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1 posted on 07/31/2010 4:01:02 PM PDT by Big Bureaucracy
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To: Big Bureaucracy

We already have the best health care in the world. What we will get with commie care is CRAP!!!!!
IMPEACH THE SONS OF BITCHES!!!!!!!! And zero called himself a mongrel-—so it
follows HE’S A SON OF A BITCH.


2 posted on 07/31/2010 4:18:22 PM PDT by taillightchaser (When a democrat says "The American people" you know the next words out of his mouth will be lies.)
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To: Big Bureaucracy

The Obama regime and the Rhino sycophants couldn’t care less about the health of individual citizens. It’s all about providing every working age piece of state property with enough health to be productive in building the socialist utopia. The less useful ‘untermenschen’ are on their own to seek private care even while being taxed excessively.


3 posted on 07/31/2010 4:20:40 PM PDT by Soothesayer (“None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license...")
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My experience with doctors that preach “evidence based medicine” is that “evidence” is what they consider “evidence”, namely test results, plus clinical signs, which are responses from patients that can be seen or felt or measured by the doctor. Notably absent as “evidence” for such docs are clinical symptoms, namely that which a patient describes orally, such as, “Doc, I wake up screaming from pain at night.” Nothing the patient says is meaningful to an “evidence” based doctor.

In point of fact, such doctors simply approach medicine as if they were a veterinary for humans, treating the patient is incapable of providing any useful information. On more than one occasion, I’ve actually had such a doctor try to get me to cease effective therapy so that they could “see with their own eyes” the original signs and look at the results of new tests after the therapy ceased, because otherwise they had no “evidence” that I had actually been ill without the therapy!

Should a doctor describe themself as “evidence based”, you should run screaming from the exam room. OK, actually, you should just politely put your clothes back on and leave. Hopefully, you’ve established whether a doc is “evidence based” prior to the doc actually spending any time with you, at which point you should request that no bill be prepared, whether it is an insurance bill or not.


5 posted on 07/31/2010 4:36:18 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Made from the Right Stuff!)
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Do you really want quality health care?

No, I want pretty good health care at a pretty good price.


7 posted on 07/31/2010 5:02:36 PM PDT by freedomfiter2
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I want the government out of my healthcare.


8 posted on 07/31/2010 5:16:28 PM PDT by pallis
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The money line:

“...for a Continuing Improvement Specialist quality is lowering the standard deviation in outcomes. The McDonald’s apple turnover is closer to quality for such scientist – it tastes the same in NYC, California and Arizona.

So when President Obama promises you quality health care you think you will get care that meets your expectations, however the ObamaCare means quality in more ‘scientific’ terms as: everybody will get about the same care. How much care you get is not designed according to you and your doctor’s expectations, but according to the government expectations of less deviation in outcomes.”


11 posted on 07/31/2010 6:54:06 PM PDT by Bhoy
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Trying to determine "quality" in healthcare is a fool's errand - it's virtually impossible to define and measure exactly what makes for quality care because the outcomes in healthcare can be so variable - to take an easy example, of two hospitals having different lengths of stay for their patients, the one having lengthier stays in fact could be the better hospital because it took on more difficult patients. As a result what's usually measured in looking at "quality" in healthcare is actually primarily the processes that go into providing the care - did patients get their medications on time, was a treatment plan written for each patient, etc etc etc ad nauseum.....

Real quality in healthcare is achieved when well trained practitioners get to apply their skills to their patients with plenty of time and support as they learned to do through their education and experience - but this gives the providers too much power and autonomy which politicians - especially those who crave control over as much of the public life as possible - resent - so they introduce terms like "outcome determined care" to try to get their foot in the door of the medical system - a door they weren't smart enough to get through by going to medical school to begin with.......

14 posted on 07/31/2010 9:46:17 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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