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Remembering August 1945
Accuracy in Academia ^ | August 6, 2010 | Dr. Paul Kengor

Posted on 08/06/2010 7:02:21 AM PDT by AccuracyAcademia

This week marks 65 years since the United States dropped the atomic bomb. On August 6, 1945, President Harry Truman delivered a “rain of ruin” upon Hiroshima, Japan, with Nagasaki hit three days later, killing 100,000 to 200,000.

Truman’s objective was to compel surrender from an intransigent enemy that refused to halt its naked aggression. The barbarous mentality of 1940s Japan was beyond belief. An entire nation lost its mind, consumed by a ferocious militarism and hell-bent on suicide. Facing such fanaticism, Truman felt no alternative but to use the bomb. As George C. Marshall put it, the Allies needed something extraordinary “to shock [the Japanese] into action.” Nothing else was working. Japan was committed to a downward death spiral, with no end in sight.

“We had to end the war,” said a desperate Marshall later. “We had to save American lives.”

Evidence shows the bomb achieved precisely that, saving millions of lives, not merely Americans but Japanese. The Japanese themselves acknowledged this, from the likes of Toshikazu Kase to Emperor Hirohito himself. Kase was among the high-level officials representing Japan at its formal surrender aboard the USS Missouri. “The capitulation of Japan,” Kase said definitively, “saved the lives of several million men.”

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TOPICS: Education; Government; History; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: atombomb; hiroshima; nagasaki

1 posted on 08/06/2010 7:02:26 AM PDT by AccuracyAcademia
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To: AccuracyAcademia

Where is Truman now? We could really use his guidance!


2 posted on 08/06/2010 7:04:15 AM PDT by ThePatrioticArtist
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To: AccuracyAcademia

*Roosevelt has left the game.*
Hitler[AoE]: wtf?
Eisenhower: sh1t now we need some1 to join
*tru_m4n has joined the game.*
tru_m4n: hi all
T0J0: hey
Stalin: sup
Churchill: hi
tru_m4n: OMG OMG OMG i got all his stuff!
tru_m4n: NUKES! HOLY **** I GOT NUKES
Stalin: d00d gimmie some plz
tru_m4n: no way i only got like a couple
Stalin: omg dont be gay gimmie nuculer secrets
T0J0: wtf is nukes?
T0J0: holy ****holy****hoyl****!
*T0J0 has been eliminated.*
*The Allied team has won the game!*
Eisenhower: awesome!
Churchill: gg noobs no re
T0J0: thats bull**** u fockin suck
*T0J0 has left the game.*


3 posted on 08/06/2010 7:04:18 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: AccuracyAcademia

4 posted on 08/06/2010 7:06:27 AM PDT by ILS21R ("Every night before I go to sleep, I think who would throw stones at me?", she said)
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To: AccuracyAcademia
Hate to say it...

But WW-II was over before those two bombs were dropped. Japan's 75 largest cities were in ashes and the bomb which had done that was a ten or twelve pound thing with crepe paper streamers to guide it. There was an army without any means of supply sitting around in China, a maritime nation whose entire navy and merchant marine had been destroyed, and 20 million people walking around in forests because the cities they used to live in were gone.

I'd have saved the two A bombs for Mecca and Medina.

5 posted on 08/06/2010 7:08:09 AM PDT by wendy1946
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To: dfwgator

Awesome...!


6 posted on 08/06/2010 7:10:51 AM PDT by freebilly (No wonder the left has a boner for Obama. There's CIALIS in soCIALISt....)
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To: dfwgator

This is even better - WWII on Facebook for Teens

http://www.makeuseof.com/tech-fun/world-war-ii-facebook-version/


7 posted on 08/06/2010 7:14:07 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: wendy1946
Japan still had thousands of serviceable aircraft and enough bombs and gasoline to do tremendous damage in August 1945. More than a million troops were still armed and ready to fight on the main islands, along with the civilian population which had booby traps, crude, single shot handguns and edged weapons to greet American troops. Even with daily firebombing, the armament industries had been moved into caves dug in the sandstone bluffs around Yokohama and was still operating.
As a little kid Army brat in the 1950s, my American and Nihon pals and I played in those caves.
8 posted on 08/06/2010 7:19:05 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: wendy1946

Consider this, the Soviets had just declared war on Japan, had we not dropped the bombs, they would have taken their half of Japan, then inevitably there would have been a bloody civil war, just like in Korea with the ChiComs getting involved.


9 posted on 08/06/2010 7:20:04 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: AccuracyAcademia
I'm sure the families of the dead American WWII soldiers will appreciate Obama's apology tour.
10 posted on 08/06/2010 7:20:44 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: PGR88

That is totally awesome!


11 posted on 08/06/2010 7:27:56 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: ILS21R

B-29 “FiFi” Taxi, Take Off & Fly By

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLFKAWGSPCs


12 posted on 08/06/2010 7:33:48 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: dfwgator
Consider this, the Soviets had just declared war on Japan

At Truman's urging and insistence. There was no need. Consider also the 100 American carriers in the region at the time and what Russia would have had available to even try to get to Japan had we not wanted them there (inner tubes, canoes, rafts...)...

13 posted on 08/06/2010 7:38:06 AM PDT by wendy1946
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To: wendy1946

YOU ARE F*CKING CLUELESS!


14 posted on 08/06/2010 7:39:16 AM PDT by US Navy Vet
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To: AccuracyAcademia

Those two bombs saved 800,000 American lives and 10X that many Japanese who would have fought to the death.

Pray for America


15 posted on 08/06/2010 7:41:15 AM PDT by bray (Did Rush say Absolute Failure?)
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To: US Navy Vet

Do you find being an idiot painful?


16 posted on 08/06/2010 7:43:49 AM PDT by wendy1946
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To: KeyLargo

Thank you for that. I was fortunate enough to be standing behind FiFi as she started her engines during an airshow years ago. It was 10 minutes of propwash bliss before she taxied to the runway.


17 posted on 08/06/2010 7:44:56 AM PDT by ILS21R ("Every night before I go to sleep, I think who would throw stones at me?", she said)
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To: ILS21R

At approximately 9:00am CST 5 August 2010 “FIFI” returned to the air for the first time in over four years. An uneventful 39 minute flight was recorded. Further flights are planned for the next several days to further test the aircraft and allow the pilots and crews to once again become current.

LEST WE FORGET.....

http://www.cafb29b24.org/


18 posted on 08/06/2010 7:54:22 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: wendy1946

Do you find being a useful idiot painful?


19 posted on 08/06/2010 8:05:04 AM PDT by Ragnar54
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To: wendy1946

Unfinished Business

For 65 years, Japanese corporations have escaped responsibility for abusing American POWs during World War II.

Lester Tenney entered World War II as a strapping 21-year-old, weight 180 pounds. By the time he emerged from Japanese captivity in 1945, he was a shattered, emaciated cripple. His left arm and shoulder were partly paralyzed due to an accident in a coal mine where he'd been sent as a slave laborer. His overseers there -- civilian employees of the Mitsui Corp., not members of the Imperial Army -- had knocked out his teeth in repeated beatings with hammers and pickaxes. At war's end, he weighed in at 98 pounds. It took him a year in U.S. Army hospitals to regain something like a semblance of his old well-being.

Sixty-five years later, Tenney and his fellow ex-prisoners of war (POWs) -- the rapidly diminishing group of those who remain alive, that is -- are still awaiting the full fruits of victory. The Japanese companies that once abused Tenney and his fellow prisoners have never acknowledged responsibility for their crimes, let alone offered compensation or regrets of any kind. (The companies needed the POWs to compensate for a wartime labor shortage.) The Japanese government has only just begun to offer its regrets for what happened -- far too late for most of the veterans, but, still, something. Perhaps most depressingly of all, the U.S. government has spent years allowing the Japanese to get away with it -- a policy of complicity that has its roots in the two countries' complex postwar relationship. There are signs that this, too, may finally be changing. Hope never dies, as they say.

20 posted on 08/06/2010 8:08:40 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo
Don't get me wrong, the Japanese in 45 were due no sympathy.

It's just that any sort of analysis I come up with indicates that the two A bombs were not needed and would have been better saved for their surprise value the next time something like that WAS needed, such as 9/12/01.

The Japanese would likely have all starved within a year of VJ day had we done nothing but watch and observe.

21 posted on 08/06/2010 8:13:23 AM PDT by wendy1946
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To: wendy1946
But WW-II was over before those two bombs were dropped.

Hardly....The Battle of Okinawa was from early April until mid-June, 1945.

Allies suffered more than 50,000 casualties,Japan lost over 100,000 troops,more than 100,000 civilians (12,000 in action) were killed, wounded, or committed suicide, approximately one-quarter of the civilian population died ....

So two month later you say the Japan was just going to give up before a foot was set on any of the home Islands?

Britain looked beat in 1940 and held out to win... Germany was totally destroyed from the air by early 1945 yet it still had to be taken foot by foot...

Consider that if the two a bombs prevented one just one "Okinawa" both side were ahead of the game..... The A bomb let Japan(that by tradition did not surrender but would fight to the death and/or committed suicide) to in effect surrender and save face at the same time...

If the war had stated conventional war is there any real drought that, just as in "beaten Germany", Berlin still had to be taken; we would of at the very least had to take the capital of the "beaten Japan", Tokyo?...

And it a fair bet taking just one of Japans five main islands would be far bloodier then taking Okinawa

22 posted on 08/06/2010 8:46:15 AM PDT by tophat9000 (.............................. BP + BO = BS ...........................Formula for a disaster...)
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To: wendy1946

You are quite wrong:

Japanese assets in place at the time of the ear invasion:

14 dug in divisions on the southernmost island of Kyushu (900,000) well armed. Many had been transported from China to defend the homeland.

10,875 aircraft that were to be used as kamizakes against the invading ships. Estimated casualties at sea were to be one third to one half of the invading forces.

US assets:
We were going to land 14 divisions on Kyushu and six months later 25 divisions in Honshu. The one to one ratio of combatants in Kyushu would have been in the Japanese favor and the carnage on the American side would have been horrific.

Estimates handed to Truman for the invasion:

1.75 to 4 million American casualties.
no less than 10 million Japanese casualties.

The difficulty of feeding the Japanese populace was going to be a real problem and the toll could have reached 30 million Japanese through combat, disease and starvation.

Many of the Freepers on this board today would not be around if we had invaded Japan. I am one of them. My dad was moved from Europe to Mississippi to train for mountain fighting. He was told that it would be far worse than Europe. His unit in Europe had 76% attrition rate.

The decision to drop the bomb was a great one. It saved many American and Japanese lives.


23 posted on 08/06/2010 9:07:05 AM PDT by texmexis best (My)
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To: wendy1946

Russia had scheduled the invasion of Hokkaido and were in the process of moving people when the bombs were dropped.

We could have ended up with North and South Japan. It was very close.


24 posted on 08/06/2010 9:18:12 AM PDT by texmexis best (My)
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To: wendy1946

We have never had 100 carriers.

Where di you get this number?

Most of the aircraft that were scheduled to take control of the skies were to come from Okinawa gound bases.


25 posted on 08/06/2010 9:20:01 AM PDT by texmexis best (My)
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To: texmexis best
When you total the carriers we had in the Pacific in late 45 it adds to about a hundred not including new Midway class carriers due to arrive with armored flight decks and compliments of bearcats and tigercats.

NOBODY was going to invade Japan after Okinawa, nor did anybody need to. Okinawa put American heavy bombers within 300 miles of Japan instead of the 1400 from the Mariannas; that would have had the effect of tripling or quadrupling the numbers of those B29s, had there been any remaining real targets for B29s.

I mean, try looking at Japan on Google Earth and come back to me with how many fields of grain you can find. Japan was totally dependent on the sea and its access to the sea had been cut off and all of their large ships destroyed. If they'd really wanted to go on fighting after September 45 it would have been little fishing boats versus bearcats. Who do you really think would win a bearcat vs fishing boat fight??

26 posted on 08/06/2010 10:13:26 AM PDT by wendy1946
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To: texmexis best
Many of the Freepers on this board today would not be around if we had invaded Japan. I am one of them.

Me too.

27 posted on 08/06/2010 10:20:54 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: wendy1946

the only method for holding land after conquest is with infantry. Bombers are good, but they cannot win a war.


28 posted on 08/06/2010 10:53:01 AM PDT by texmexis best (My)
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To: wendy1946

You are right about the 100 carriers. Acutally 99 commissioned during the war.

The Japanese navy was pretty much exhausted after the Battle of Leyte Gulf and was not a real concern.

If there had been an invasion, their planes would have been flying from airfields, not from ships.

A friend of mine, in his eighties now, was told to write his goodbye letter to his family. He was a Marine on Okinawa and was informed that they were going to be landing on Kyushu within a few days and it was not expected that any of them would survive.

The first bomb was dropped the next day and he came home and had a family.
Japan had to be put down permanently. It was extremely dangerous.


29 posted on 08/06/2010 11:26:26 AM PDT by texmexis best (My)
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To: wendy1946
When you total the carriers we had in the Pacific in late 45 it adds to about a hundred

You need to have someone sit down and explain to you the diference between a carrier and an escort carrier.

NOBODY was going to invade Japan after Okinawa

By "NOBODY", do perhaps mean, "MacArthur"? The troops and supplies wee already underway, dear. Your statement is patently absurd.

I mean, try looking at Japan on Google Earth and come back to me with how many fields of grain you can find. Japan was totally dependent on the sea and its access to the sea had been cut off and all of their large ships destroyed.

Japn fed itself prior to 1860 without any foreign trade whatsoever.

If they'd really wanted to go on fighting after September 45 it would have been little fishing boats versus bearcats. Who do you really think would win a bearcat vs fishing boat fight??

No one is saying we would not have won. What you don't seem to want to acknowledge is that Japan was not going to go without an extremely bloody fight that would have dwarfed Okinawa - unless we used the game-changer the we developed in the mountains of east Tennessee, the Snake River Valley of Washington State, and the deserts of New Mexico.

30 posted on 08/06/2010 11:26:53 AM PDT by Castlebar
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To: wendy1946

“It should be noted that when President Harry Truman was considering whether to invade Japan instead of dropping the bombs, his advisers estimated that an invasion would result in one million American casualties and at least two million Japanese deaths. In the strange calculus of war, the bombs actually saved Japanese lives.”

http://online.wsj.com/article/NA_WSJ_PUB:SB10001424052748703748904575411123599873634.html


31 posted on 08/06/2010 2:13:50 PM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Castlebar
By "NOBODY", do perhaps mean, "MacArthur"? The troops and supplies wee already underway, dear. Your statement is patently absurd.

No American government would ever survive any sort of a scene involving a million war casualties and Truman knew that. Whatever plans might have been in the works prior to Okinawa had already been stopped BY Okinawa.

Again as I read it it was unnecessary. The Japanese were looking for some sort of a way to surrender and all Truman had to do was tell them that the war was over, and to call when they got hungry enough to want Americans to land and distribute food.

32 posted on 08/06/2010 3:08:02 PM PDT by wendy1946
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To: wendy1946
No American government would ever survive any sort of a scene involving a million war casualties and Truman knew that. Whatever plans might have been in the works prior to Okinawa had already been stopped BY Okinawa.

Again as I read it it was unnecessary.

It doesn't matter how you read it. You are factually incorrect, and not in a small or unimportant way. The Top Secret national archives were declassified in 2006.

So on May 25, 1945, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, after extensive deliberation, issued to General MacArthur, Admiral Chester Nimitz, and Army Air Force General Henry Arnold, the top secret directive to proceed with the invasion of Kyushu. The target date was after the typhoon season.

President Truman approved the plans for the invasions July 24. Two days later, the United Nations issued the Potsdam Proclamation, which called upon Japan to surrender unconditionally or face total destruction.

Three days later, the Japanese governmental news agency broadcast to the world that Japan would ignore the proclamation and would refuse to surrender. During this same period it was learned — via monitoring Japanese radio broadcasts — that Japan had closed all schools and mobilized its school children, was arming its civilian population and was fortifying caves and building underground defenses.

33 posted on 08/06/2010 6:38:04 PM PDT by Castlebar
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