of such placards can not be charged to park on government property included metered spaces on streets. I was told bring it by so we can see it. How many times do you think I did that after the first one? Once. Next time I called and was given the bring it by and let us see it routine. I said look it up it's in your records. {placards also have an ID number and are registered like vehicles in the database}. After that in the trash they went. Never heard another word about it.

Today's new parking ticket racket has gone up a few notches to extortion tactics being enacted by the city governments in the form of traffic light and speed cameras. To attempt to by-pass the Constitution and due process government calls the fines civil fines which is actually what a parking ticket is. Now if I get a parking ticket I can look then and there and determine if it was properly issued. Ask me what I was doing a week ago from last Tuesday and I can't tell you. If I get pulled over for speeding I know then and there what I was doing how fast I was going at that tie etc. Ask me a week from last Tuesday? I don't know.

We're being taken down a very slippery slope to a totalitarian authoritarian form of government. These movements always start out small with government be it city or federal taking more and more control of our lives on law and one act at a time. Next after not allowing license renewal will come property confiscation and forfeitures which has already opened up a huge can of worms of abuses of powers in law enforcement and our judicial system in dealing with far more serious offenses.

Read your home page and the words written there. They are correct. Parking citations should only be issued in cases of where public safety is actually endangered and not be used as a means of revenue. If a person parks in a place which endangers others then tow the vehicle for that reason with a reasonable fee to get it back not above what is the going market rate for a 10 mile tow. No one should be charged to park on public government owned property and parking on such should only be permitted where safety allows it.

40 posted on 07/30/2010 12:51:57 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Onelifetogive

True. But the boot usually happens when you are parked in a perfectly good spot legally. Back to the three ticket issue again I guess,


41 posted on 07/30/2010 12:56:12 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: Mojave

“Obamacare is no different than parking laws?”

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Obamacare is more massive, but otherwise similar in kind to using parking fines as a source of revenue.

Parking meters are supposed to be used to prevent long term parking in commercial zones.
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42 posted on 07/30/2010 1:01:35 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: editor-surveyor
Obamacare is more massive, but otherwise similar in kind to using parking fines as a source of revenue.

Someone forced you to park illegally?

43 posted on 07/30/2010 1:02:43 PM PDT by Mojave (Ignorant and stoned - Obama's natural constituency.)
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To: cva66snipe
Parking citations should only be issued in cases of where public safety is actually endangered and not be used as a means of revenue.

I freely admit that VERY niave about parking. I have not ever had problems with parking. One parking ticket a few years ago in a town I seldom go to for misreading the parking rules sign. I promptly paid it. It would not have crossed my mind to not pay it and deal with whatever consequences eventually found me.

Otherwise, I never pay for parking or have trouble finding a free space.

44 posted on 07/30/2010 1:06:46 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (For the record, McCarthy was right.)
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To: Mojave

I know that you have to be more intelligent than the posts you are making.
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45 posted on 07/30/2010 1:09:37 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: editor-surveyor

The primary objection to ObamaCare has been that it’s mandatory and unavoidable. There’s no choice.

Completely unlike parking tickets.


46 posted on 07/30/2010 1:12:27 PM PDT by Mojave (Ignorant and stoned - Obama's natural constituency.)
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To: Onelifetogive

In my county they have meters at the courthouse where a person must go to pay taxes, get permits, license plates, etc. IMO it is wrong to charge for parking at such venues. I’m reasonably certain they would charge an admission fee to the building itself if they thought they could get by with it. LOL


47 posted on 07/30/2010 1:14:59 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Mojave

Never been stuck in a meeting or anything like that huh?

Parking fines are just like Ocare on a smaller scale.


48 posted on 07/30/2010 3:07:38 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: editor-surveyor
Never been stuck in a meeting or anything like that huh?

Gotta watch?

49 posted on 07/30/2010 3:21:05 PM PDT by Mojave (Ignorant and stoned - Obama's natural constituency.)
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To: MichCapCon

Awful. Pam Byrnes supported this of course. I’m shocked Brater didn’t vote for this mess.


50 posted on 07/30/2010 10:40:56 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (I don't look for leaders. I follow my own path, my way.)
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