Skip to comments.Passport of Obama's Mama (accidentally on purpose?) Destroyed
Posted on 08/01/2010 8:57:49 PM PDT by geraldmcg
Finally when it appeared that the truth was going to come out once and for all about Obama's mysterious birth, the State Department wiggles out of producing records of Obama's mama's by saying that some circa '60's documents were destroyed, and that the records of Obama's mama, Stanley Ann Dunham, were missing.
This let down was the apparent end of a trail from a Freedom of Information Act request for those documents.
But the some documents provided from teh Freedom of Information Request, included two different locations and dates for STanley Ann Dunham's marriage to Lolo Soetoro, Barack Barry Hussein Obama's step-father from Indonesia.
already posted. cant happen
I doubt that we will ever learn what garbage dump Obambie was born in, but it obviously was not in Hawaii.
Gerald you certainly like to post things from WebToday.
August 1, 2010
Obamas Mothers Passport Records Prior to 1965 are Missing
“Last week, in response to a Freedom of Information Act request, the State Department released passport records of Stanley Ann Dunham, President Obamas mother but those records for the years surrounding Obamas 1961 birth are missing.”
“The State Department claims that a 1980s General Services Administration directive had resulted in the destruction of many passport applications and other non-vital passport records, including Dunhams 1965 passport application and any other passports she may have applied for or held prior to 1965.”
“The claim made in the FOIA response letter that many passport records were destroyed during the 1980s comes despite a statement on the State Department website that claims Passport Services maintains U.S. passport records for passports issued from 1925 to the present.”
I doubt that we will ever learn what garbage dump Obambie was born in, but it obviously was not in Hawaii.
0bama was scaped from the bottom of the bottom of some horrible, filthy, dark and evil place.
0bama should go BACK to Hell where he belongs.
I really think, while well meaning-n-all the whole birth movement is shooting for the wrong target.
Barry was born in Hawaii.
But he was born to an American mother and a Kenyan father, a British subject.
He was then adopted by an Indonesian after the man married his mother and they moved to Indonesia.
The reason he won’t release any of his college transcripts or his passport information is that while in college he pretended to be Barry the Kenyan, when that was politically advantageous for him, he pretended to be Obama the Indonesian Muslim when that was politically advantageous for him and he pretended to be Barry the black man when that was politically advantageous for him...
He in all likelihood did travel to Pakistan in the 80’s, most likely using a British passport obtained by way of his birth fathers ancestry.
He has falsified official documents, college applications, financial aid paperwork etc...
And I think he was a mediocre student who passed only because of affirmative action, not by way of his grades.
All of this is a huge legal mess that would take an army of lawyers to argue, none of it is crystal clear but its all wildly questionable and very embarrassing.
And that’s why the RATS are moving heaven and earth to hide it.
The RAT who is moving heaven and earth to hide this is 0bama himself.
the original article really doesn’t say much at does it? no dates,no time,no place, etc..........
Who knows, maybe the Brits have some passport records on Barry, and he doesn’t like them, knowing they may have the goods on him.
Hmmm, the only people that could have access to these files is the cia
The issues we need to be pushing is the definition of natural born citizen, and his parents, one an American the other a British Subject. Nobody disputes that fact.
The other issue we need to be pushing is the serious questions surrounding any possible adoption of Barry by Soetoro and the divorce papers of Obambi’s mom and Soetoro which alludes to Obama being adopted.
The whole idea that Bambi was born in Kenya, Canada, Mexico, Iran or on Pluto makes conservatives and all the Freepers who start foaming at the mouth anytime a story like this crosses the tabloids, look like loons.
I’m almost positive, based on the responses and actions of the HDOH, that Obama has never had a birth certificate from Hawaii that was ever legally worth more than toilet paper - including now. What he’s got now was amended in 2006, most likely to add medical information that was missing. Hawaii law says the probative value of an amended BC is determined when it is presented as evidence to a judicial or administrative person or body. Until that happens, what he’s got from Hawaii is the legal equivalent of Monopoly money.
Fukino did say they have a birth certificate for him. What she didn’t say - even though her failure to say so deceived Congress as they were deciding whether to press the eligibility issue - was that the BC they’ve got has no legal merit at this point.
Without a valid BC from Hawaii Obama had to use a BC from somewhere else in order to do anything that required his documentation - to get a driver’s license or passport, to run for Senate, etc.
Whatever documentation he used before 2006 is in the records that are all being hidden. Obama’s own passport was accessed 3 times, which required standard security protocols to be overlooked by the higher-ups in John Brennan’s company. In response to allowing those “breaches”, Brennan was rewarded by Obama with a position as National Security Advisor.
The whole thing royally stinks. Just about every law you can imagine has been violated and though it has been exposed law enforcement refuses to investigate.
Just take the statement that there was a directive to destroy these records. That doesn’t jive with the requirement that the stuff be kept permanently. It doesn’t match what is in other people’s records. And it doesn’t even match what is in Dunham’s own file, since only selected items are missing. Specifically the ones which are pertinent to Obama’s birth story. Why were they alone deleted?
Nothing in this official statement regarding the FOIA release appears to be accurate. It’s a big lie. How can these people be so comfortable with blatantly lying in front of the whole world? I know it’s their native tongue, but I’d think they would at least need to blink while doing it.
No legal documents have ever been produced which tell us Obama’s age, birthplace, or parents. None of those things have been legally determined in the US. He has no valid BC in Hawaii, since his is amended. And Washington State says they don’t have a BC for him either.
He’s been using some form of legal documentation his whole life long, and it’s not from anyplace in the US.
So exactly why do you think that anybody appears loony if they suggest that Obama probably wasn’t born in the US? The facts of the matter make it hard to support any other view.
But nobody is dealing with facts. They’re dealing with factless, ignorant emotion, and that should scare the heck out of all of us, just as the lawlessness that has been documented should scare the heck out of us - and the judiciary’s ability to tell the entire world that it’s none of our business if every law in the nation is broken by every bureaucrat and law enforcement agency in the nation.
These are deep, deep, FOUNDATIONAL problems. If we don’t figure out that our foundation is cracked and falling apart, there will be nothing that can save this nation.
I agree, the whole thing stinks... there’s a dead rat in the clothes hamper somewhere.
But I just think its not a Kenyan birth. I think its a lifetime of fraud, forged documents, lies and more lies as he played the race card to the max. Pretended to be everyone from Obama the Muslim to Barry the Black man as he sailed thru college on an affirmative action tidal wave.
And then one day he found himself in the Senate and then running for President and the scramble was on to whitewash his past.
The most damaging facts are right in front of everyones face.
Born of an American mother and a Kenyan father.
he is not a natural born citizen, that’s it, that’s all we need. The left cannot argue that fact, the media cannot white wash it and courts will have a hard time swallowing it in the face of four or five USSC rulings defining NBC as one being born of two citizen parents.
Chasing the pot at the end of the Obama birth certificate rainbow is foolish.
And what I'm posting is stories reporting where cops have been arrested, accused or sued for crimes and civil rights violations. Murdering unarmed people, running over kids on bikes, tazing 87 year old bed ridden grand mothers and 10 year old girls refusing to take a bath...
So its seems to swing both ways around here...
We have no idea who his father is.
Just like we have no idea where he was born or even how old he is.
We can’t even begin to address ANY of the questions about his eligibility or about why his past is hidden until ANY of our laws are able to stick. As long as he’s able to trot around pooping out little nuggets of rumor and that’s all he has to do, we can never pin anything on him legally.
Right now he is TOTALLY undocumented. There are no facts about his life that have been legally established, except that he was an Illinois and US Senator.
I think the lack of credibility on the part of the media impacts everything. It’s hard to know what reports to believe, so it’s hard to be outraged over anything.
I think we are seriously putting ourselves in a position where we can’t believe anything, can’t do anything about it even if something is blatantly wrong, and so it’s all just a big waste of time. That’s the level of cynicism we’re getting to, and unless we do something to rebuild the integrity and trust, this whole nation is just going to be postmodern mush, where nobody can know anything so who cares about anything.
It really is the whole foundation of civilization that the government, media, and law enforcement are screwing up. If we don’t fight back we will freeze to death with a sleepy smile on our faces.
At this point ANYTHING is possible because all we’ve ever been given has shown up to be inconsistent with what few facts we can document. I will actually be surprised if there’s anything we’ve been told that actually turns out to be TRUE. If there is anything true that we’ve been told, I haven’t found it yet and I’ve been looking for a while.
I have long believed in most of what you suggest here. Eventually...probably at the end of eight years of Presidency....someone will lay out proof of all of this. I think the Pakistan trip is the one item which will start the stumble. Oh, and instead of the British passport....I think it was a Kenyan passport.
The Brits have an FOIA - ask them to provide information about young Obozo's passport!
Thanks, I tend to just apply "Occam's Razor" to the whole issue and its what keeps coming back.
Your comments on FR are among the best there are. Absolutely.
The price the rats are going to pay is all the illegal garbage this moronic clown has done will be nullified.
I'd be willing to believe that with solid proof (hospital or home birth, it doesn't matter). If hospital: which hospital? If home birth, name the address.
The other two points--(1) born to a foreign national father (strike one) and (2) adopted by another foreign national father and becoming a citizen of that father's country (strike two)--remain valid. They are damning. Unfortunately most American voters today wouldn't understand their significance.
Such absolute BS;
The government back then and still always keeps records, and transfers them to other mediums for safe keeping so once again the sneak, cheat and liar just continues being so.
Your post is perfect till the last few words. I don’t think its been proven if they don’t understand or simply wouldn’t care.
“Fukino did say they have a birth certificate for him..... ...Obama had to use a BC from somewhere else”
Obama has TWO birth certificates? How does that work?
He’s been using some kind of official birth certificate his whole life long. My suspicion is that it’s a Kenyan BC.
Then in 2006 when he was considering a 2008 run for the presidency he amended a BC in Hawaii so that he can say he’s got a BC from there, even though it has no legal value because it’s been amended.
Since then he’s had to work on swapping out the one he had been using until 2006 with the one from Hawaii. But he knows that can’t really work because the one from Hawaii has no legal value and would never have been accepted for any of the things he used it on. So his entire strategy has to be to keep everything hidden. The only legally-valid BC he has is from someplace besides the US.
Based on everything the HDOH has told us, I believe that Madelyn Dunham submitted a report of a birth to the local registrar on Aug 8, 1961. But she forgot to include one of the 2 required medical pieces of information. Hawaii allowed a month for the child to be examined by a doctor in Hawaii, who could complete the medical items without any note of the BC being late or altered.
If this is what happened, then in 2006 Obama most likely got his communist doctor in Chicago to send a page from the medical record which had that birth detail included, taken from his Kenyan BC but not noting where the information had come from.
Obama’s BC in Hawaii now has a note saying that it was amended in 2006 by adding this medical detail.
The problem for Obama is that the only reason that medical detail would not have been available in 1961 when his grandma filed the report is if Obama was not in Hawaii within the first 30 days of his birth to be examined by a Hawaii doctor and have his BC completed.
IOW, even though the BC he has in Hawaii does claim a Hawaii birth (which is all Fukino claimed in her July 2009 statement), the amendment he made very strongly suggests that he was NOT born in Hawaii.
And the BC has no legal weight because it was amended. It can only acquire legal weight after it has been presented as evidence to a judicial or administrative person or body and they determine that is probative. Obama won’t allow that to happen - probably because the BC itself seems to refute the claims on it.
Thanks for your vote of confidence and encouragement. Things have been rough here the last few days and it means more than you can know.
Well, whatever else we disagree about, you are absolutely correct about that.
To me, the person who calls himself "Barack Hussein Obama" is a symptom, not the disease.
The disease is the fact that it was possible, even for a second, for him to be considered for the Presidency.
And, by whatever means he leaves office -from evidence of ineligibility being produced tomorrow to the inauguration of his successor in 2017 - if the disease is left untouched, we are finished.
Absolutely. That is what very few seem to comprehend. This whole thing with Obama has exposed just how vulnerable we are - because the government, media, and law enforcement are all so corrupt and the system as currently interpreted by the courts leaves no avenue for the people to hold any of these entities accountable before they inflict irreparable damage.
We are in serious doo-doo. The Founders warned us about this, and what they feared has come to pass. Unless America wakes up and realizes just how serious the situation is and insists on closing these vulnerabilities, America is done.
I am encouraged by Michelle Bachman, who said that if the R’s take the House they need to have wall-to-wall investigations just to get to the bottom of all the crap this nation has just suffered under.
There’s another thing I should add. We have freedom of the press and that is absolutely vital. But there is a federal law called the Federal False Information Act, which makes it a federal crime for anybody to deliberately deceive Congress - by what they say or by what they don’t say.
I was just in a tussle with Hutch News regarding their inaccurate statement that the HI SOS had come forward with Obama’s birth certificate. They refused to correct that statement. They could say it’s their prerogative to refuse to correct that because they have free speech. But it is also a federal crime to deliberately deceive Congress.
I know for a fact that my Congress critters relied on the Factcheck COLB and Fukino’s statements as reported by the press. I know that because I have letters from them saying so. I also know for a fact that the media sources and Fukino’s office have been alerted to the inaccuracy of their statements. I know that because I have the e-mails I sent them and which they ignored.
There are a heckuva lot of people who broke that federal law. And unless we hold them accountable for doing so, they can continue to deceive the American public including Congress - which is how this whole thing was able to happen.
If we can get people serious about the need for the rule of law, there is some serious, serious doo-doo that needs to be dealt with, and every media outlet who had the truth and instead reported deception better be shaking in their boots, as well as every government and law enforcement body who did the same.
Here is a site which describes the law I referenced.
A person doesn’t have to know that they are deceiving Congress. It doesn’t have to be a sworn statement or specifically presented to Congress. All that matters is that the person deliberately deceived and Congress ended up being among those deceived.
“The price the rats are going to pay is all the illegal garbage this moronic clown has done will be nullified.”
Do you think so? I’d love it, but would be happy (as a start) to see ANY of it nullified. Don’t think it’ll be possible, though, until after BHO’s out of office (please, God!), as he’ll veto any repeal(s) passed.
Only someone with presidential powers can veto.
If the Republicans are serious about undoing the damage they have only to file a lawsuit claiming that he is not able to veto anything because the 20th Amendment forbids him from having the presidential powers, since he “failed to qualify” by Jan 20, 2009. (The birth facts alleged on his amended Hawaii BC have never been legally determined, since it requires a special procedure for an amended BC, and Obama won’t allow that to happen).
And by the time the case was decided it would be too late for Joe Biden to veto it either.
The question is whether the Republicans, in the face of this communist coup, have the will to uphold the Constitution of the United States of America - which they eached swore an oath to defend.
Did they mean it, or were they just going through the motions? That will decide the fate of this country.
Each, not eached. lol
I habitually read as much of this information as possible, but I don't know about the 2 pieces of medical information required. I apologize if I missed it, but could you please repeat the medical information?
Secondly, do we know that he has a Communist doctor in Chicago? How do we know, or is that hyperbole?
Thirdly, going back to the missing passport records for Stanley Ann, the question should be asked whether she even owned a passport before 1965. We already know exactly where she was most of the time between 1961 and approx. 1964. She was going to school in Seattle, WA and Honolulu, HI where she met Lolo Soetero. She didn't need a passport to travel either place. And if she snuck off to have a child in Vancouver, Ca in 1961, she didn't need a passport to go there either. Most people in those days did not have passports, unless they were wealthy and world travelers. I don't think she qualified as either.
My mind is open to all kinds of shenanigans about this family. But it is possible that there were no passport records to expunge before 1965.
Fourthly, Madelyn Dunham couldn't have a Hawaiian doctor examine that baby for the medical facts needed for a valid BC because Stanly Ann was in Seattle attending UW summer school 2 weeks after he was born.
The big missing piece of this woman's life is where she spent her "confinement". Nobody saw her and there is no record of her between Dec. 1960 and Seattle in August/Sept. 1961 when she showed up to enter school with a baby in tow. There may be a beach picture from that period where she doesn't "show". But, do we know the actual date of the picture and the location of the beach?
Of course there are those nude pictures of her taken posing in a well furnished apartment decorated for Christmas around Dec. 1960. It is thought to be Frank Marshall's apartment, the perverted Communist writer & photographer. There ought to be DNA tests demanded, but I don't know any way to do that.
“Do you think so? Id love it, but would be happy (as a start) to see ANY of it nullified. Dont think itll be possible, though, until after BHOs out of office (please, God!), as hell veto any repeal(s) passed.”
Long as the GOP acts like the DNC’s Unick’s and keeps working like they never want to win again ,we have a problem, They have shot themselves in both feet and one hand so far one was the Unemployment then the BP money and the third was the 9/11 first responders,The Rats will beat on them with this.
These Idiots want to lose!
If he’s been using a Kenyan BC until 2006 and the his Hawaii BC has no legal value, doesn’t that mean that he’s been using a Kenyan passport until Jan 20 2008?
“Barry was born in Hawaii.”
Prove it !!!
Please don’t miss this.
We might add in the fact that our socialist scholar presidential momma Stanley Ann at one time worked for Tim Geitner’s father when he was head of the Ford Foundation and had them hiring socialists trying to figure out how starvation in Asia could be prevented with massive socialist planning.
Seems that the big socialist lie keeps being recycled and recycled.
1967- Government Inquiry Barack Hussein Obama Born in the US and Stepson of Lolo
He is living with the applicants spouse in Honolulu, Hawaii.
He [word stricken out with xxxx’s] is considered the applicants stepchild
He = Obama
applicant = Lolo?
Does this mean Obama legally adopted by Lolo?
Sorry to ask the obvious.
Duration of pregnancy, birth weight, and legitimacy are the 3 items required in the medical portion of the CDC’s Standard Birth Certificate for 1961. Everything required by the standard BC was also required by Hawaii law so no BC could be legally complete unless it contained those items.
Those items aren’t even printed on the long-form BC’s, much less the COLB’s, so Obama probably thought he could just add it to complete the BC and nobody would ever know. But the HDOH Administrative Rules say that any non-typo amendment made to the birth certificate has to be noted on any BC they print - including the abbreviated BC (COLB).
That’s why Obama had to make a forged COLB even though he could have a genuine one printed any time. The genuine COLB would have note that he added the birth weight in 2006. And he would have a 2006 BC#, because the BC was only completed when that birth weight was added.
And that missing birth weight is doubly problematic because it would have been so easy to resolve if Obama had actually been born in Hawaii. They had 30 days after the birth to get the baby to a doctor so that medical information could be added to complete the record. You’ve noted that as far as we can tell SAD was in Seattle 2 weeks after the birth. It’s still possible that she had the baby in Hawaii and then immediately traveled to Seattle. But if they went to the trouble of applying for a Hawaii BC for him I would think they’d have the baby examined so the BC could be completed - unless the child COULDN’T be examined by a Hawaii doctor because the baby wasn’t IN Hawaii, even during the 2 weeks before SAD was in Seattle.
Based on all the responses the HDOH has given, adding a birth weight is the only amendment that fits the responses. And it fits with other observed phenomena which I am not at liberty to reveal at this point.
I won’t reveal exactly what responses the HDOH have given which lead to this conclusion, because if the HDOH destroys the embedded transaction record for Obama’s file as they have destroyed other original evidence such as the original hand-written birth index for 1961 (or at least they claim it no longer exists), then the responses I’ve got on an external drive may be the only evidence left of what was REALLY done with his file. That is the danger when the fox guards the henhouse.
The fox IS guarding the henhouse and we all know it. That’s why it’s so outrageous that this passport FOIA response refers to records they imply may have been destroyed, even though such records are required to be permanent. At this point I think most of us realize that every government office is capable of breaking laws on Obama’s behalf, just as (so far) the Social Security Administration, Selective Service Administration, HDOH, and State Department have all apparently done - corrupting every official record that may exist for Obama.
Regarding Obama’s doctor in Chicago, his doctor at the time the amendment was made was David Scheiner, a Columbia University grad who protested the healthcare reform bill because it didn’t totally nationalize healthcare.
His partner is Quentin Young, one of the founders of the Democratic Socialists of America, which under the counsel of Francis Fox Piven (co-author of the Cloward-Piven Plan to overthrow America) morphed into The New Party in order to unite with the dems in an effort for the communists to take over the democratic party. Obama was a signed member of The New Party. As you probably know, Neil Abercrombie was also thick with the DSA. Quentin Young was at the party at Bill Ayers’ house where Obama was inducted into the Chicago political scene.
So no, I don’t believe that it is hyperbole to refer to Obama’s communist doctor. The communists in Chicago were all thick with each other, and that includes Obama’s doctor and his medical partner.
Based on the list of documents that can be used to furnish missing info on BC’s and the clues given by the HDOH’s own responses, I am almost certain that a page from a medical record was used to make this amendment.
We know that Obama used SOME kind of record to get into kindergarten, get his driver’s license, get a passport, etc. He didn’t have anything from Hawaii or Washington so it had to be from somewhere else. My suspicion is that Obama has a valid BC from wherever he was really born - whether that is Canada or Kenya. That BC was probably used to create a medical history for him which is in his medical file. By transferring the birth weight info from a Kenyan (for instance) BC to a medical file Obama’s doctor can “launder” the info so its original source is not known.
If you look in “Dreams” you’ll see that the details of Obama’s parents getting married, where they lived, etc are all very blurry. But there is one reference that is very concrete: the reference to Obama’s birth weight. If Obama and/or Ayers knew a birth weight for Obama it was from some other document besides the Hawaii BC if that was the item Obama amended. That would be evidence that there is a non-US birth certificate that SOMEBODY (specifically Obama, Ayers, and probably Scheiner & Young) has known all along.
Lucy, can you ping the list on this one?
Probably until whatever day they altered his passport records. I think the final passport breach was in March of 2008?
That is, unless he naturalized at some point, in which case he could have a US passport, if I understand correctly. But any documentation for his place of birth had to use a BC besides the Hawaii one. And even now, he could not use the Hawaii BC for official purposes.