Posted on 08/02/2010 12:11:35 PM PDT by massmike
This past Tuesday evening Brian Camenker of MassResistance addressed the Plymouth Rock Tea Party in Pembroke. Also making speeches were several well-known politicians and candidates.
Two days earlier, on Sunday, a Tea Party on the Lexington Battle Green was shut down by "fiscal-only" Republicans who were upset that "social issues" would be discussed if Brian Camenker of MassResistance were present.
Almost immediately after that, a member of the Plymouth Rock Tea Party (which has recently merged with the Cape and Islands group) contacted Camenker and said, "We heard what happened. Come on down and speak at our event on Tuesday."
It was a great evening and the Plymouth Rock Tea Party people are among the best! Apparently, the RINO Republicans weren't able to persuade the Plymouth Rock Tea Party or the candidates to stay away!
(Excerpt) Read more at massresistance.org ...
If they Gerrymander the social conservatives they’ll never have enough votes to defeat the communists..
IOW they’re cutting off their nose to spite their face.
Personally my reasons for supporting the tea party rallies have been primarily over the fact that government is out of control.
However I think the tea parties should start pressuring for accountability and answers about the white house use of the justice department to punish political opposition and suppress opposition votes.
I suspect that the “fiscal only” people are the ones pushing for a constitutional convention. The ones I’ve met pay lip service to social issues but all they really care about is their money.
How about showing the “fiscal fitness” folks a run-down of how much taxpayer money is being spent, or misspent, on ballyhooing depravity? A common agreement should not be difficult to reach.
About time
Single issue doofuses don't need to jump in and destroy a movement based on conservative priciples. Not all voluntary nformal members need to agree on everything.
What is wrong with these people?
why start a fight when theres no need to. If everyone agree on fiscal issues, we have a much larger coalition
Republicans fear the Tea Parties as much as the Rats and will do all they can to co-opt them. If that fails then they will try to destroy them.
These liberal conservatives fail to realize the fact that all 31 of 31 states that held referendum on perverted marriage told the perverts NO. All 31 states.. Even the peoples socialist liberal utopia of California.. LMAO
Tea party was a tax protest, not a social issues protest.
The more social conservatives try to make the Tea Party about their pet issues the more they will dilute the simple and central message of the Tea Party movement.
The entire social issue of marriage is about lining the pockets of trial lawyers and is anti-business. By making aspects of behavior covered by special rights the lawsuits will then follow. How anyone can say they are for good fiscal policy and limited government but then be against fighting the left on using Courts to tell people that have no right to representation on issues of right and wrong behavior is ridiculous.
You need to quit with the “RINO” crap. Enough already.
There are many GOP in power in DC who have staffers who are of the alternative lifestyle. The staffers decide where to point the politician.
I personally don’t see why the Tea Party has to be about anything more than governments spending, etc.
I don’t think the right to life groups need to discuss tax and spend issues.
That said, they both better get along because each is dead without the other.
Yea and when your business is being sued because it doesn’t want to march lockstep with the leftwing perverted morality then you can tell us how your position was a good one fiscally.
If you want to see an empty field just tell the RKBA activists, the right to life activists and other social issue groups to stay home. The tax issue people need to come right out and tell people if you are pushing for a constitutional convention hoping to change the tax structure. See how far you get with people then!
I don’t even understand why the gay marriage issue is an issue. For hundreds of years, the word marriage has always meant a union between one man and one woman. If gays want to have visitation rights in the hospital and other things, why do they have to change the definition of marriage? Why can’t they have a civil union? BTW, I do know the reason why, because their ultimate goal is societal acceptance of their deviancy as social norms.
I wonder how the “fiscal” conservatives would feel if the left decided to re-define the term tax cuts to also mean tha we will raise taxes only on the wealthiest Americans. Would that be okay by them?
Charlie Baker won’t go to a TEA party because on social issues, he’s to the Left of Barack Obama. “Fiscal Only” Republicans are mugging to get on the cover of Bay Windows. Tisei was also the only Republican to vote against the Income Tax Roll Back. He also spoke at a LIONS Club meeting in 2002 where he promoted the raising of taxes to address the state’s deficit. They have traded the Catholic vote for the Gay vote. See where that gets you. BTW, Mass Citizens for Life has endorsed Tim Cahill. Cahill also goes to TEA party rallies. The biggest draw at a TEA party is Sarah Palin and she’s big on social issues.
That would be the end of the bill of rights!
Many libertarians and independents are participating in the Tea Parties because they are about small government, decentralized government, individual liberty and responsibility and fiscal accountability and restraint. If you start throwing in the social issues, you lose them. Mandated and legislated behavior and morality can be in opposition to individual liberty on many fronts.
Personally the social is more important to me, but I see and agree with the fiscal concerns regarding Obamacare.
A CC would be disasterous.on many levels. If that were to happen the Constitution would be shredded and there would not be an opportunity to fix the problems we have now through constitutional means.
They are already working here on FR.
Except that most libertarians are not really libertarians at all. They just think that they are. You cannot claim to be for limited government and individual liberty and support the left-wing agenda of dictating from the Courts that the People have no say on what type of behavior they accept in their businesses. Or support a double standard in society whereas we force our troops to have to bunk with people who openly express a perverse desire for the same gender. These are not real libertarians but are phony. Any true libertarian would fully support the ‘right to association’ for all.
In 2011 state budget: Legislature votes to fund Mass. GLBT Youth Commission with $100,000 from federal Medicaid money.
GLBT Youth Commission also gets access to millions in state tax money!
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/govt10/budget/final_0625.html
If the Tea Party is only about fiscal issues it is no different then the GOP and is exactly what the Marxist want.It is also a waste of time and resources not to mention puts our nation in great peril. The social issues are what is destroying the fabric of our nation, communities and families. Our very survival is at stake here. That is why all this ‘racist’ brouhaha has been front and center. TPTB know full well if social issues get legs and the king can be shown to have no clothes on Marxism, globalism and multiculturalism will be derailed.
Groups like Freedom Works and various others have been trying since early on to co-pt the Tea Parity for this very reason. Defang and neuter.
Social issues in this country will NEVER be able to be discussed on equal footing until the federal government is severely trimmed down.
Getting rid of PBS and other government grants to the likes of Planned Parenthood, MUST be accomplished first.
Once the federal government is neutral, monetarily, in the ‘cultural wars’, only then can real debate begin.
That’s why I support the tea party movement and it’s quest for restoring fiscal sanity.
We need a Constitutional Convention to hold our
“representatives” accountable -—
and governable the same laws.
Today, they shred the Constitution daily
(eg. Romney in Massachusetts with his impositions
and pres_ _ent Obama daily by Executive fiat).
There can be no freedom without personal, individual, INTERNAL restraint. It’s simply an axiom, as individual internal controls are eschewed, external, governmental controls increase.
This is not a comment stating that the government should impose such restraints, quite the opposite. The individual must act in a moral way, or our liberty based Constitution will not be able to prevail.
The GOP is slowing showing its true colors...they are tyrants just like the Dems are...
“The ones I’ve met pay lip service to social issues but all they really care about is their money.”
And vice-versa, too.
I'd like to see tax reform too but if we must risk gutting the constitution to do it I want no part of it.
The tax reformers have had their fingers burned more than a few times on the con con issue, they would now rather not talk about it. I won't support anyone who will even consider pushing for a con con.
I don’t know how widespread it is, but I’ve heard quite a few fiscal types blame social conservatives for the loss of the middle/moderate vote. They want socials to keep quiet about their issues.
Why do you want to give them that chance?
How does limited government have anything to do with social conservatism? Wasn’t Bush a social conservative? There are plenty of social conservatives who are statists. Principles of limited government obviously align more closely with social conservatives than progressives, but that doesnt mean there isnt room in a limited government group for people who are not hardcore social conservatives.
If we cannot force government to respect the Constitution nothing will matter.
I think it's a good idea for the T Party to stay focused EXCLUSIVELY on fiscal issues.
There are dozens of groups that focus on social issues and they do it well.
I see no reason why there can't be just one, one nationwide organization that focuses on fiscal issues only. I also don't understand, other than fear of marginalization, why most SoCons would not support the T Party being a FISCALLY centered advocacy group.
Why do some see that as a threat?
Because we do not want a group pretending to be for limited government and individual liberty when it would then go on to possible endorse candidates that would support the leftist agenda of denying the people the right to representation on issues such as when life begins, or the definition of marriage, or using the Courts to force people to follow a perverse morality without any say at all, etc…..
I keep thinking I’m on Facebook and want to hit the ‘like’ button! Amen!
So, in fact, you would compel the T Party...or any party or organization for that matter...to toe the line on what you believe to be the most important issues before the country?
So, they do it your way or you walk? Or, do you not walk and stock around to force them by any means you can to support your point of view?
Why not just NOT JOIN THE T Party? Separate from them and work through the organizations that see the world your way?
Must you force them to do what they don't want to do?
Absolutely!
I am in favor for fighting for true Freedom, not license. Freedom is the right to choose from different "goods". License is anarchy at its core.
I am NOT going to support any organization that endorses candidates that seek to deny the people their right to representation and support giving the trial lawyers a boost in destroying the free market through lawsuits designed to promote fascism. If the TEA party or certain factions of it go that route then I will not support them.
I also have no problem speaking out on this issue at TEA party events and fighting it out with the phoney fiscal conservatives or phoney libertarians.
Any question you asked me could be turned right around on you. Are you going to try and force your views on the TEA party movement?
Silly. Since when has the GOP been about fiscal issues, or on the correct side of them anyway? Now is the time to concentrated on removing the big spenders, big taxers, and tramplers of the constitution from office.
These MassResistance folks should sheathe their swords, and joint libertarian minded Tea Partiers to remove the worst fiscal offenders. Have they not noticed that doing so will remove most of those pushing a left wing social agenda?
Specifically, what are you talking about? Who is being endorsed that is gung ho on giving lawyers power to sue in the name of fascism? Then, is they guy/gal worse on this apparent issue than his/her opponent?
First, what group is seeking to deny people the right to representation? Just because you dont like your representation doesnt mean you are being denied representation.
Secondly, the tea party is not going in “that route,” so there really are only two reasons you would need to make statement with such false bravado. You either:
1) Want to be the first person to diss the tea party if they do change so you can look like you are ahead of the game
or
2) You dont like the tea party now (whether because you dont like fiscal conservatives or you think they dont like social conservatives)
Either way, you are projecting (a lib tactic) your opinion of a fiscal conservative onto an entire movement.
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