Stanley Ann's passport records out

A place to ask questions to get the right answers ^ | July 31, 2010 | Apuzzo

[jdirt]

They don't have her records before 1965 !!

http://puzo1.blogspot.com/

[patlin]

US State Dept Records retention Dec 2008

pg 5

5. Retention

a. How long is information retained?

The established retention period for electronic records in PRISM is presently 100 years in accordance with published record schedules of the Department of State and as approved by the National Archives and Records Administration.

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/96122.pdf

[SirJohnBarleycorn]

In 1965 she (Stanley Ann) says she married Lolo Soetoro on March 15, 1965 in Molokai Hawaii. But in a later passport renewal application marked P5 filed in 1981 she states she married him on March 5, 1964 in Maui, Hawaii.

This is very important.

If we take the March 1965 date, it PROVES that Barry was only FOUR years old when Lolo married Ann.

Under Indonesian law at that time, a child adopted by an Indonesian father under the age of FIVE automatically becomes an Indonesian citizenship without the need for naturalization.

The other important piece of information is that Ann was issued a passport in July 1965. This can only have been so that she could travel to Indonesia with her new husband.

When they went to Indonesia in 1965 did Lolo submit the proper form acknowledging that he had adopted Barry?

If so, Barry became an Indonesian citizen and was entitled to carry an Indonesian passport.

This chronology is supported by Barry's school registration, which lists him as an Indonesian citizen.

At the time Lolo Soetoro adopted little Barry and the family settled in Indonesia, it appears that they intended to live there permanently, and on Ann's passport renewal in 1968 it states she intended to remain in Indonesia "indefinitely".

They didn't foresee that there would be marital problems and that at a later time Ann would want to send Barry back to the US to live with her parents.

Given this new information today, it appears quite possible that Lolo adopted Barry when he was FOUR, and also when Lolo and Ann were in Indonesia in late July or at the beginning of August 1965 he could have reported the adoption to the Indonesian bureaucracy.

Why is it important that Barry appears to have become an Indonesian citizen as a minor?

Because later, after he had turned 18, I suspect that Barry (now calling himself Barack) realized that his Indonesian citizenship could allow him to obtain admission to an elite school like Columbia under their initiative to take more foreign students. Even under affirmative action, I doubt that Barry's reported lackluster scholarship at a middle of the road school like Occidental would have been enough to get him into a school at Columbia's level.

So, I suspect, he renewed his Indonesian passport, as an adult.

He probably did not realize that under US law as in effect at the time, by doing this himself as an adult, he LOST his US citizenship by OPERATION OF LAW, without anyone in the US State Department necessarily knowing anything about it.

That would give him a serious eligibility problem.

Hence, the cover-up. Stonewalling on any and all documents, so curious folks would not know just what in particular he is hiding.

[wintertime]

I think the fallout will be about the cover up.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

From a public relations point of view, why the cover up? Why would a cover up be necessary unless Obama was ineligible?

Fundamentally....A **real**, true blue, American would be HONORED to immediately prove with the very best evidence that he was natural born and eligible to be president and Commander in Chief!!!! HONORED!!!

Again: A REAL AMERICAN WOULD BE HONORED!!!! ( Yes, I am shouting!)

Only a foreign usurper would act as Obama has done and is doing. The man is a snake!

Only a foreign born usurper would obfuscate and lawyer-up against the military officers who have politely questioned his eligibility. No REAL, natural born American would allow someone like LTC Lakin be court martialed.

[rolling_stone]

beat me to it
they are also microfilmed and given to the National Archives..

Since 1978, the State Department has been microfilming passport applications. Even when they are on microfilm, original papers are kept for 20 years. The microfilm is kept for 100 years. In addition, the department keeps forever any record of a birth or death of an American overseas.

[wideminded]

If we take the March 1965 date, it PROVES that Barry was only FOUR years old when Lolo married Ann.

Obama was only THREE in March 1965.

[edge919]

Good catch. The ‘official’ story had been changed in some reports that Lolo didn’t marry SAD until 1967, when Obama would have been too old to be adopted under Indonesian law. This clearly shows that Obama’s background contains lies and deception with most likely intent to defraud the election process. Hopefully the Obots, faithers and sandheads will start to wake up from the hypnosis they’ve been under.

[SirJohnBarleycorn]

Obama was only THREE in March 1965.

Correct, he was born in August 1961.

It would certainly be understandable if Ann expected Lolo to become a father to Barry in connection with the marriage.

Barack Sr. had simply abandoned Ann and Barry and pretended they did not exist. Adopting little Barry in the case of abandonment would not have been difficult.

If all this is correct, it may be that the most important papers Obama wants concealed are (1) his adoption record, (2) his citizenship records in Indonesia and (3) his application papers to Columbia.

The Indonesian embassy is supporting Obama's contention that he was never an Indonesian citizen. At what price this support?

[jdirt]

If you could forward your communications and responses to Strunk he maybe able to make a case of fraud with the Judge...

[lucysmom]

Then do you have an excuse for the missing records? A guess? What does logic tell you? Do you believe the clown who said they might have been destroyed? Does that make sense only part of the records destroyed and only for Stanley Ann?

Do you know that only records for her were destroyed? Sounds like the "clown" doesn't know what happened and is offering a possibility.

Like I said, I could make up stories, but that's all they would be - stories.

By the way ten dollars in 1960 would be equivalent to about 73 dollars today.

In 1965 it would take 8 hours work at minimum wage to pay for a passport. In 2009, it would take 13.75 hours at minimum wage. Don't know that that means anything, but there it is.

[lucysmom]

Under Indonesian law at that time, a child adopted by an Indonesian father under the age of FIVE automatically becomes an Indonesian citizenship without the need for naturalization.

Perfect theory except for one little detail - Indonesia didn't allow dual citizenship and the US does not permit a loose of citizenship for a minor child thingie.

[edge919]

I’d like to see Lester Kinsolving ask WHPS Robert Gibbs who Barry Soebarkah is at the next press briefing.

[edge919]

Technically, under that situation, the U.S. would be unable to protect the citizenship of such a child. That’s why they have the Hague Convetion for adoptions, but unfortunately Indonesia historically has not signed on.

[Publius6961]

HuH?

If the facts are wrong, what need is there for a coverup?

Wait. Trolls aren't the sharpest tools in the drawer...

[rolling_stone]

Like I said, I could make up stories, but that’s all they would be - stories.

I’m sure we will hear some excuses soon here..
Makes me wonder if the powers to be decided to throw obama under the bus with this release...missing records gives them plausible deniability

[hoosiermama]

By jove I think you’ve got it. Get the information to all the lawyers that currently have cases pending....

This is very significant. As significant as the IBM selector typewriter in the Rather fraud.

I’d even send it to FOX, RUSH and BECK just to see if they’d do anything with it.

[YankeeinOkieville]

Question: What was the age of majority in the early 1960s?

If it’s true as some are saying that BHO would’ve been listed on SAD’s passport because he was a minor, then given that she was not yet 18 in 1960 until November of that year, if she did have a previous passport then wouldn’t she have by necessity been listed on her own mother’s instead of one of her own?

If the age for obtaining an individual passport as an adult was 21 then SAD’s first opportunity to get one would’ve been November 1963. They were at that time good for 3 years with a 2 year renewal/extension possible. So why would she have needed one in 1965 if she’d had obtained one in 1963.

The only way I can see SAD having her own adult passport before the 1965 one is if the legal age was 18 and she’d gotten one almost immediately upon her birthday. Otherwise, maybe the person requesting the documents through FOIA, should look at granny Maddie’s 50’s & 60’s passport apps.

[patlin]

Since 1978, the State Department has been microfilming passport applications. Even when they are on microfilm, original papers are kept for 20 years. The microfilm is kept for 100 years. In addition, the department keeps forever any record of a birth or death of an American overseas.

I know & it got me to thinking...genealogy. there is a reason records are kept. We are a nation of immigrants and tracking family ancestry is a HUGE deal. The census dept also uses these records, thus even a more pertinent reason NOT to destroy records.

[hoosiermama]

Why would she get one at age eighteen unless she was planning on traveling out of the country? When and where did she go? If she was traveling alone she would not have been on M’s passport. OTOH checking all angles out is a good idea.

[rolling_stone]

no a child could get their own passport before age 18 i and a sibling were on my mothers until my older sibling got their own, then i was in my moms without my older sibling, then later when i was around 8 i got my own. i was a darling kid in my passport photo..

[lucysmom]

If it’s true as some are saying that BHO would’ve been listed on SAD’s passport because he was a minor, then given that she was not yet 18 in 1960 until November of that year, if she did have a previous passport then wouldn’t she have by necessity been listed on her own mother’s instead of one of her own?

Not necessarily. If parent and child are listed on the same passport than neither can travel without the other.