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MassResistance warns of push to purge Tea Parties of "social" issues.
massresistance.org ^ | 08/02/2010 | n/a

Posted on 08/02/2010 12:11:35 PM PDT by massmike

This past Tuesday evening Brian Camenker of MassResistance addressed the Plymouth Rock Tea Party in Pembroke. Also making speeches were several well-known politicians and candidates.

Two days earlier, on Sunday, a Tea Party on the Lexington Battle Green was shut down by "fiscal-only" Republicans who were upset that "social issues" would be discussed if Brian Camenker of MassResistance were present.

Almost immediately after that, a member of the Plymouth Rock Tea Party (which has recently merged with the Cape and Islands group) contacted Camenker and said, "We heard what happened. Come on down and speak at our event on Tuesday."

It was a great evening and the Plymouth Rock Tea Party people are among the best! Apparently, the RINO Republicans weren't able to persuade the Plymouth Rock Tea Party or the candidates to stay away!

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1 posted on 08/02/2010 12:11:37 PM PDT by massmike
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To: massmike

If they Gerrymander the social conservatives they’ll never have enough votes to defeat the communists..

IOW they’re cutting off their nose to spite their face.


2 posted on 08/02/2010 12:17:08 PM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (The Tree of Liberty is long overdue for its natural manure)
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To: massmike

Personally my reasons for supporting the tea party rallies have been primarily over the fact that government is out of control.

However I think the tea parties should start pressuring for accountability and answers about the white house use of the justice department to punish political opposition and suppress opposition votes.


3 posted on 08/02/2010 12:17:27 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: massmike

I suspect that the “fiscal only” people are the ones pushing for a constitutional convention. The ones I’ve met pay lip service to social issues but all they really care about is their money.


4 posted on 08/02/2010 12:17:44 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter Of Fact, Not A Matter Of Opinion)
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To: massmike

How about showing the “fiscal fitness” folks a run-down of how much taxpayer money is being spent, or misspent, on ballyhooing depravity? A common agreement should not be difficult to reach.


5 posted on 08/02/2010 12:18:56 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: massmike

About time


6 posted on 08/02/2010 12:19:13 PM PDT by MadIsh32 (In order to be pro-market, sometimes you must be anti-big business)
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To: massmike
What is this "fiscal only" and "social issues" BS?

Single issue doofuses don't need to jump in and destroy a movement based on conservative priciples. Not all voluntary nformal members need to agree on everything.

What is wrong with these people?

7 posted on 08/02/2010 12:19:27 PM PDT by Publius6961 ("In 1964 the War on Poverty Began --- Poverty won.")
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To: DirtyHarryY2K

why start a fight when theres no need to. If everyone agree on fiscal issues, we have a much larger coalition


8 posted on 08/02/2010 12:20:39 PM PDT by 4rcane
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To: massmike

Republicans fear the Tea Parties as much as the Rats and will do all they can to co-opt them. If that fails then they will try to destroy them.


9 posted on 08/02/2010 12:24:00 PM PDT by Seruzawa (If you agree with the French raise your hand - If you are French raise both hands.)
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To: All

These liberal conservatives fail to realize the fact that all 31 of 31 states that held referendum on perverted marriage told the perverts NO. All 31 states.. Even the peoples socialist liberal utopia of California.. LMAO


10 posted on 08/02/2010 12:24:03 PM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (The Tree of Liberty is long overdue for its natural manure)
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To: massmike

Tea party was a tax protest, not a social issues protest.

The more social conservatives try to make the Tea Party about their pet issues the more they will dilute the simple and central message of the Tea Party movement.


11 posted on 08/02/2010 12:24:16 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

The entire social issue of marriage is about lining the pockets of trial lawyers and is anti-business. By making aspects of behavior covered by special rights the lawsuits will then follow. How anyone can say they are for good fiscal policy and limited government but then be against fighting the left on using Courts to tell people that have no right to representation on issues of right and wrong behavior is ridiculous.


12 posted on 08/02/2010 12:25:49 PM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: massmike

You need to quit with the “RINO” crap. Enough already.


13 posted on 08/02/2010 12:26:15 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K

There are many GOP in power in DC who have staffers who are of the alternative lifestyle. The staffers decide where to point the politician.


14 posted on 08/02/2010 12:27:00 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: massmike

I personally don’t see why the Tea Party has to be about anything more than governments spending, etc.

I don’t think the right to life groups need to discuss tax and spend issues.

That said, they both better get along because each is dead without the other.


15 posted on 08/02/2010 12:27:18 PM PDT by NeilGus
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To: allmendream

Yea and when your business is being sued because it doesn’t want to march lockstep with the leftwing perverted morality then you can tell us how your position was a good one fiscally.


16 posted on 08/02/2010 12:27:48 PM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: allmendream
No way! We must concentrate on all constitutional issues.

If you want to see an empty field just tell the RKBA activists, the right to life activists and other social issue groups to stay home. The tax issue people need to come right out and tell people if you are pushing for a constitutional convention hoping to change the tax structure. See how far you get with people then!

17 posted on 08/02/2010 12:33:18 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter Of Fact, Not A Matter Of Opinion)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K

I don’t even understand why the gay marriage issue is an issue. For hundreds of years, the word marriage has always meant a union between one man and one woman. If gays want to have visitation rights in the hospital and other things, why do they have to change the definition of marriage? Why can’t they have a civil union? BTW, I do know the reason why, because their ultimate goal is societal acceptance of their deviancy as social norms.

I wonder how the “fiscal” conservatives would feel if the left decided to re-define the term tax cuts to also mean tha we will raise taxes only on the wealthiest Americans. Would that be okay by them?


18 posted on 08/02/2010 12:35:41 PM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: NeilGus

Charlie Baker won’t go to a TEA party because on social issues, he’s to the Left of Barack Obama. “Fiscal Only” Republicans are mugging to get on the cover of Bay Windows. Tisei was also the only Republican to vote against the Income Tax Roll Back. He also spoke at a LIONS Club meeting in 2002 where he promoted the raising of taxes to address the state’s deficit. They have traded the Catholic vote for the Gay vote. See where that gets you. BTW, Mass Citizens for Life has endorsed Tim Cahill. Cahill also goes to TEA party rallies. The biggest draw at a TEA party is Sarah Palin and she’s big on social issues.


19 posted on 08/02/2010 12:36:43 PM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: NeilGus
Are you aware that some of the "fiscal only" people want a constitutional convention?

That would be the end of the bill of rights!

20 posted on 08/02/2010 12:37:41 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter Of Fact, Not A Matter Of Opinion)
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To: massmike

Many libertarians and independents are participating in the Tea Parties because they are about small government, decentralized government, individual liberty and responsibility and fiscal accountability and restraint. If you start throwing in the social issues, you lose them. Mandated and legislated behavior and morality can be in opposition to individual liberty on many fronts.


21 posted on 08/02/2010 12:38:04 PM PDT by marsh2
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To: Publius6961
Agreed Obamacare is about both fiscal and social issues.

Personally the social is more important to me, but I see and agree with the fiscal concerns regarding Obamacare.

22 posted on 08/02/2010 12:41:53 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free, Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

A CC would be disasterous.on many levels. If that were to happen the Constitution would be shredded and there would not be an opportunity to fix the problems we have now through constitutional means.


23 posted on 08/02/2010 12:43:16 PM PDT by Bruinator (God is Great.... Beer is good.... Muzzies are.........?)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K

They are already working here on FR.


24 posted on 08/02/2010 12:44:35 PM PDT by donna (Why did John McCain let it get so bad?)
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To: marsh2

Except that most libertarians are not really libertarians at all. They just think that they are. You cannot claim to be for limited government and individual liberty and support the left-wing agenda of dictating from the Courts that the People have no say on what type of behavior they accept in their businesses. Or support a double standard in society whereas we force our troops to have to bunk with people who openly express a perverse desire for the same gender. These are not real libertarians but are phony. Any true libertarian would fully support the ‘right to association’ for all.


25 posted on 08/02/2010 12:45:02 PM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: HiTech RedNeck

In 2011 state budget: Legislature votes to fund Mass. GLBT Youth Commission with $100,000 from federal Medicaid money.
GLBT Youth Commission also gets access to millions in state tax money!

http://www.massresistance.org/docs/govt10/budget/final_0625.html


26 posted on 08/02/2010 12:45:17 PM PDT by massmike (...So this is what happens when OJ's jury elects the president....)
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To: massmike

If the Tea Party is only about fiscal issues it is no different then the GOP and is exactly what the Marxist want.It is also a waste of time and resources not to mention puts our nation in great peril. The social issues are what is destroying the fabric of our nation, communities and families. Our very survival is at stake here. That is why all this ‘racist’ brouhaha has been front and center. TPTB know full well if social issues get legs and the king can be shown to have no clothes on Marxism, globalism and multiculturalism will be derailed.

Groups like Freedom Works and various others have been trying since early on to co-pt the Tea Parity for this very reason. Defang and neuter.


27 posted on 08/02/2010 12:45:41 PM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: massmike

Social issues in this country will NEVER be able to be discussed on equal footing until the federal government is severely trimmed down.

Getting rid of PBS and other government grants to the likes of Planned Parenthood, MUST be accomplished first.

Once the federal government is neutral, monetarily, in the ‘cultural wars’, only then can real debate begin.

That’s why I support the tea party movement and it’s quest for restoring fiscal sanity.


28 posted on 08/02/2010 12:45:49 PM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: Bruinator

We need a Constitutional Convention to hold our
“representatives” accountable -—
and governable the same laws.

Today, they shred the Constitution daily
(eg. Romney in Massachusetts with his impositions
and pres_ _ent Obama daily by Executive fiat).


29 posted on 08/02/2010 12:46:40 PM PDT by Diogenesis (Article IV - Section 4 - The United States shall protect each of them against Invasion)
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To: marsh2

There can be no freedom without personal, individual, INTERNAL restraint. It’s simply an axiom, as individual internal controls are eschewed, external, governmental controls increase.

This is not a comment stating that the government should impose such restraints, quite the opposite. The individual must act in a moral way, or our liberty based Constitution will not be able to prevail.


30 posted on 08/02/2010 12:46:54 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: massmike

The GOP is slowing showing its true colors...they are tyrants just like the Dems are...


31 posted on 08/02/2010 12:48:01 PM PDT by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

“The ones I’ve met pay lip service to social issues but all they really care about is their money.”

And vice-versa, too.


32 posted on 08/02/2010 12:50:14 PM PDT by Pessimist
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To: Bruinator
I've come to the conclusion that many of the tax reformers don't much care about anything else.

I'd like to see tax reform too but if we must risk gutting the constitution to do it I want no part of it.

The tax reformers have had their fingers burned more than a few times on the con con issue, they would now rather not talk about it. I won't support anyone who will even consider pushing for a con con.

33 posted on 08/02/2010 12:53:11 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter Of Fact, Not A Matter Of Opinion)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

I don’t know how widespread it is, but I’ve heard quite a few fiscal types blame social conservatives for the loss of the middle/moderate vote. They want socials to keep quiet about their issues.


34 posted on 08/02/2010 12:54:23 PM PDT by balch3
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To: Diogenesis
Do you think you can lay the Constitution on the table and start cutting and changing and even hope you will have anything identifiable left? You can't control a con con, the liberals would love a chance to shred the very concept of inalienable rights.

Why do you want to give them that chance?

35 posted on 08/02/2010 12:59:30 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter Of Fact, Not A Matter Of Opinion)
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To: massmike

How does limited government have anything to do with social conservatism? Wasn’t Bush a social conservative? There are plenty of social conservatives who are statists. Principles of limited government obviously align more closely with social conservatives than progressives, but that doesnt mean there isnt room in a limited government group for people who are not hardcore social conservatives.


36 posted on 08/02/2010 12:59:47 PM PDT by douginthearmy
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To: balch3

If we cannot force government to respect the Constitution nothing will matter.


37 posted on 08/02/2010 1:03:01 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter Of Fact, Not A Matter Of Opinion)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K
"If they Gerrymander the social conservatives they’ll never have enough votes to defeat the communists.. IOW they’re cutting off their nose to spite their face.

I think it's a good idea for the T Party to stay focused EXCLUSIVELY on fiscal issues.

There are dozens of groups that focus on social issues and they do it well.

I see no reason why there can't be just one, one nationwide organization that focuses on fiscal issues only. I also don't understand, other than fear of marginalization, why most SoCons would not support the T Party being a FISCALLY centered advocacy group.

Why do some see that as a threat?

38 posted on 08/02/2010 1:04:54 PM PDT by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: TheBigIf; Seruzawa; All
This is about MA, where in politics there is little to no such thing as a social conservatism. The Republicans nominated a fake marriage supporter who marched in the gay pride parade in Boston with his brother, and selected a gay supposed R for lieutenant gov. who also marched in the parade. The R's here have no interest in stopping the agenda they are knee deep in. And it is disgusting.
39 posted on 08/02/2010 1:08:03 PM PDT by gidget7 ("When a man assumes a public trust, he should consider himself as public property." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Mariner

Because we do not want a group pretending to be for limited government and individual liberty when it would then go on to possible endorse candidates that would support the leftist agenda of denying the people the right to representation on issues such as when life begins, or the definition of marriage, or using the Courts to force people to follow a perverse morality without any say at all, etc…..


40 posted on 08/02/2010 1:08:05 PM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: massgopguy

I keep thinking I’m on Facebook and want to hit the ‘like’ button! Amen!


41 posted on 08/02/2010 1:09:22 PM PDT by CatQuilt (Lover of cats =^..^= and quilts)
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To: marsh2
Pro-choice is not logically a libertarian view. As a libertarian I think responsibility is the key. Following that line if you choose to have unprotected sex and become pregnant then you must accept responsibility for the life inside you. You also have no reasonable expectation of taxpayer help. Go to your local churches for referral to someone who will help and accept the rough road you have chosen.
42 posted on 08/02/2010 1:13:55 PM PDT by Godthencountry (Fighting tyranny IS obedience to God.)
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To: massmike

Is this a case of RINOs using divide and conquer tactics to maintain a liberal power base in government?


43 posted on 08/02/2010 1:14:25 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: TheBigIf
"endorse candidates that would support the leftist agenda of denying the people the right to representation on issues such as when life begins, or the definition of marriage, or using the Courts to force people to follow a perverse morality without any say at all, etc….."

So, in fact, you would compel the T Party...or any party or organization for that matter...to toe the line on what you believe to be the most important issues before the country?

So, they do it your way or you walk? Or, do you not walk and stock around to force them by any means you can to support your point of view?

Why not just NOT JOIN THE T Party? Separate from them and work through the organizations that see the world your way?

Must you force them to do what they don't want to do?

44 posted on 08/02/2010 1:22:23 PM PDT by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: Altura Ct.
If the Tea Party is only about fiscal issues it is no different then the GOP and is exactly what the Marxist want.

Absolutely!

45 posted on 08/02/2010 1:24:25 PM PDT by frogjerk (I believe in unicorns, fairies and pro-life Democrats.)
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To: Altura Ct.
If the Tea Party is only about fiscal issues it is no different then the GOP and is exactly what the Marxist want.

I am in favor for fighting for true Freedom, not license. Freedom is the right to choose from different "goods". License is anarchy at its core.

46 posted on 08/02/2010 1:26:39 PM PDT by frogjerk (I believe in unicorns, fairies and pro-life Democrats.)
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To: Mariner

I am NOT going to support any organization that endorses candidates that seek to deny the people their right to representation and support giving the trial lawyers a boost in destroying the free market through lawsuits designed to promote fascism. If the TEA party or certain factions of it go that route then I will not support them.

I also have no problem speaking out on this issue at TEA party events and fighting it out with the phoney fiscal conservatives or phoney libertarians.

Any question you asked me could be turned right around on you. Are you going to try and force your views on the TEA party movement?


47 posted on 08/02/2010 1:35:09 PM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: Altura Ct.
If the Tea Party is only about fiscal issues it is no different then the GOP and is exactly what the Marxist want.It is also a waste of time and resources not to mention puts our nation in great peril.

Silly. Since when has the GOP been about fiscal issues, or on the correct side of them anyway? Now is the time to concentrated on removing the big spenders, big taxers, and tramplers of the constitution from office.

These MassResistance folks should sheathe their swords, and joint libertarian minded Tea Partiers to remove the worst fiscal offenders. Have they not noticed that doing so will remove most of those pushing a left wing social agenda?

48 posted on 08/02/2010 1:37:04 PM PDT by Minn (Here is a realistic picture of the prophet: ----> ([: {()
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To: TheBigIf
I am NOT going to support any organization that endorses candidates that seek to deny the people their right to representation and support giving the trial lawyers a boost in destroying the free market through lawsuits designed to promote fascism.

Specifically, what are you talking about? Who is being endorsed that is gung ho on giving lawyers power to sue in the name of fascism? Then, is they guy/gal worse on this apparent issue than his/her opponent?

49 posted on 08/02/2010 1:42:43 PM PDT by Minn (Here is a realistic picture of the prophet: ----> ([: {()
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To: TheBigIf

First, what group is seeking to deny people the right to representation? Just because you dont like your representation doesnt mean you are being denied representation.

Secondly, the tea party is not going in “that route,” so there really are only two reasons you would need to make statement with such false bravado. You either:

1) Want to be the first person to diss the tea party if they do change so you can look like you are ahead of the game
or
2) You dont like the tea party now (whether because you dont like fiscal conservatives or you think they dont like social conservatives)

Either way, you are projecting (a lib tactic) your opinion of a fiscal conservative onto an entire movement.


50 posted on 08/02/2010 1:46:28 PM PDT by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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