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Stanley Ann's passport records out
A place to ask questions to get the right answers ^ | July 31, 2010 | Apuzzo

Posted on 07/31/2010 6:25:47 PM PDT by jdirt

They don't have her records before 1965 !!

http://puzo1.blogspot.com/


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Gardening
KEYWORDS: anndunham; birthers; certifigate; dunham; dunhampassport; foreigners; naturalborncitizen; obama; passport; sadopassport; sadpassport; soetoro; soetoropassport; stanleyanndunham; tpd
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To: palmer
You said "Do you KNOW anything about this group? Who runs it. Have you spoken with them? In person?" If I'm going to support someone's cause, it is hardly efficient or appropriate for me to speak to them in person. If you decide to do that for this cause or any other, please post your results so we can all learn from them.

I know everything about Orly Taitz and her parties to her lawsuits. I know everything about who runs her 501c4, c3, PAC, etc. I know who printed her direct mail. I know who did her polling. I know who built her websites. I know who filed her disclosure reports. I know how much the records SAY these things cost in expenditures and I know who is making their living off of these scams. If you did 1/1000th of the research on this people as you have done on Obama, you would be sicked by what you'd find.

I don't know as MUCH about the other groups, but one can tell by their reports or in some cases the LACK of said reports, they are just as sleazy if not worse.

And yes it IS appropriate for you to know! Not only appropriate, but incumbent! It is your duty!!

601 posted on 08/03/2010 10:50:56 AM PDT by RachelFaith (2010 is going to be a 100 seat Tsunami - Unless the GOP Senate ruins it all...)
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To: danamco
The real question here is, WHY do you think there are some "missing" Passport documents, that's what we want to know among his other "sealed" records???

I have posted this answer 100 times!

Read it this time.

There are only three possible answers and they ALL have the same result.

Number 1: He is hiding exactly what you feel he is hiding.

Number 2: He isn't hiding what you think he is hiding, but is hiding something else, more personally damning, but not the smoking gun you seek.

Number 3: He isn't really hiding anything, but at least all the hard right which could be busy actually stopping him and informing the public about the real aims of his policies is distracted with chasing this Snipe.

Those are it. Only 3 possible. But here is the gem.

It could be all three! Yep. Might be all three.

SO WHAT?

If it is #3 IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM, WE ARE DEAD. Game over. We lose and we lose it all.

Get it?

602 posted on 08/03/2010 10:55:24 AM PDT by RachelFaith (2010 is going to be a 100 seat Tsunami - Unless the GOP Senate ruins it all...)
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To: RachelFaith

That’s good but you still need to post specifics so people like me can evaluate them. The other bit of info I’d like is the supply side if you have anything on that (who supplies money). I have no doubt a bunch of people make money doing the publicizing, and I’m sure some of them are not our friends. But the more specifics I can read, the better.


603 posted on 08/03/2010 11:05:35 AM PDT by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: RachelFaith

I see.

So, in response to the many sentiments sincerely expressed in my post, you’ve isolated a phrase and are quibbling with my use of ‘unseen’ rather than ‘not seen’

.. even though they can be and are at times used interchangeably ?

“Faith as the Evidence of things Unseen”
http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Topical.show/RTD/cgg/ID/4737/Faith-as-Evidence-things-Unseen.htm

... LOL.


604 posted on 08/03/2010 11:18:55 AM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: palmer

Sadly for reasons which relate to my knowledge I am unable to disclose direct information. But google is your friend, and if you have lexus nexus, the better friend it is.

I will say this, the LEFT and SOROS is not funding these criminals. Do not continue to chase ghosts. YOU are funding them. Your posts here and calls to your congressmen, you busy activities keep the general masses motivated and hopeful. They do not have even 1/10th of the information you have. They follow your lead. And my submission to you is YOU are misleading them from the tasks at hand by continuing down this path.

Here, I go, Hitler analogies on the net... LOL

Hitler invaded Russia, got bogged down and didn’t have the good sense to pull back and try again.

Hitler did NOT wipe out the British at Dunkirk.

Two classic examples in history. I am sure we all know 1000 more.

My point is the same as SUN TSU. War is politics by other means.

We are AT WAR and in case you haven’t been keeping up with current events, getting our asses kicked!

We have a chance, abet very slim, of actually electing more KINGS, BACHMANNS, PAULS etc to Congress. But if we fail, and the RINOs keep control, it will be all for nothing and the ignorant populace center will just give up and the tea party will be a flash in the pan.

And instead of DOING those things, we send money, spend time, and fight over this WORTHLESS GROUND!

This is a battle which does NOT have anything but a pyrrhic victory at its best.

So what? What if everything you ever feared is right and he is THE Manchurian Candidate and NO ONE DOES ANYTHING ABOUT IT?

Then what?

What if Elena Kagan writes the 5-4 majority opinion that some international law means “It doesn’t matter”.

Then WHAT?

You going to take up arms?

You think the Public will join you?

I think they will YAWN.

They always HAVE yawned.

YOU are not ignorant, but you are stupid if you fail to know this very lesson of history.

Fight battles that you not only KNOW you can win, but that have RESULTS that will matter.

This one does not, and fails both counts.

Oh, you may be right. You may have spend all your time and energy because you KNEW Hitler was inventing a Jet and it would make him rule the skys... but if you missed the A Bomb and spent your time on Jets and not the Manhattan Project, we’d all be speaking German now.

Be smart. Be Smarter!


605 posted on 08/03/2010 11:24:14 AM PDT by RachelFaith (2010 is going to be a 100 seat Tsunami - Unless the GOP Senate ruins it all...)
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To: STARWISE
I see. So, in response to the many sentiments sincerely expressed in my post, you’ve isolated a phrase and are quibbling with my use of ‘unseen’ rather than ‘not seen’ .. even though they can be and are at times used interchangeably ?

NO NO NO NO NO!!

READ!!!

For the love of God read!

I most surely did NOT parse words. I am most surely NOT playing word games.

I don't care WHICH word you use for it. Unseen, Unknown, Not Seen, Secret Squirrel, In-bloody-visible! They all MEAN the same thing ! DUH!

The reason you are stuck there, thinking I am playing word games is YOU DON'T KNOW THE MEANING of the verse.

Your meaning IS all those. You see that word, those words, and you mistakenly think it means "YOU CANNOT KNOW, BECAUSE".

THAT is my point. THAT is where you are wrong. THAT is the error.

The verse uses those words in CONTRAST to EVIDENCE and in CONTRAST to SUBSTANCE.

To make it clear, totally clear, that even those things YOU cannot see or think you cannot know ARE knowable. ARE REAL.

You hold the position that the future is something yet undone and therefore unknowable.

That is contrary to the word of God and the mind of Science.

THAT is my point. I do not play word games or internet BS jerking chains. This is deadly serious! The whole of the world in light or darkness will follow the salvation or damnation of America.

606 posted on 08/03/2010 11:39:00 AM PDT by RachelFaith (2010 is going to be a 100 seat Tsunami - Unless the GOP Senate ruins it all...)
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To: Fred Nerks

That letter is, indeed, printed in a proportional font, and an odd one at that. I don’t think that any standard typewriter in use at that time would have had that font.

My question is, if that letter is indeed faked, WHY? None of the info in it seems to be relevant to the child. Perhaps to establish the whereabouts of Ann on that date? Is there some significance to that?

Makes no sense. Unless we’re missing something — which is likely — seems like a lot of trouble for no good reason.


607 posted on 08/03/2010 11:46:41 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: STARWISE

I also read your entire commentary. And while it is nice and focuses on the meaning of faith for a believer, like most commentaries it leaves much else out and adds into it things it should not.

I do not put stock in commentaries, but the Word of God alone. Every verse is supported by every other verse. It does not need a commentary.

Here is the supporting verse for the EVIDENCE and SUBSTANCE and the duty to know the supposedly unknowable.

Prov 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honor of kings is to search out a matter.

He expects you to know and to have the faith that you CAN know.


608 posted on 08/03/2010 11:47:10 AM PDT by RachelFaith (2010 is going to be a 100 seat Tsunami - Unless the GOP Senate ruins it all...)
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To: Jedidah
Here is a simple question from your simple question.

seems like a lot of trouble for no good reason.

They have now had YEARS and unlimited power and resources to bring to bear on these issues and documents. So, what if they only thing they have to gain, is to take the most motivated, dedicated, highest educated, most intelligent, most informed, hardest right wing conservatives and DISTRACT THEM.

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!!

Have you seriously considered that you are chasing a construct for the purpose of being in THAT chase and not able to FIGHT the battles which matter?

Conspiracies are fun. Everyone enjoys the thrill of a mystery.

So are you being played emotionally? Sucker punched the whole while? To wake up one day in a nation of Subjects and not Citizens?

609 posted on 08/03/2010 11:53:32 AM PDT by RachelFaith (2010 is going to be a 100 seat Tsunami - Unless the GOP Senate ruins it all...)
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To: danamco; RachelFaith

Why would I give squat about some guy named Strunk?

From your quote, it looks like he LOST in court trying to get more information in an attempt to find out if Obama had an Indonesian passport.

Currently, there is no evidence that Obama has ever needed or used an Indonesian passport. Had he returned to the USA using one, it would have sent up red flags. He has not traveled anywhere that would require anything other than a US passport...so what you have left is an accusation, unsupported by facts or reason.

Nor would any of this affect US citizenship - including natural born citizenship - for Obama. That is based on where he was born. Period. You will notice the 14th Amendment makes no qualification based on parentage, and the courts have consistently held that you do not lose US citizenship.

See http://supreme.justia.com/us/377/163/case.html :

“Appellant, who was born in Germany, came to this country with her parents as a child and acquired derivative American citizenship. She lived abroad since graduation from college, became married to a German national, and, except for two visits back to this country, has lived in Germany for the past eight years. The State Department denied her a passport, certifying that she had lost her American citizenship under § 352(a)(1) of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, which provides that a naturalized citizen, with exceptions not material here, loses citizenship by continuous residence for three years in the country of origin....

...A native-born citizen is free to reside abroad indefinitely without suffering loss of citizenship. The discrimination aimed at naturalized citizens drastically limits their rights to live and work abroad in a way that other citizens may. It creates indeed a second-class citizenship. Living abroad, whether the citizen be naturalized or native born, is no badge of lack of allegiance, and in no way evidences a voluntary renunciation of nationality and allegiance. It may indeed be compelled by family, business, or other legitimate reasons.

Reversed.”

So no, Obama would not lose US citizenship by living in Indonesia, nor could his parents renounce US citizenship for him.

Also, notice this comment in their decision, well before Obama:

“We start from the premise that the rights of citizenship of the native born and of the naturalized person are of the same dignity, and are coextensive. The only difference drawn by the Constitution is that only the “natural born” citizen is eligible to be President. Art. II, § 1.”

Hmmm...the only difference between the native born and the naturalized is that only the natural born can become President. That sentence only makes sense if they equate native born with natural born, correct?

So IF Obama was born in the US, THEN he is a US citizen and natural born, IAW the reasoning used by the Supreme Court starting long before Obama was born. Thus worry about an Indonesian passport is a waste.

However, I do thank you for bring up a fact based objection.


610 posted on 08/03/2010 11:55:34 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (When the ass brays, don't reply...)
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To: little jeremiah

No, I’m a pragmatist


611 posted on 08/03/2010 12:01:32 PM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: RachelFaith; moder_ator

Would you please go find something constructive to do rather than hogging this thread and using up FR bandwidth?

It’s annoying to have to scroll through all your dribble in order to read legitimate discussion.

Mods, can we have an IGNORE button, please?


612 posted on 08/03/2010 12:06:39 PM PDT by Jedidah
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To: nuconvert
No, I’m a pragmatist

You and me both!

= )

613 posted on 08/03/2010 12:07:01 PM PDT by RachelFaith (2010 is going to be a 100 seat Tsunami - Unless the GOP Senate ruins it all...)
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To: Jedidah

There IS an ignore button. But you have to use Greasmonkey Scripts and firefox.

I have it, works great.

As for ignoring truth, well, that IS your problem now isn’t it.


614 posted on 08/03/2010 12:09:00 PM PDT by RachelFaith (2010 is going to be a 100 seat Tsunami - Unless the GOP Senate ruins it all...)
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To: RachelFaith; Fred Nerks

I’m not ignoring truth, I’m ignoring you. Will you please tell your greasy monkey to ignore me from now on?

My post was to Fred, not to you. Go away.


615 posted on 08/03/2010 12:12:30 PM PDT by Jedidah
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To: RachelFaith

Like I said: piece of work

God bless us all.


616 posted on 08/03/2010 12:23:20 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: Fred Nerks
In shades of RatherGate it appears Ann used the same magic typewriter in her letter to Mr O’Shea dated 1 May 1974. Tiz a proportional font. So the DoS is fudging the FOIA output. This should be fuel for Strunk to challenge their output as dishonest.

Yes, I had noted that in the scribd viewer (the page is numbered 000003 at the bottom). The capital "L" in the last sentence of the second paragraph looks particularly odd.

617 posted on 08/03/2010 12:56:55 PM PDT by snowsislander (In this election year, please ask your candidates if they support repeal of the 1968 GCA.)
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To: Jedidah

It appears that they redacted from the files the attachments that S. Ann Soetoro referred to in the letter. These were wage statements and tax returns. Lolo stood accused by Mr. O’Shea of filing as a non-resident in order to get tax benefits. I gather they would not re-admit him to the U.S. if he didn’t pay all his taxes. The letter was in response to that allegation and S. Ann (or somebody) wrote this letter to say that Lolo filed as a resident. However, that was on May 1, 74. But on May 11, 74, 10 days later, Mr. O’Shea wrote to Lolo, in Indonesia, reiterating the accusation.

So either S. Ann’s letter got lost in the mail (going from one address in Honolulu to another in Honolulu) for more than a week, or else Mr. O’Shea didn’t accept S. Ann’s contention about how Lolo filed, or else he didn’t get the letter because it was never sent, being created on a computer decades later, in order to obfuscate.

The more important question is what was on those redacted tax returns? Was Soebarkah mentioned, perhaps? What kind of benefits would Lolo get based upon filing as a resident versus a non-resident? Did Soetoro claim Soebarkah as his dependent, non-resident alien child? Enquiring minds want to know.


618 posted on 08/03/2010 1:25:52 PM PDT by Greenperson
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To: danamco; bushpilot1; RachelFaith

Ref book borrowed by George Washington:

The book was overdue as of Nov. 2, 1789.

The first translation of Vattel to use ‘natural born citizen’ was published in 1797, 8 years later. So whatever else George read in it, he didn’t find “natural born citizen”. He found “The natives, or indigenes...”.

If the Constitution had been following Vattel, it would require a President to be a “native, or indigenous citizen”.

Also, note the “or indigenes”...defined as “originating in and characteristic of a particular region or country; native (often fol. by to ): the plants indigenous to Canada; the indigenous peoples of southern Africa.”

For an example, pulled almost at random, “Indigenous Australians are the original inhabitants of the Australian continent and nearby islands and the descendants of these peoples.[2] Indigenous Australians are distinguished as either Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islanders, who currently together make up about 2.7% of Australia’s population.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_Australians

A person can go back a number of generations and not be ‘indigenous’.


619 posted on 08/03/2010 1:27:47 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (When the ass brays, don't reply...)
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL; maggief

There are so many people close to Obama’s inner circle who work at Google.

~~~~

And here ... ;)


620 posted on 08/03/2010 1:28:30 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: Greenperson

Enquiring minds do, indeed, want to know.

The May 1 letter in question just seems to me to be unnecessary to the narrative, so I can’t see the point of creating it to, as you say, obfuscate. Seems like a lot of trouble for no good reason.

On the other hand, perhaps there was truly a May 1 letter that contained something incriminating and, rather than just removing it, they felt the need to replace it with a “cleansed” fake.

Was there, perhaps, an index that listed the May 1 letter and thus required that something be created to replace it?


621 posted on 08/03/2010 1:32:24 PM PDT by Jedidah
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To: nuconvert

That appears to be another word for defeatist.


622 posted on 08/03/2010 1:35:08 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: Jedidah

An index? Good question. If there was one, they didn’t release that, either.

I wondered why they had to create a letter, too. I can’t answer that.

I also considered that perhaps they just rewrote it, for some reason we can’t yet guess. You may be on the right track: Maybe there is an index somewhere and there just may still be some honest people at that office that they didn’t want to tip off.

Her signature looks odd on that letter, too, but since I’m not a forensic document examiner, my opinion doesn’t mean much.

All I can judge is what I see and what I see looks weird. Same for that three-page letter Lolo wrote, pages 78 through 80. To me, page 79 looks different from the others. But I have an untrained eye. In addition, on one page Lolo capitalized Communists, and didn’t on the other page. Maybe someone with expertise in this area can weigh in.

It may be true that they released all of this nonsensical documentation, beginning with the COLB, with the sole intent of making us spin our wheels. But doesn’t that, in and of itself, prove what sort of person we’re dealing with? A transparent, honest individual with nothing to hide wouldn’t do such a thing. So in our own way, we contribute simply by outing the nonsense and publicizing it as best we can. Don’t the polls show that there are many more people who doubt his eligibility than the media would like everyone to believe?

I say, let people “fight” in their own way. That’s my two cents.

Why waste your own time, arguing with allegedly like-minded, on-the-same-side individuals instead of spending your time doing your thing. (Y’all know who I’m talkin’ about, and it ain’t Jedidah.)


623 posted on 08/03/2010 1:57:46 PM PDT by Greenperson
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To: little jeremiah

lol. nah....practical & real


624 posted on 08/03/2010 2:42:29 PM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: research99; butterdezillion

asking butterdezillion: IS THIS CORRECT?

To: research99
A “letter of verification” of a marriage in Hawaii can be ordered by mail.
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/vital_records.html

176 posted on Monday, August 02, 2010 3:35:34 AM by research99


625 posted on 08/03/2010 2:43:31 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: STARWISE; rxsid; Red Steel; Fred Nerks; El Gato; patlin; Spaulding

http://www.scribd.com/doc/35192432/Lolo-Soetoro-U-S-Records-Allen-v-DHS-State-and-Allen-v-USCIS-FOIA-Releases-Final-7-29-10

Released FOIA documents regarding Soetoro and Barry.

There is a document by a so called government employee named Mix confirming the child of Stanley Ann is a US citizen born in Hawaii but the childs name is not listed.


626 posted on 08/03/2010 2:52:54 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: Fred Nerks

It’s supposed to be. But I can tell you right now that they won’t do it. At this point they’re saying the waiting time for them to RESPOND to a request (that is, when they’ll officially tell you “no”) is 4-6 weeks.

A person can always try, but you have to have press credentials or prove substantial interest, and they will postpone indefinitely unless you ride them all along the way. Whether they ever do produce in the end remains to be seen.

But yeah, they’re supposed to do it.


627 posted on 08/03/2010 2:57:20 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: LucyT; rxsid; STARWISE; El Gato; Red Steel
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628 posted on 08/03/2010 3:01:56 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: STARWISE; Fred Nerks; LucyT; rxsid; El Gato; Spaulding; patlin
Photobucket http://www.scribd.com/doc/35192432/Lolo-Soetoro-U-S-Records-Allen-v-DHS-State-and-Allen-v-USCIS-FOIA-Releases-Final-7-29-10
629 posted on 08/03/2010 3:10:46 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: bushpilot1; STARWISE; Greenperson

This item? I'm still catching up with the thread, early AM in Oz.

Just another example of NO DOCUMENT SHOWING ZERO CONNECTED TO THE WOMAN CLAIMED TO BE HIS MOTHER.

If anyone finds any document that shows their names and relationship on the same page, PING ME!

630 posted on 08/03/2010 4:12:56 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: bushpilot1
Where's the proof?

RUSH quotes, no proof of Obama's birth

631 posted on 08/03/2010 5:25:23 PM PDT by patlin (Ignorance is Bliss for those who choose to wear rose colored glasses)
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To: patlin
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632 posted on 08/03/2010 5:40:07 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: bushpilot1

This comes from the U.S. government passport archive website:

http://www.archives.gov/genealogy/passport/

“Passport applications can be an excellent source of genealogical information, especially about foreign-born individuals. The National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) has passport applications from Oct. 1795-Mar. 1925; the U.S. Department of State has passport applications from Apr. 1925 to the present.”

And these are the comments from the cover letter for the FOIA package:

“We did not locate a 1965 passport application referenced in an application for amendment of passport that is included in the released documents. Many passport applications and other non-vital records from that period were destroyed during the 1980s in accordance with guidance from the General Services Administration.”

Isn’t it fascinating how the government has kept passport applications all the way back to 1795 through the present and yet for some reason they decided they didn’t have room for Stanley Ann Dunham’s application from 1965??


633 posted on 08/03/2010 10:50:29 PM PDT by stevenl77
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To: All

Everything you would ever want to know about the Governments policies on Passport Records and retention. It’s long but well worth a read. Bottom right hand corner of page begins Passport information

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?position=all&page=1660&dbname=2008_register


634 posted on 08/04/2010 1:42:41 AM PDT by Brytani (There Is No (D) in November! Go Allen!!! www.allenwestforcongress.com)
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To: Beckwith
If he was vaccinated in Kenya for Un-gaw-wah disease, that might be interesting?

I'm torn as to which is more interesting. That you've created a new conspiracy theory that would've required young Obama to spend MONTHS in Kenya before returning to the US (which conflicts with your existing conspiracy theory which says she returned quickly), or that you used a made-up disease as illustration.

635 posted on 08/04/2010 7:22:08 AM PDT by LorenC
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To: Fred Nerks

This page could be genuine, an actual copy of an actual entry in the actual file. HOWEVER:

It also looks suspiciously like someone bent over backward to create something that would verify that

— the child of Stanley Ann is a United States citizen,

— his birth took place Aug. 4, 1961,

— in Honolulu,

— and that those statements were both verified and entered into an official file back when government employees who had never heard of proportional-spaced fonts typed everything on worn-out typewriters with “L” keys that didn’t work properly.

How convenient is that? One little paragraph that addresses all the so-called “birther” questions.

Just a little fishy to me.


636 posted on 08/04/2010 8:34:00 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: Mr Rogers
However, I do thank you for bring up a fact based objection.

I didn't state a fact, I only posted excerpts from others opinion. Neither you or I know the facts about your dear leader's adoption, because like you are trying to muddying the water so has your dear leader in the W.H. been more effective than you to hide, sanitizing and bury the whole truth and nothing but the truth!!!

So IF Barry became an Indonesian citizen, and IF he lost his U.S. citizenship which also is very doubtful that he ever had (IF born in Kenya, which they claim over there) and still an "IF," and IF he then re-entered U.S. as an Indonesian citizen, you will still fight for him as being a NBC, right???

637 posted on 08/04/2010 9:33:01 AM PDT by danamco (")
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To: danamco

Anyone calling for other than a full disclosure of files and information, is fighting for Obama’s obfuscation of his record and status.


638 posted on 08/04/2010 9:34:49 AM PDT by whence911 (Here illegally? Go home. Get in line!)
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To: RachelFaith
Sarah has addressed me. By my first name. In person. And at length. I know her, and her circle of friends. And have had more than one occasion in which to enter into discourse with her personally and will likely do so on many future occasions. I even have access to her personal email address.

Now, is there anything I have left out? Some subject matter worthy of further exchange?

Yes, let me see, - scratching my head, - I think that you just left out that you are one of the most self absorbed, self-back-padding, grandstanding, and publicly a belittling person of other FRiends ("lecturing") that we have seen here for the longest time I can remember!!!

BTW do you a gun or guns in your household???

639 posted on 08/04/2010 10:24:34 AM PDT by danamco (")
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To: RachelFaith
Romans 1:28-32 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient..., undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

My former Pastor, the late Dr. James D. Kennedy, would often refer these verses to the homosexual lifestyle, you think that we FReepers are homophobes, sound like???

However, you conveniently skipped over Matthew 7:1-6 where he says: "Judge not , that you be not judge. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. And why do look at the speck in your brother's eyes...etc."!!!

So, yes, I must conclude that by my post # 639 to you, I'm a bigger sinner than you???

640 posted on 08/04/2010 11:01:45 AM PDT by danamco (")
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To: RachelFaith
Number 1: He is hiding exactly what you feel he is hiding.

Number 2: He isn't hiding what you think he is hiding, but is hiding something else, more personally damning, but not the smoking gun you seek.

Number 3: He isn't really hiding anything, but at least all the hard right which could be busy actually stopping him and informing the public about the real aims of his policies is distracted with chasing this Snipe.

How in the world do YOU know how I feel???

Please get off your rocker and stop playing Psychic here!!!

641 posted on 08/04/2010 11:12:18 AM PDT by danamco (")
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To: danamco

OK, three replies. Let me take them one at a time please.

First, the Sarah Palin reply. That is not an indulgent post or vanity. It too is a reply. A reply to the post where some troll suggested that Sarah say to me that I lack Cojones.

So, I replied with two parts. First, that it would be silly for her to say this about me, since we are both female. Second, it would be unlikely that she would respond to me in such language because we have spoken and I am a known person to her.

It is not a random vanity, but a direct and refuting post to someone else’s insulting remark.

Further clarifying it: I have met every single Republican, and a few Democrats, who has ever vied for the office of the Presidency since Reagan! Although I was only 3 at that time. How and why? In case you are of doubtful dispensation.

I live in Iowa. Home of the first in the nation caucus. My father is a former Republican party official and a very large donor. If you and your wife would choose to make a maximum donation for the general and the primary and likewise ask half a dozen or so of your business partners and friends to do the same. You could bundle a $50,000+ contribution and you too could have lunch and drinks with about anyone you so wished. It is not hard to understand.

Now, you posed what I think was a question. Although your typos left out a verb or such.

Were you asking if I owned a firearm? I am not sure what that has to do with anything, but yes. I do. I own two myself and of course was raised in the country around all types.

I own a Colt M1911 model A1 .45 APC and it’s smaller 9mm .380 auto the Colt Mark IV. The 1911 is my favorite small arms weapon of all time. Second, is my Father’s original M1921 Thompson. Those babies are just sweeeeeet.

Now, if you’d care, you can look over my posting history and search for these terms, as you will find me on MANY of the firearms threads and law enforcement threads as well.

See you on reply #2.


642 posted on 08/04/2010 11:43:21 AM PDT by RachelFaith (2010 is going to be a 100 seat Tsunami - Unless the GOP Senate ruins it all...)
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To: danamco
If Obama was born in the USA, then he could not lose his citizenship by living in Indonesia, nor could his parents make any decisions that would cost him his citizenship. Nothing they did would cost him citizenship, and re-entering the USA on an Indonesian passport would not cost him his US citizenship.

And the courts have frequently used native born and natural born as synonyms...so yes, Obama would still be eligible to be President.

As I pointed out previously, the Supreme Court has already said, "“Appellant, who was born in Germany, came to this country with her parents as a child and acquired derivative American citizenship. She lived abroad since graduation from college, became married to a German national, and, except for two visits back to this country, has lived in Germany for the past eight years. The State Department denied her a passport, certifying that she had lost her American citizenship under § 352(a)(1) of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, which provides that a naturalized citizen, with exceptions not material here, loses citizenship by continuous residence for three years in the country of origin.... ...A native-born citizen is free to reside abroad indefinitely without suffering loss of citizenship. The discrimination aimed at naturalized citizens drastically limits their rights to live and work abroad in a way that other citizens may. It creates indeed a second-class citizenship. Living abroad, whether the citizen be naturalized or native born, is no badge of lack of allegiance, and in no way evidences a voluntary renunciation of nationality and allegiance. It may indeed be compelled by family, business, or other legitimate reasons."

643 posted on 08/04/2010 11:46:03 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (When the ass brays, don't reply...)
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To: danamco

You have taken the passage in Romans out of context. While it is true that Homosexuality, along with other abuses, such as adultery, and fornication are included in the terms “Sexual Immorality”, that is but one.... ONE... of 24 other sins.

It was these OTHER sins that I bolded, and directed towards the unrighteousness,... wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient..., undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful behaviors of SOME of the posters on this topic when discussing the issues among those with other points of view.

It has and had nothing to do with sex. It has everything to do with ALL the others. Those are the wicked behaviors being brought out against fellow brethren, sisters, and FRiends, just because we think some of you are a little naive in the pursuit of this birther nonsense.

That is a reasonable position, and demands a calm, rational and reasonable response. And I pointed out, that any such insulting, harassing, and uncharitable responses were due to the selfish hardening of one’s heart. Nothing more or less.

Now, Dr, Kennedy. You attend his church? I did twice actually. Once in 2004 when visiting my cousin who lives a block off the beach, and then again after Dr Kennedy had passed in 2008.

While I am not a supporter of the Dominion Doctrine, I never the less has profound respect for and a sincere belief in his salvation. As a Dispensationalist, I am more a follower of Chuck Swindoll, Chuck Smith and Chuck Missler.

I hope this clears that up.


644 posted on 08/04/2010 11:53:42 AM PDT by RachelFaith (2010 is going to be a 100 seat Tsunami - Unless the GOP Senate ruins it all...)
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To: danamco

Consider:

“The Department has a uniform administrative standard of evidence based on the premise that U.S. citizens intend to retain United States citizenship when they obtain naturalization in a foreign state, subscribe to a declaration of allegiance to a foreign state, serve in the armed forces of a foreign state not engaged in hostilities with the United States, or accept non-policy level employment with a foreign government.”

http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_778.html


645 posted on 08/04/2010 12:02:46 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (When the ass brays, don't reply...)
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To: danamco

OK, #3.

Please. Can you lose the drama and stay on the topic? If you think I have one of the issues presented incorrectly or unclearly, please, just restate it, I am not trying to play games, but come to a clear defining element of fact between us on this issue.

I said: There are only 3 possible reasons for Obama to hide every record and these are the 3 of which I can see. If you have a 4th or think of a better way to say these 3 so be it. Just do so polity and the dialog will continue.

1> He is hiding exactly what you feel he is hiding. He is NOT an American.

2> He is hiding bad stuff, but its not his status as NB. It’s just something else. Likely not as damaging.

3> He isn’t hiding anything significant at all, and is just making sure you are wasting your time so he can more easily destroy America while you chase rabbits.

Now, is there ANYTHING controversial about this? Those ARE the 3 major possibilities? Right?

Most of you think it is #1... I think it is NOT #1 and is more likely #3 or maybe some of #2.

That’s ALL. Just a simple, straight forward, logical, difference of opinion to which, reasonable people should be able to have discourse.

So why all the posturing? Why the insults? Why not REASON?

Why?

Well... here goes... I have a theory... as does most of the rest of the public.

When we try an be reasonable and have just a normal discussion on the various possibilities, those who believe it is #1 and further believe that a vast conspiracy is preventing the truth from coming out, have painted themselves into a corner to which logic can no longer reach.

Meaning, if you believe that #1 and only #1 are possible, and you further believe that anyone who suggests other possibilities is a co-conspirator as part of #1... you have lost the ability to reason.

It makes even entertaining #2 and #3 treasonous acts. Do you see this? It is a self perpetuated catch 22. A logic causality loop.

All, I want. All most of your fellow FRiends seek, is a respectful and honest exchange of the ideas that MAYBE... just MAYBE... there is LESS importance to this issue than is met at first passing.

I call that, the dialog... the exchange of ideas... sane.

I call the closed minded, uber defensive refusal to discuss, the use of pejorative sexual insults, and the continuous belittling personal attacks.... INSANE.


646 posted on 08/04/2010 12:08:14 PM PDT by RachelFaith (2010 is going to be a 100 seat Tsunami - Unless the GOP Senate ruins it all...)
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To: whence911; danamco

I am calling for a complete and full disclosure of his records also. I am just suggesting that you will be disappointed to find nothing as significant as you hope. But I do believe that all those who seek public trust of office should be transparent. I just choose not to make a mockery of the process or imagine in vain what may or may not be the case.


647 posted on 08/04/2010 12:11:37 PM PDT by RachelFaith (2010 is going to be a 100 seat Tsunami - Unless the GOP Senate ruins it all...)
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To: RachelFaith

“As a Dispensationalist, I am more a follower of Chuck Swindoll, Chuck Smith”


My wife support Swindoll and loves Chuck Smith from her time at graduate school in Sacramento.
Dr. Kennedy built CRPC out of a congregation of 17 members by implementing the Evangelin Explosion (E.E.) very successful, expanding it world wide. We would event see his telecast on TV during our stays in Scandinavia, where we got married!

One sermon stuck with me when preaching on abortion, where he many times said: “And 300,000 pulpits in America was/is SILENT,” with strong emphasis!!

After his passing Billy Graham’s grandson came with his warehouse congregation and chased away the elderly members who were the pillars (financially) of the church!!!

So somewhere there seems to be a common ground, regardless your opposing our “naive” Constitutional philosophy?

I wish this young man was running in my district, unfortunately Kendrick Meet “occupying that seat inherited after mom Carrier. I would have no qualms voting for this Christian, who like us is for the Constitution!

When they took out bibles and ten commandments in our school everything went down hill!!

http://wakeup1776.blogspot.com/2010/08/jason-sager-talks-about-god-and-our.html


648 posted on 08/04/2010 12:35:43 PM PDT by danamco (")
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To: RachelFaith
So why all the posturing? Why the insults? Why not REASON?

You hypocritically insults me and other Constitutionalists FReeper FRiends when calling us by a derogatory name "Birthers" which we are far from. The B.C. is totally irrelevant to his NBC status which the lib media uses generously as well you do too, and you know it if you are honest with yourself???

649 posted on 08/04/2010 12:51:16 PM PDT by danamco (")
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To: Mr Rogers

Did you read post # 632, a document, - if authentic - dated Aug. 27, 1967?

Why would they ask for the child’s status, if he not what you claim he is??

Would it NOT show that your dear leader in the W.H. has some questionable background, that we have the right to know of a person (an usurper) who want to lead you and me, huh???

It certainly seems very strange and odd to me and NOT conspiratorial!!!


650 posted on 08/04/2010 1:02:47 PM PDT by danamco (")
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