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Palin vs. Obama: It Could Happen and It Could Be a Close Election
The Huffington Post | August 4, 2010 | Robert Guttman, Johns Hopkins University

Posted on 08/05/2010 1:24:21 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

As most of our thoughts are now turned towards this fall and the possibility of a larger than usual loss for the party in power -- the Democrats -- we should take a minute to look ahead to the presidential contest in 2012.

With unemployment likely over the 10% mark by election day this November and hot topics like the war in Afghanistan, the spiraling deficit and immigration to name a few, the Democrats will suffer larger than usual losses but they might not be as dire as analysts and pollsters are predicting. The House and Senate may stay in control of the Democrats because in the final analysis even in an anti-incumbent mood many voters revert back to casting their ballots for someone they know rather than taking a chance with a newcomer.

However, once the midterms are over and new faces emerge on the GOP side who will immediately be cast as potential presidential possibilities in 2012, one person seems to have taken the lead for that position as we head into the 2010 midterms. That person is the ever present former Governor of Alaska Sarah Palin.

While many Democrats and pundits and others may laugh and scorn the former 2008 Republican vice-presidential candidates for her views and abruptly leaving her job as governor of Alaska and many of her other behaviors that seem to many as out of the mainstream, she actually seems to be doing quite well in positioning herself for the 2012 GOP presidential nomination. She is very actively promoting, endorsing and giving money to candidates who look like likely winners this November. She is on FOX News as a commentator and the public knows her views and opinions on the key issues of the day.(continued)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-guttman/presidential-possibilitie_b_670019.html


TOPICS: Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: 2012; bobjshillsforromney; democrats; obama; palin; sarahpalin
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They're finally waking up, but their base won't want to hear it...
1 posted on 08/05/2010 1:24:29 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Dead Democrats voting.
2 posted on 08/05/2010 1:25:46 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The only stable state is the one in which all men are equal before the law." -- Aristotle)
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To: All

Link to article:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-guttman/presidential-possibilitie_b_670019.html


3 posted on 08/05/2010 1:26:57 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try. ~Master Yoda)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Wait a few posting, you will hear from some on this site that do not want to hear it either.


4 posted on 08/05/2010 1:28:00 PM PDT by pennboricua
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
If Obama can get amnesty through for ILLEGALS, it will be him again as well as the usual round up of felons, dead animals and dead people voting for him. Ah, don't forget we just had the Census taken. It's all screwed up but that won't stop the Demoncrats from redistricting in their favor. Yes, there are many hurdles to over come. Motor voting will be in full swing as well as ILLEGAL campaign contributions and the New Black Panthers in full force with their clubs to intimidate WHITE voters.
5 posted on 08/05/2010 1:31:01 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I love Sarah and donate regularly to her PAC, but I'm not certain POTUS is the best spot for her. Personally, I really like what she's doing now, raising money, playing the role of King Maker, saying all the right things, energizing the populace.

The God-foraking liberals go absolutely apoplectic at the mere mention of her name, and while it's fun to watch them foam at the mouth, their poison sullies the political atmosphere and lessens enthusiasm amongst the “moderates” for doing the hard work it's going to take to undo all the damage the libs have done to this nation the last 50 years.

6 posted on 08/05/2010 1:32:52 PM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It Could Be a Close Election

All the more reason to MAKE 0bama prove to election officials in EACH and EVERY state that he is actually qualified under The Constitution to hold the office.

7 posted on 08/05/2010 1:34:48 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (REAL Americans Bow to No One But The Almighty! - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

TV and all the networks plus the media support Obama 100%. The sheep in america watching TV keep them in power.


8 posted on 08/05/2010 1:37:10 PM PDT by Frantzie (Television controls the American people/sheep)
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To: Owl_Eagle

Please tell me who it should be then? In the article, the author knocks down all her major competitors. Take a look...


9 posted on 08/05/2010 1:38:12 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try. ~Master Yoda)
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To: pennboricua

“some on this site that do not want to hear it either”

Yeah they usually have this resume:

* they decry the “War On Drugs”

* no one is conservative enough for them, except Ron Paul

* they hope Ron Paul will run in 2012

* every 3rd word they type is “RINO”

* every 8th word is “republicrat”


10 posted on 08/05/2010 1:38:21 PM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out ( <<< click my name: now featuring Freeper classifieds)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

By 2012 Obama will be lucky to be the candidate for the Democrats if they have any dreams of winning a Presidential election ever again..


11 posted on 08/05/2010 1:41:48 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA
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To: SECURE AMERICA

Wake up & smell the reality. He doesn’t give a damn about the polls. He doesn’t even care about November.


12 posted on 08/05/2010 1:44:08 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: SECURE AMERICA

I expect it will be Hillary. They need to find a way to keep Obama off the ticket for now. If even one state manages to require him to prove his eligibility, his candidacy can be challenged after the EC votes. They cannot afford to have everything undone in one swoop.


13 posted on 08/05/2010 1:45:01 PM PDT by Ingtar (If he could have taxed it, Obama's hole would have been plugged by now.)
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To: Species8472; Gator113; chris_bdba; snowrip; Chunga; DTogo; sarasota; NurdlyPeon; Do Be; ...
SARAH PALIN PING LIST "ping"



the Left's fascination continues, but they're starting to take her seriously....




14 posted on 08/05/2010 1:47:47 PM PDT by onyx (Sarah/Michele 2012)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; M. Espinola

IMHO — 0’s team wants to run against Palin. If fact, the usurper is desperate to face her in 2012. She proved last time the only thing going for her is her pretty face. If you people want to hand Zero the election on a silver platter, all you have to do is support Palin.


15 posted on 08/05/2010 1:52:15 PM PDT by ex-Texan (Ecclesiastes 5:10 - 20)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Lots can happen between now and then. Sarah Palin wasn’t thrust out there for national attention until 2008. Of course, the people thinking about running would do so before 2012. Chris Christie has indicated he wouldn’t run, but he would be a formidable opponent against Obama. I’ve heard Paul Ryan’s name mentioned. Jim DeMint. I like Sarah Palin. I will vote for her if she is the nominee. I know one thing, she wouldn’t pussyfoot around like the top of her ticket did. She wouldn’t say he would make a fine president that’s for sure. I do hope the Romneys and the Huckabees stay out of it. We don’t need already been chewed candidates, but I fear their egos are too big to resist.


16 posted on 08/05/2010 1:52:40 PM PDT by beaversmom
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Two of the three the author mentions. I like Mitch Daniels, Haley Barbour, and I'm a big fan of Ken Ryan. Ryan won't run though, I just heard he's said “Lots of people can be President, only I can raise my kids.”

So what if people don't know Mitch Daniels? Who knew Bill Clinton or The Dali Obama two years before the election? Who knew Sarah Palin two years ago?

Haley Barbour has an accent? Clinton didn't? G Dub didn't? Obama’s got an accent. Jimmuh Carter had one. The author is really digging for reasons to dismiss some of these guys. Now that I think about it, idiot liberals make fun of Sarah Palin’s accent all the time.

Hey, if she runs and wins, that's awesome. I completely see eye to eye with her. And the MSM and the rest of the libs can eat dirt for all I care. But this isn't about what you or I may want, unfortunately, it comes down to who the least informed, wishy-washy “moderates” are going to show up and vote for.

17 posted on 08/05/2010 1:52:59 PM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: Owl_Eagle

Damnit, I did it again. I had a close friend named Ken Ryan, plus the Phillies had a pitcher and the Eagles had a guy named Ken Ryan.

PAUL Ryan


18 posted on 08/05/2010 1:55:31 PM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: SECURE AMERICA

In 2012 presidential election, Clinton vs. Palin?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2563405/posts

Clintonites Undermine Obama for Hillary 2012 Challenge
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2559039/posts

Clinton vs. Palin in 2012? Stranger things have happened
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-gop/2555369/posts


19 posted on 08/05/2010 1:56:02 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try. ~Master Yoda)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The House and Senate may stay in control of the Democrats because in the final analysis even in an anti-incumbent mood many voters revert back to casting their ballots for someone they know rather than taking a chance with a newcomer.”

LOL Somebody slap Robert and wake him up. Not taking a chance on a newcomer doesn’t work quite so well when the incumbent is way past radioactive. Missouri’s a great barometer and just a little glimpse of how bloody November is gonna be for the dims.


20 posted on 08/05/2010 1:58:42 PM PDT by bereanway
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I mentioned this in another thread today, but I sort of boiled ‘12 down to this:

0 won 7 states in 08 that Bush won the previous two elections (NV, CO, IN, OH, NC, VA, FL). Winning all of these back in ‘12 would make it very close, almost 2000 kind of close, but it would be enough.

The question then is what kind of candidate, assuming all the other states not mentioned in the previous paragraph hold true to form, can win those seven states and ultimately the Presidency?


21 posted on 08/05/2010 1:58:58 PM PDT by GOP_Raider (A conservative in the television industry--yes, we do exist)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Just like the Franken fiasco, it can’t be close. They’ll always find a way to cheat. Even when they’re caught, nothing is done about it.

Satan’s army is in place and every avenue of judicial fairness
or descent is just about gone i.e. Kagan.

This was a well planned attack on America...and the voters didn’t see it coming because they didn’t want to be called a racist. IMO


22 posted on 08/05/2010 2:09:24 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (demonicRATS... taxes, pain and slow death. Is this what you want?)
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To: Ingtar

I have long said that Dear Leader will resign for ‘Health Reasons.’

Even Katie Couric, in her insipid blog, wrote of how ‘aging the Office has been for Obama.’ And small, little things...like the 30k fundraiser (and he goes off and eats in another room) all are little ‘drips’ that all may not be ‘well’ with Duh Won.

He ‘opts’ to not run; he rests. He comes ‘back’ to public life...runs the UN (or something similar) and is ‘King of the World’ (which he thinks he is now anyways...but still has to show up in that roundish, WH office.)


23 posted on 08/05/2010 2:14:06 PM PDT by PennsylvaniaMom ( (((((((((((((((((((PALIN/BACHMANN 2012))))))))))))))))))))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
From the article: Presidential possibilities in 2012 certainly look like Obama and Palin going against one another. Rather than smiling and jumping for joy the Obama team should take Palin seriously! She will be a tougher and more serious opponent than they think.

The author, Robert Guttman, gets it - but I suspect that liberals enjoy pretending to be oh-so intellectually superior to Sarah Palin (and the millions of Americans she represents) that they'll willfully ignore Guttman's warning and assume that continually mocking her and non-stop media adulation of Obama will effectively cancel out her appeal. They are mistaken.

This isn't 1970 and liberal mouthpiece Walter Cronkite doesn't decree 'that's the way it is', anymore. The New York Times and the various news magazines no longer decide elections. The dinosaur media is flailing and failing. Granted, they were able to get Obama past the usually apathetic voter in 2008 when things weren't really so bad (although the left pretended they were to give Obama something to run on -'hope and change') but the economic climate has soured and hit many Americans, hard, and they hold Obama responsible, not George W. Bush.

Obama's media hype almost guaranteed his fall when his insane socialist policies were implemented. First, the bailouts and trillion-dollar national debt. Then, the massive health care bill nobody wanted. He's weak on Afghanistan and a disaster on the Mexico-U.S. border chaos. The Gulf oil spill put the spotlight on his incompetence. Meanwhile, independent voters have just about given up on Obama. Even some Democrats are trying to distance themselves from Obama. Never a good sign for a president. His job approval numbers are flirting with the 30's, late-second-term Bush territory.

The media can't save Obama because their audience is shrinking and so, their influence is waning. Meanwhile, the 'alternative media' grows in both audience and influence. Fox News is rapidly replacing once-untouchable CBS as the news source of choice for many Americans - and their ratings prove it. Rush Limbaugh is in his 22nd year of broadcasting his conservative views - and his audience remains in the millions. Meanwhile, the TV broadcast network's news show ratings contract with every passing year. Once influential Newsweek magazine is sold for $1. and it's debts.

I have no idea if Sarah Palin really wants to be president (I suspect that she does) and I don't know if she could win a presidential election. I do know that the woman has a lot going for her and the criticisms are mostly superficial and petty or just Democrat attempts to demean her in the eyes of the public, their standard MO. She seems more solid on her recent Fox TV appearances but still engaging and sometimes, controversial...in a good way (challenging Obama).

When the left never stops bashing Palin and even liberal writers start admitting that she could challenge their messiah, Obama, in 2012, that indicates that Sarah Palin is a political force to be reckoned with. She is the only viable political conservative visible on the national scene and she is, as Robert Guttman's piece stated, gaining ground while other possible 2012 GOP contenders are invisible or near-unelectable (Gingrich).

If Sarah Palin chooses to run for the Republican presidential nomination in two years, she'll have my vote. I see no other viable conservative on the scene. Yes, she's been relentlessly attacked by the left but so was Ronald Reagan. He surmounted the 'dangerous, washed-up, second-rate doofus actor' smears the left tried to pin on him. He did it by simply being himself, and had to get past the then-dominate leftist media. Today, with Sarah Palin getting national attention on Facebook, Twitter, websites and Fox News TV, she can overcome the left's smear attempts. They no longer 'own' the information flow and with the country becoming increasingly turned off to Obama and the Democrats, Palin could be a real contender in 2012. Shhhh. Don't tell the Democrats.

24 posted on 08/05/2010 2:22:50 PM PDT by Jim Scott
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To: ex-Texan

AAh ha. You must be one of those intelletual giant elitists who call themselves libertarians. The Pauls have achieved nothing compared to Palin. But most importantly they have been absent in attacking Onada head on.

I already know what liberals really believe, and I don’t subscribe to it.

Hell, you libertarians can’t even run your own web site. You have to come on to a conservative web site and pretend your not only one of us but better than us.


25 posted on 08/05/2010 2:34:33 PM PDT by dools007
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
If the Huffington Post says it could be close Obambi is going down BIG TIME.
26 posted on 08/05/2010 2:39:39 PM PDT by McGruff (How's that Hopey Changey thingy workin for ya?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’ll happen, and it won’t be a close election.

This is why they are rabidly insane - they know from their polls that Palin is America’s choice by a wide margin, regardless of who the opposition is.

Finally America will have an American president.


27 posted on 08/05/2010 2:43:27 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: beaversmom

Ideologically, Paul Ryan would make an excellent Vice President for Palin, but nobody knows him, even in his home state, and he has less experience than Obama.

DeMint is looking to be Romney’s Veep.
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28 posted on 08/05/2010 2:49:53 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: Owl_Eagle

“So what if people don’t know Mitch Daniels?”

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People know Daniels, and that is why they won’t vote for his GOP elitist @ss.
.


29 posted on 08/05/2010 2:51:42 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Guttman is ignoring Obama’s natural born status.

There are literally millions of citizens who are completely ticked about how poorly Obama was vetted. Does he seriously think that Obama will get away with this twice?

30 posted on 08/05/2010 2:56:11 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: editor-surveyor

There is plenty of time to get to know the candidates that enter the race. The 2012 election is not this November.

We don’t have to pick them by name recognition.


31 posted on 08/05/2010 2:56:30 PM PDT by dforest
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To: indylindy

In reality, there isn’t “plenty of time.”

It normally takes about a decade of political presence, including 4-5 years of intense campaigning and fundraising to capture the oval. Palin is just barely on the crest of her opportunity; there is just enough time if , and only if she does not stumble.
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32 posted on 08/05/2010 3:01:22 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: ex-Texan
The left would love to face Palin, the only prominent politician that is as polarizing as our dear leader. She would have to get 100% of the GOP 2008 number plus an additional 10-12 million from the dims 2008 number. I don't see that many who voted for our dear leader doing a one-eighty in their support.

And, FR is not an accurate bell weather of US politics, if it were things would not be as they are, not even close.

33 posted on 08/05/2010 3:01:38 PM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Funny, for the last 12 months I've seen Palin supporters scream and rant how the MSM picks our candidates for us (McCain ‘08/Romney ‘12), now that they're doing the same thing with Palin it's all hunkey-dorey.

The left would like nothing more than to face Palin in a ‘12 contest, she's the most exposed and may be the most easily beatable . They're tactics are always the same, pummel until they announce or look like they might be running, make nice until the convention then when they win the nomination go back to pummeling.

Conservatives never learn.

34 posted on 08/05/2010 3:03:46 PM PDT by Bob J (Will all my comments be censored?)
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To: Bob J

As usual you’re over-medicated while operating a computer.

Palin is the one and only candidate the media and the left fear in any way.
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35 posted on 08/05/2010 3:05:45 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Obama won’t make the ballot in some states w/o a birth cert. Gonna be hard to get reelected w/o those electoral college votes!


36 posted on 08/05/2010 3:06:13 PM PDT by databoss
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I Might have concurred a couple days ago, prior to the Missouri vote. Even the Republicans have underestimated just how mad the electorate is in some states.


37 posted on 08/05/2010 3:09:31 PM PDT by radioone ("The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.")
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To: Jim Scott

Take a look at the comments, the nutroots aren’t buying it! LOL


38 posted on 08/05/2010 3:12:40 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try. ~Master Yoda)
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To: editor-surveyor

It should be former General Tommy Franks. He would actually be perfect if there’s a war and Sarah needs advice. The both of them would make a perfectly rounded out team. Sarah has the public/executive experience and he has the military experience.


39 posted on 08/05/2010 3:17:11 PM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: onyx; se_ohio_young_conservative

You forget one......


40 posted on 08/05/2010 3:20:29 PM PDT by deport
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To: radioone

Some states? Yeah, all FIFTY SEVEN of them!


41 posted on 08/05/2010 3:22:50 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try. ~Master Yoda)
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To: editor-surveyor

Horse patoots. BS


42 posted on 08/05/2010 3:25:28 PM PDT by dforest
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To: Niuhuru

There is a flaw in your reasoning there.

The American Public as a whole is weary of the military, and war, in the extreme.
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43 posted on 08/05/2010 3:25:35 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: indylindy

Brilliant analysis, as usual.
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44 posted on 08/05/2010 3:26:30 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: onyx

“She will be a tougher and more serious opponent than they think.”

Oh yeah!


45 posted on 08/05/2010 3:28:58 PM PDT by Scarlet Pimpernel (And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?)
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To: editor-surveyor

At least mine are honest with no agenda. You can’t say that.

We live in a time with lightening speed communication. Who ever heard of Shirley Sherrod before Breitbart broke that video?

After a couple days we knew all about her.

Who ever heard of Palin until McCain picked her. Almost immediately, people seemed to know a whole lot about her.


46 posted on 08/05/2010 3:33:29 PM PDT by dforest
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To: Owl_Eagle

Speaking as someone who loves Palin and defends her regularly I think it would be a huge mess if she got elected, what they did to her in Alaska would be nothing compared to what would happen to her in DC. I love her right where she is pissing off the people I hate.


47 posted on 08/05/2010 3:39:12 PM PDT by redk
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To: editor-surveyor

The problem is the bureaucrats running everything. Not the experienced generals. And the war is being run based on PR, not actually exterminating the enemy. Franks has experience and he’s certainly no bureaucrat. Military families would rest well knowing that Franks, an ACTUAL soldier would be directing operations. However retired.


48 posted on 08/05/2010 3:41:41 PM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: editor-surveyor
Romney is not eligible to be POTUS.

His roles in RomneyCARE, his imposition of gay marriage,
his team's vicious attacks on Gov. Sarah Palin and her children,
and his and BAIN's putative role in the GroundZeroMosque should make
Romney the pride of the DNC and MSM.

"(The GroundZero Mosque) cleared its final hurdle ….
developers plan to build the $100 million center which will include a mosque.
Since its incipient stages in July 2009, when a Muslim-run real-estate development
company purchased the damaged, vacant building and land where the new center
will be built, the project has sparked controversy and debate.
.... the tattered building that was bought by the Muslim real estate company had
been owned by a subsidiary of Bain Capital, a company Romney founded in 1984.

So it’s OK if his company can profit off the sale of the land ."

49 posted on 08/05/2010 3:46:24 PM PDT by Diogenesis (“Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God” - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: ex-Texan
She proved last time the only thing going for her is her pretty face.

My bologna has a first name...

50 posted on 08/05/2010 3:48:21 PM PDT by JaguarXKE
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