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Officials kill grizzly bears to head-off lawsuits before they arise
Bear Attack Examiner ^ | July 31, 2010 | Dave Smith

Posted on 08/01/2010 8:58:12 AM PDT by george76

Wildlife officials have killed a grizzly bear in Wyoming and a grizzly bear in Montana to head-off potential lawsuits.

The Montana grizzly killed and partially consumed Kevin Kammer at a Gallatin National Forest campground near Cooke City, Mont. on July 29. The Wyoming grizzly killed 70 year-old botanist Erwin Evert on June 17 on the Shoshone National Forest near the East Entrance of Yellowstone National Park.

The circumstances were quite different, but the decision to kill the bears was undoubtedly influenced by a 1996 court case over the terrible bear mauling of 16 year-old Anna Knochel at a U.S. Forest Service campground near Tucson, AZ. She was mauled by a bear that had recently inflicted minor injuries on another girl. Knochel and her family filed a $15 million lawsuit against the State of Arizona (Arizona Game & Fish Department) and the Forest Service.

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1 posted on 08/01/2010 8:58:15 AM PDT by george76
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To: george76
Cold read:

Officials kill grizzly bears to head-off lawsuits dead people before they arise

2 posted on 08/01/2010 9:01:22 AM PDT by WVKayaker (The object of oratory is not truth but persuasion. -Lord Thomas Babington Macaulay)
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To: george76

Seriously? lawsuits gone crazy. Does the public really expect the rangers to protect them from the wild animals. You enter a wildlife area at your own risk.


3 posted on 08/01/2010 9:01:54 AM PDT by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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To: george76

Do we really need these grizzlies at all??


4 posted on 08/01/2010 9:02:15 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (What)
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To: george76

Can’t this same rule be applied to illegals?


5 posted on 08/01/2010 9:03:22 AM PDT by donhunt (Where does this totalitarian ashwipe get off telling me I can't chose for myself?)
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To: Sacajaweau

I dunno, do we really need you?


6 posted on 08/01/2010 9:03:56 AM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: Sacajaweau

“Do we really need these grizzlies at all??”

Ah, finally the right question is being asked.


7 posted on 08/01/2010 9:08:14 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Katya; proud_yank; jazusamo; girlangler; Grammy; LucyT; Candor7; rellimpank; NVDave; GladesGuru; ...

The ESA protections on grizzly bears as “ endangered “ should be removed.

Then allow grizzly bear hunting


8 posted on 08/01/2010 9:09:30 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Da Coyote

Ya, the libs can go up to them and give them a big hug. How warm and fuzzy.


9 posted on 08/01/2010 9:09:59 AM PDT by donhunt (Where does this totalitarian ashwipe get off telling me I can't chose for myself?)
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To: george76

Being mauled by a bear would be one of the worst things I can think of. The wounds would get horribly infected no matter how they cleaned them. The recovery would take a long time.


10 posted on 08/01/2010 9:14:29 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Da Coyote
I went back and looked at what the enviro folks were doing....200 field folks...getting hair samples and doing DNA tests to determine the population.

They bait areas to get these samples.

Lo and behold...this endangered species isn't so endangered after all.

"Bait It and They Will Come". We are stupid aren't we!!!

11 posted on 08/01/2010 9:15:03 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (What)
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To: Sacajaweau
Do we really need these grizzlies at all??"

Rather than wipe out the species just make sure they are confined to a viable wildlife area;but stop pretending wild predators and humans can co-exist peacefully.(This also applies to two-legged predators).

12 posted on 08/01/2010 9:15:03 AM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: george76
I wonder if the new Health Care Reform bill covers anger management counseling for grizzlies.

I don't think rehab is out of the question when done by qualified government certified wildlife management mental health professionals.

13 posted on 08/01/2010 9:17:03 AM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: george76

A somewhat gruesome end, turned into Grizzly bear feces.


14 posted on 08/01/2010 9:17:54 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: hoosierham
Rather than wipe out the species just make sure they are confined to a viable wildlife area;but stop pretending wild predators and humans can co-exist peacefully.(This also applies to two-legged predators).

Well a national park is certainly a viable wildlife area.

15 posted on 08/01/2010 9:19:22 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: hoosierham
Looking at the enviro method...They bait these bears with fish guts and cattle blood.

So if you're fishing in the Park, burn your clothes and douse yourself with clorox.

I'd be curious to find out if those last victims had been fishing. That smell doesn't go away.

16 posted on 08/01/2010 9:20:24 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (What)
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To: Katya
Seriously? lawsuits gone crazy. Does the public really expect the rangers to protect them from the wild animals. You enter a wildlife area at your own risk.

If those same officials make it impossible for the individual to protect themselves from bears then, yes, they should get sued if they fail to protect the public. Either authorize the carrying of large bore handguns and rifles or shoot every Grizzly in the parks, or just shut the parks down altogether. People expect to be safe in the parks, unreasonable as that sounds, because they have been led to believe they will be safe.

There is no waiver that a person signs when they go into Yellowstone that absolves the Park Service if the tourist happens to get killed by a Grizzly or other animal. At the very least the dangers of being in the park or, as in the most recent case, near the park should be made very clear to the public.

17 posted on 08/01/2010 9:21:43 AM PDT by calex59
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To: donhunt
Maybe we should get them classified as an "invasive species."
18 posted on 08/01/2010 9:21:43 AM PDT by rabidralph
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To: hoosierham
My sister in law bought a house in Montana, after she bought it she learned it is right beside a Grizzly Bear Refuge. Guess what, they are not “confined”, they roam around the entire area even her yard.
19 posted on 08/01/2010 9:24:04 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Katya
Does the public really expect the rangers to protect them from the wild animals.

We expect government to NOT reintroduce or increase populations of dangerous animals that were either previously hunted out for good reason, or were never present in the lower 48.

These grizzly and wolf "reintroductions" are deliberate attempts to wipe out humans and/or keep us out of rural areas. It's a communist thing.

20 posted on 08/01/2010 9:24:27 AM PDT by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: FreeReign

Then the second part comes into play:stop pretending predators are just different but nice furry (or not) people,and be prepared to defend yourself when in predator territory.


21 posted on 08/01/2010 9:24:35 AM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: george76

I suspose KILL THE BEARS BEFORE THEY KILL AGAIN is not a suitable reason?

Insanity rules!


22 posted on 08/01/2010 9:25:51 AM PDT by Carley (For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.)
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To: hoosierham

Exactly.


23 posted on 08/01/2010 9:30:24 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: george76

Or visitors to National Parks should be allowed to have firearms...


24 posted on 08/01/2010 9:31:16 AM PDT by tubebender (Life is short so drink the good wine first...)
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To: george76

Just sayin'....

25 posted on 08/01/2010 9:32:05 AM PDT by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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To: hoosierham
Having too many Grizzlies living in your back yard is a whole different story than having too many Chipmunks living there.
26 posted on 08/01/2010 9:32:20 AM PDT by TYVets
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To: hoosierham

If these greenies had their way we’d still have dinosaurs around today. Protected, no doubt.


27 posted on 08/01/2010 9:33:31 AM PDT by donhunt (Where does this totalitarian ashwipe get off telling me I can't chose for myself?)
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To: george76

Couldnt people apply “dont swim with sharks” logic to bears?


28 posted on 08/01/2010 9:37:27 AM PDT by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: george76
The Montana grizzly killed and partially consumed Kevin Kammer at a Gallatin National Forest campground near Cooke City, Mont. on July 29.

The Montana grizzly partially consumed Kevin Kammer, who later died of his injuries at a Gallatin National Forest campground near Cooke City, Mont. on July 29.

There, fixed it.

29 posted on 08/01/2010 9:37:57 AM PDT by an amused spectator (Watching the MSM with Obama is like watching Joslyn James with Tiger Woods)
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To: MarineBrat

That gun is FUN to shoot.


30 posted on 08/01/2010 9:40:26 AM PDT by an amused spectator (Watching the MSM with Obama is like watching Joslyn James with Tiger Woods)
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To: Raider Sam

Pleistocene re-wilding

http://www.coxandforkum.com/archives/000650.html


31 posted on 08/01/2010 9:41:07 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: hoosierham
Rather than wipe out the species just make sure they are confined to a viable wildlife area,,,

We need adopt the legislation a New Jersey State Representative introduced.

His plan was to make Northern New Jersey a bear free zone.

Sorry to say I don't remember what color signs he was going to use to get the New Jersey black bears to comply.

32 posted on 08/01/2010 9:46:02 AM PDT by TYVets
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To: an amused spectator

Yes it is. I bought it new about 25 years ago. I’ve always called it Big Mo. :) Stainless steel .44 mag, Ruger Super Blackhawk, 7.5” barrel. I know there’s bigger and fancier pistols out there now, but this one is made for backpacking alone where high tech (or any tech) is not always a good idea. Powerful, reliable and accurate. The single action makes me comfortable using it as a pillow stuffer. :)


33 posted on 08/01/2010 9:50:14 AM PDT by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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To: TYVets

The “Deer Crossing” signs always amuse me.


34 posted on 08/01/2010 9:50:34 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (What)
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To: george76
I don't know about any of the other commenters on this subject, but I live in Grizzly country. They pretty well stay to themselves. A couple are killed each year by hunters who "mistake" them for black bears, but mostly, they just hang out eating whatever they can find. Haven't had an attack here in about five years. The last one was an really interesting one: A young woman was babysitting a couple of toddlers. They cooked some BBQ and were playing in the back yard when the babysitter spotted the griz coming at them. She managed to get the kids and herself into the house just as the bear caught up. He pawed at the sliding glass door trying to get at them. While he was doing this, the babysitter got a 270 Remington rifle. The griz moved away from the door a little bit and babysitter poked the rifle out and shot him at point-blank range, killing him.

There were no charges filed by Idaho Fish & Game.

The bottom line is that people who go into bear country unprepared for what might happen are pretty foolish. The enviro's have created these situations by disarming sensible folks. In this case, while I don't know if anyone was armed at the scene but bears are smart. They know when they are in danger and avoid these situations. IOW, these incidents are largely preventable. If people who aren't prepared to kill a predator go into bear country, they're prey Period.

35 posted on 08/01/2010 9:51:46 AM PDT by oneolcop (Lead, Follow or Get the Hell Out of the Way!)
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To: TYVets

Somehow I hadn’t placed chipmunks in the predator category.


36 posted on 08/01/2010 9:57:12 AM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: oneolcop

Brigitta Fredenhagen was killed and partially consumed by a grizzly at a backcountry campsite in Yellowstone National Park...

Good that people are now allowed to carry a gun for self defense.


37 posted on 08/01/2010 9:58:43 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: oneolcop
How about cow bells in the trees around your camp....Oh yeh...you want to sleep....

Maybe if it's not windy..

Ya need a trigger to scare the b'jeebies out of a bear...."Carol Burnett"????

38 posted on 08/01/2010 10:00:42 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (What)
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To: tubebender

Self defense is an excellent idea


39 posted on 08/01/2010 10:04:59 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

Lightbulb.. (ping)

Why not relocate problem bears to a certain Nat’l Forest in AZ that abuts the Mexican border??
The one that is off limits to Americans.


40 posted on 08/01/2010 10:07:54 AM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: Vinnie

They should but it would against the liberal agenda.

The DUmmies Forest Service eco-nuts even remove the Border Partol viewing stations ( on the illegals ) ...for the envirnoment.


41 posted on 08/01/2010 10:14:13 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Katya
When the law is such that a person cannot defend themselves against a bear the government entity should be sued...Let people who go into wildness areas carry big guns, then they can be said to have taken a reasonable risk in such areas.

But to disarm people, it means that humans are an easy snack for a bear, no long teeth or claws to defend with....arming is the only protection a human has.

If all the bears in the area are eliminated, no more problem and people will be safe....

There were reasons our ancestors killed top of the line predators...then some idiot reintroduces them to human habitats....

42 posted on 08/01/2010 10:21:01 AM PDT by goat granny
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To: an amused spectator

Since you were there why didn’t you help him?

Or at least video it?


43 posted on 08/01/2010 10:23:48 AM PDT by Eaker (Pablo is very wily)
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To: george76
"Then allow grizzly bear hunting."

They do...in Alaska.

Wife & I leave Nawth Flawaduh in about 10 days for a 7 week trip to Alaska, where I'll be hunting brown/grizzly bears about 250 miles west of Anchorage.

We need new carpet.

44 posted on 08/01/2010 10:28:08 AM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: Vinnie
Great idea! Like the suggestion that those pesky alligators that have killed golfers in Florida should be transferred to the Rio Grande between Texas and Mexico.
45 posted on 08/01/2010 10:28:19 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Vinnie
Great idea and also send vicious pit bulls to the same area. they would be evenly matched. Solves 2 problems..(but I think the bear has a little advantage)

Opps, solves 3 problems...

46 posted on 08/01/2010 10:28:48 AM PDT by goat granny
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To: hoosierham

I don’t know too much about confining grizzly bears to an area, could they not get over things as they can climb trees? I don’t think we can rely on electric fences as electricity service can go down.


47 posted on 08/01/2010 10:29:47 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: hoosierham
Outdoor writer Jim Zumbo once wrote "having a grizzly wander though my yard from time to time is a small price to pay for having these magnificent bears exist in this area". (Cody, Wyoming)

To each his own. Personally I prefer that my great grandsons can play in my yard without a grizzly wandering by.

48 posted on 08/01/2010 10:31:17 AM PDT by TYVets
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To: TYVets
Outdoor writer Jim Zumbo once wrote

He also wrote that there was no valid use for "black rifles" and got fired.

49 posted on 08/01/2010 10:34:24 AM PDT by Eaker (Pablo is very wily)
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To: Sacajaweau
The “Deer Crossing” signs always amuse me.

We need a Deer Patrol Czar here in Missouri, our deer don't obey them!

50 posted on 08/01/2010 10:37:30 AM PDT by TYVets
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