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"O'Reilly, Hannity, Beck, Limbaugh held hostage on BC issue" (What would Thomas Jefferson do?)
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Posted on 08/08/2010 9:05:40 AM PDT by cycle of discernment

(watch vid at link)

Rev Manning straight up:

Video in summary-- although the MSM actively seeks to cover up for Obama,--Fox News, and most every high ranking conservative all know Obama is ineligible but they are held hostage to speak it.

And some go even further, like O'Reilly to ridicule those that ask the reasonable and responsible questions any thinking human being, any decent American citizen, should ask--why this most powerful man in the world should not be held to explain the missing, hidden, opaque, inconsistent and contradictory information on his personal, professional, academic and political background. And then provide proof.

These conservstive mavens know in their heart of hearts Obama is full of lies and deliberately manufactured information, but they have made the treasonous decision to cover up for this most powerful man on the planet....

A man that has command of our military forces, the FBI, the Treasury et al, and who is shaping the world we live in. A demontrated con man ruining our blood-fought, exceptional country, unlike any that has ever existed on earth.

If untrue, open up why don't you, Barack H. Soetoro/Obama....clean up the questions, set the record straight, out in the open. Make believers out of us with facts and transparency.

But the real question goes to the conservative mavens. What would Thomas Jefferson do, Glenn Beck?

Would he roll over and shut his mouth while our precious America is being whittled away by a slick con?

ttp://www.youtube.com/user/ATLAHWorldwide#p/u/6/DV0RAuU0n2o


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KEYWORDS: beck; birthcertificate; birther; certifigate; hannity; jamesdavidmanning; limbaugh; manning; oreilly; reverendmanning; soetoro
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1 posted on 08/08/2010 9:05:43 AM PDT by cycle of discernment
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To: cycle of discernment

I’ve wondered the same

Throw in Hillary too.


2 posted on 08/08/2010 9:08:03 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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To: cycle of discernment

None dare call it treason bump.


3 posted on 08/08/2010 9:11:31 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: cycle of discernment

They are held hostage by their wallets.


4 posted on 08/08/2010 9:11:37 AM PDT by Husker24
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To: cycle of discernment
What would Thomas Jefferson do, Glenn Beck?

That is a most excellent question. I'd also like to ask why ALL of the commentators on FOX are not asking John McCain the tough questions about amnesty?

5 posted on 08/08/2010 9:12:17 AM PDT by alicewonders (Supporters of John McCain are supporters of amnesty. Amnesty by any other name is still amnesty.)
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To: alicewonders

It’s Bill Clinton and his medical records all over again. I gave up on O’Riley when he scoffed at the Swiftboaters for Truth. There were 250 of them-not all Republicans. None broke ranks. It’s hard to get 250 people to feel that strongly about any issue and act as a conspiracy. With O’riley(and many others) I just put 2 and 2 together.


6 posted on 08/08/2010 9:20:45 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
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To: Husker24

No they aren’t. But what are we going to do about the birth certificate issue? Right now the Democrats run Congress, so we cant impeach him. Even assuming we win in November, the American people dont want the newly elected GOP Congress starting impeachment hearings against Barry - they want Congress to focus on cutting taxes, repealing Obamacare, and stimulating job growth.

I have no doubt that Hussein Obama was born in Kenya, just like I have no doubt that he is a crypto-Muslim who wants to destroy this country. He got in in 2008 because of George Soros, the left wing media, and John McCain. We dont get him impeached; we defeat his agenda at the polls in 2010, and send him back to Kenya in 2012. The birth certificate is a sure loser issue for us, when there are so many more reasons for the people to reject Hussein Obama and all he stands for.


7 posted on 08/08/2010 9:22:57 AM PDT by Astronaut
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

It is always about the Benjamins.


8 posted on 08/08/2010 9:23:23 AM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: cycle of discernment
IMHO I find it highly unlikely that there is a genuine BC issue coverup simply because there are too many people involved and all it takes is one disgruntled person to bring the entire conspiracy down. Remember that Nixon was brought down not by some idealist but rather by a disgruntled employee upset over being turned down for a job promotion.

Think about all of the things that would have to happen in order for this thing to hold together. First and foremost you have to convince the most ambitious lady in the world with a ruthless organization behind her that being Secretary of State is somehow better than being President. Then you have to bring every journalist and opposition politician that digs up dirt on opponents into the mix. Once you get them on board you have to keep them happy so they don't turn on you. The scope of a conspiracy like this is just too vast to hold together in a free society.

9 posted on 08/08/2010 9:25:06 AM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: cycle of discernment

That is his best video yet, actually straight forward and powerful. He pounces on the Constitution and NBC status, no born in Kenya crap. The truth will out only question is,when?


10 posted on 08/08/2010 9:29:08 AM PDT by DCmarcher-976453 (SARAH PALIN 2012)
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To: Astronaut
"Right now the Democrats run Congress, so we cant impeach him."

Therein lies the rub. Impeachment is the means by which a duly-elected president (or other officer) is removed from office. If in fact, Obama does not meet the Constitutional qualifications, he has never legitimately held the office in the first place, and should, at a minimum, be arrested by the DC police for criminal trespass.

11 posted on 08/08/2010 9:30:11 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Astronaut

All true and he may not be impeached but if some of these influential mavens would do the right thing and begin doggedly asking for answers to the 8000 lb elephant/QUESTIONS in the room, it would go a long way to exploding the power of this entire progressive movement and dislodge some of its tenacles in our government.

I venture to say some tenacious Fox media reporting on the unanswered questions, the outright obsfucations and the buffet of Obama scandals, lies and discrepancies (take your choice, they are legion) would eventually do the work that needs to be done—to show naive Americans the “real” face of progressivism...for all it’s Robin Hood “feel-good” rhetoric, it’s dead-serious business—and it ain’t about their individual well-being.

It’s about attaching commodity to value to every citizen and factoring each in as cogs of the state, ruled by the elite.


12 posted on 08/08/2010 9:33:38 AM PDT by cycle of discernment
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To: cycle of discernment

The public has not seen Barack Obama’s birth certificate. That statement does not mean that Barack Obama was born anywhere other than in Honolulu. It just means that we don’t know for sure and that his actions have given many cause for doubt.

I do not recall ever seeing George W. Bush’s birth certificate, in fact I’ve never seen the birth certificate of any President. Yet, somehow we managed to elect a President every four years. The recently released passport files of Stanley Ann Dunham and Lolo Sotero seem to support the assumption that BHO was indeed born in Honolulu. I don’t think that it makes much sense to keeping hopping down that bunny trial.

I believe that the larger issue is trying to discover why BHO has gone to such great lengths to destroy and hide evidence of his early life. Certainly, he does not want the American people to know that he is a dedicated 3d generation Marxist, but anyone with the slightest curiosity can discover that he is and has always been Marxist in thought, word, and deed. So, another reason is required.

I further believe that the most likely reason for his efforts to shove his early records down the memory hole is that he committed fraud in order to get into either Occidental College, Columbia University, or both. The passport files are further evidence that BHO was adopted by his step father and was likely given Indonesian citizenship based on this adoption. He may well have held an Indonesian Passport at some stage. All of this doesn’t mean much unless he took some action to assert this Indonesian citizenship after he turned 18. I believe that he did, and the reason that he did was in order to gain admission to an elite school as a foreign student. Barack the Marxist would not have placed any value on either U.S. or Indonesian citizenship except for what advantage either status might provide. So, he renewed his Indonesian passport and used it to ride the elite education gravy train. That theory provides the best fit for the evidence that we currently have and fits perfectly the behavioral traits of our Dear Leader.

I think that he is more than pleased that so many are chasing the birth certificate issue and will continue to encourage that unproductive effort. This theory has at least the same standing as any of the birth certificate notions kicking around.


13 posted on 08/08/2010 9:40:01 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: DIRTYSECRET

It’s discouraging. Unlike many others here, I’m not pinning my hopes on this fall - even if the Republicans do win big - I don’t expect things to change much. It seems like even the most promising ones sell out once they get in a position where they can have influence.


14 posted on 08/08/2010 9:40:27 AM PDT by alicewonders (Supporters of John McCain are supporters of amnesty. Amnesty by any other name is still amnesty.)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
Thanks. Yes, why aren't traitors and political saboteurs being outed, prosecuted and jailed in this country?
15 posted on 08/08/2010 9:41:15 AM PDT by garyhope (It's World War IV, right here, right now, courtesy of Islam and illegal immigration.)
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To: DCmarcher-976453

>The truth will out only question is,when?<

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When sharia becomes the law of the land, and then it won’t matter any more. Don’t expect our government to seek the truth — they’ve had plenty of time to do so.


16 posted on 08/08/2010 9:43:19 AM PDT by 353FMG (ISLAM - America's inevitable road to destruction.)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom
The scope of a conspiracy like this is just too vast to hold together in a free society.

that's so idiotic that you probably believe that Oswald was the lone gunman that killed JFK as that is the same argument the fools called lone nutters believe.

Americans really are the biggest fools in history. It was LBJ and Hoover and Obama does not have a long form birth certificate from Hawaii.

17 posted on 08/08/2010 9:43:20 AM PDT by politicianslie (A taxpayer voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sandersp>)
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To: cycle of discernment
No doubt the circumstance of Obama's birth are murky and that he may have had foreign passports only adds to the mess. However, if we were to find that he in fact was not constitutionally eligible to be president, it would throw the country into chaos. Would any bills passed by Congress be legal if signed by Obama? Who would be prosecuted for the fraud? We could spend decades in the courts and Congress deciding. Better we just vote him out of office and make assurances that all candidates in the future are in fact eligible to hold the office.

As much as I would like to believe there is a smoking gun somewhere out there, Obama has had years and spent millions to cover his tracks. I would have thought Hillary's people would have found any evidence that still existed during the primaries.

The American people do not want impeachment hearings and endless Congressional debates, they want action to fix our broken economy and to roll back socialism. If Republicans gain control of either house they should make that their sole agenda.

18 posted on 08/08/2010 9:44:33 AM PDT by The Great RJ (The Bill of Rights: Another bill members of Congress haven't read.)
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To: cycle of discernment

Obama is not eligible to run anything, and it has nothing to do with a birth certificate.


19 posted on 08/08/2010 9:44:33 AM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: centurion316

“The recently released passport files of Stanley Ann Dunham and Lolo Sotero seem to support the assumption that BHO was indeed born in Honolulu. I don’t think that it makes much sense to keeping hopping down that bunny trial.”

Whatever are you talking about?

You mean the Ann Dunham passport files that are MISSING?? That FURTHER illustrate the pattern of manipulation and obsfucation?

See:

Stanley Ann Dunham/Obama/Soetoro- Passport Records Released Under FOIA, Earliest Passport Application No Longer Exists, Got Purged!?

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/120/319/BREAKING:_Stanley_Ann_Dunham_Obama_Soetoro-_Passport_Records_Released_Under_FOIA,_Earliest_Passport_Application_No_Longer_Exists,_Got_Purged.html


20 posted on 08/08/2010 9:45:54 AM PDT by cycle of discernment
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To: Astronaut

I along with Pissant were among the first on this forum to raise the birth certificate issue. It was an obsession of mine at the time. A simple google listed Obama as having been born in two different hospitals.

I even exchanged a few emails with Jim Geraghty who at first seemed to agree an in fact posted some blogs at the time, but then he went cold on the trail when he along with the others like O’Reilly, Coulter and others accepted the BC as being authentic and branded anyone who questioned Obama’s birth as “fringe.”

I’ve now come full circle. Obama staying in office is useful to our cause. I want him to run again in 2012. I don’t want him impeached. I don’t want anything happening that might produce any chance that Hillary Clinton gets in office.

The BC is a fake. That we can be of certain. The man’s academic records also hold some information that will question Obama’s place of birth along with other things.

In 2012 we will demand that he present everything. It must be brought up at every state, and news interview. He will not get away with this a second time.

But for now, forget the pundits, as they are not touching the BC, because to do so, will result in us losing the best hope we have of cleansing this country of these people for a long long time. I want Obama to stay in office, discredited as long as it takes to usher in another REagan.


21 posted on 08/08/2010 9:49:08 AM PDT by nikos1121 (Parying today for a new house and senate that is conservative)
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To: Husker24

Stopped listening to these “conservative” radio talkshow hosts since August 2008 when I realized that they were in it for the money only. No difference between them and congress critters.

But we should not be too critical on them — can you just imagine if they lost their jobs and had to rely on unemployment benefits? The poor things.


22 posted on 08/08/2010 9:49:27 AM PDT by 353FMG (ISLAM - America's inevitable road to destruction.)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

I agree and disagree. It’s like a house of cards. It’s like putting the finger in the dyke. Eventually, things will fall....

I truly believe that as long as Obama’s poll numbers stay below -20 he’s not going to be challenged,

But if the dems lose the house and the senate....look for him to lose much face with the democrats, and they will turn on him.

It’s more than the BC is all the other information that Americans wish to know but cannot find out about their president.


23 posted on 08/08/2010 9:52:51 AM PDT by nikos1121 (Parying today for a new house and senate that is conservative)
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To: cycle of discernment

I limit my remarks to those documents that have been released. I leave interpretation of missing and nonexistent documents to others.


24 posted on 08/08/2010 9:54:15 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: centurion316
I think that he is more than pleased that so many are chasing the birth certificate issue and will continue to encourage that unproductive effort.

What on earth makes you think this?? Obama's approval numbers haven't been shown to benefit from 'birther' controversies. Do you think Barry's Gibbs is a great actor and only pretends to be exasperated when Les Kinsolving asks him about the issue?? Really??

25 posted on 08/08/2010 9:54:21 AM PDT by edge919
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To: The Great RJ

Let’s all stay on point, shall we?

Asking WHY the loudest, most far-reaching conservative media voices are not shining a light on this debacle.

Why are the conservative mavens....Hannity, Limbaugh, Beck and possibly O’Reilly-—those that tout and extol our founding fathers with their vision, sacrifice and values...why are these allegedly conservative men of the media unwilling to stand up as PATRIOTS —with their unique technological ability to be heard by millions-—why are they not ASKING and ASKING and ASKING...and in doing so, EXPOSING the maniuplative theatre that is being played upon the people???

Is the sacrificial Lou Dobbs example all it took for these committed (sic) “passionate” patriots to compromise their beliefs in truth and the people’s
right to know?


26 posted on 08/08/2010 9:56:15 AM PDT by cycle of discernment
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

It happened in Germany and many other countries. Most Germans enthusiastically endorsed Hitler. And no, I’m not saying Obama is another Hitler so don’t even go there.


27 posted on 08/08/2010 10:00:40 AM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: cycle of discernment

I think it’s the notion of the “Overton Window” which I think Beck has been talking about lately. In our “free society” you get to debate whether you’re in favor of a very narrow range of options. Outside of that, you’re labeled a nutjob. The media very effectively frame the debate - our “free society” isn’t as free as some would have you believe.


28 posted on 08/08/2010 10:02:30 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: centurion316

You said: “The recently released passport files of Stanley Ann Dunham and Lolo Sotero seem to support the assumption that BHO was indeed born in Honolulu.”

I’ve read through those releases and can’t find any proof that he was born in Hawaii. Do you also discount the statements of his grandmother in Kenya that she was present at his birth in Mumbasa, Kenya? Do you discount the statements in the Kenyan parliament that Obama was born in Kenya?


29 posted on 08/08/2010 10:05:33 AM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: nikos1121

I think that we must have traveled the same path on this and I agree with your current position on this issue. More important than the BC are the lies that he has told about his early life in college and in Chicago. His autobiographies were the first attempt to hide his life from the public. There have been many more since.

In 2012, his life, his political actions, and his dysfunctional behavior will be on full parade and the MSM will not be able to cover it over.


30 posted on 08/08/2010 10:06:12 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

If he not a US natural born citizen it can’t be treason. Treason is for US citizens only.


31 posted on 08/08/2010 10:06:44 AM PDT by stockpirate ("......When the government fears the people you have liberty." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: cycle of discernment

“A people unwilling to use extreme violent force to preserve or obtain their libery deserves the tyrants that rule them.” sp


32 posted on 08/08/2010 10:07:36 AM PDT by stockpirate ("......When the government fears the people you have liberty." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: 353FMG

You said: “Stopped listening to these “conservative” radio talkshow hosts since August 2008 when I realized that they were in it for the money only.”

So just because they need to get paid for what they do you believe what they say is irrelivent?


33 posted on 08/08/2010 10:09:31 AM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: centurion316

The birth certificate number used on the factlack dot org photos very likely belongs to someone other than obama. A lie is one thing, but stealing someone else’s number (which also seems to be the case with his social security number) is the kind of fraud that doesn’t rely on interpreation and intent. It is criminal and Obama could be convicted or impeached much easier on this than on tall tales about his childhood.


34 posted on 08/08/2010 10:11:13 AM PDT by edge919
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To: edge919

Because the Birther Brigades are largely held up to ridicule by most Americans, including me. He is more than happy to advance the notion that all conservatives share your views.


35 posted on 08/08/2010 10:11:49 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: CynicalBear

Not irrelevant altogether, but they only say things that they know you want to hear and they DO NOT have a personal commitment. In fact, political mayhem in the country is their bread and butter. If all were well, they would lose their jobs.


36 posted on 08/08/2010 10:13:41 AM PDT by 353FMG (ISLAM - America's inevitable road to destruction.)
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To: centurion316
Because the Birther Brigades are largely held up to ridicule by most Americans, including me. He is more than happy to advance the notion that all conservatives share your views.

But, as you mentioned, it's not a productive issue, right?? It doesn't help his approval ratings. It doesn't help his reelection chances ... and it makes it look like he's petty and unfocused on real problems. Sorry, but your argument is nonsense.

37 posted on 08/08/2010 10:14:44 AM PDT by edge919
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To: edge919

I wasn’t aware that Obama was responsible for the forgery that was posted. Did they find his DNA on it or something?


38 posted on 08/08/2010 10:15:59 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: centurion316

The Manning utube validates what many people have thought to be true, that Obama never attended Columbia University.

People in his year of said repeatedly that they don’t remember the man.

IF Obama worked for the CIA as Manning insists, then I guess that would make him a patriot would it not, if he fought against the Russians?


39 posted on 08/08/2010 10:17:07 AM PDT by nikos1121 (Parying today for a new house and senate that is conservative)
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To: edge919
Sorry, but your argument is nonsense.

Thanks, since I believe that most everything that you say is nonsense, I'm encouraged by your thoughts on my arguments. I think its fair to say that we will continue to disagree.

40 posted on 08/08/2010 10:19:17 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

Did you watch the Manning tape?

I don’t think Obama attended Columbia University. I think everything about the man was fabricated. How he got into Harvard I have no idea.

If he had CIA connections then maybe this fits. But how?

Why has there been so much time and effort spent to fight any look into his academic, social security and other records?

If this is true, then this speaks very poorly about our CIA.


41 posted on 08/08/2010 10:21:54 AM PDT by nikos1121 (Parying today for a new house and senate that is conservative)
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To: centurion316

Barry’s Gibbs said HE posted it for Obama. You think he’ll be the fall guy or something?? Really???


42 posted on 08/08/2010 10:24:39 AM PDT by edge919
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To: centurion316

No one remembers Obama at Columbia. There is not one student there who recalls the man. He didn’t attend his reunions.

How he got into Harvard I’ll never know.


43 posted on 08/08/2010 10:25:20 AM PDT by nikos1121 (Parying today for a new house and senate that is conservative)
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To: centurion316

It’s more fair to say I can support my argument and you can’t.


44 posted on 08/08/2010 10:26:03 AM PDT by edge919
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To: nikos1121

If he ever did attend, it must have been a rare event. I do believe that he was enrolled and that he was granted a degree. I suspect that BHO arranged his schedule with the right sort of professors so that attendance was not required.

I put the CIA thing in the category of interesting rumors. If he every committed a patriotic act, it would have been an unintentional consequence of his self serving behavior.


45 posted on 08/08/2010 10:26:19 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: Oshkalaboomboom
First and foremost you have to convince the most ambitious lady in the world with a ruthless organization behind her that being Secretary of State is somehow better than being President.

Yep. If there was anything here, Hillary would've found it and used it. Of course, birthers argue that Obama had some sort of incriminating evidence on Hillary that forced her to be quiet and paid her off with the SoS position. I'm not buying this at all.

You can guarantee someone in the Clinton campaign had the idea of "Hey, let's see if this guy is even eligible!" and came back with nothing.

46 posted on 08/08/2010 10:27:24 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: centurion316

You have presented no basis whatsoever why you hold “birthers” up to ‘ridicule’.

Let’s hear your fact-base analysis. Cold hard facts.

Otherwise, your quite possible red herring remarks about Obama’s early life appear to be some sophisticated distraction from the worse scenario indictment....not for Obama, who is almost certainly going to be exposed in some form or another— but for those running for their lives—the entourage of liars that made this possible.

Have you determined that Obama will indeed be busted ( just too many landmines, just a matter of time ) but pray that the BC issue will NOT be the centerpeice since there are so many complicit parties, perhaps?

So perhaps your highly sophisticated, “extraodinarily” ( your man’s fave word by the way) convoluted damage-control is, lets’ ridicule that one, the BC thing, it’s target numero uno.....too much to lose, too many comlipicit players-let’s irrationally keep claiming it’s solved ( it’s not, of course, by light years), and that the people tracking it are all nuts... BUT I’ll jump in with criticism of Occidental, O’s early life etc to inoculate myself.., you know , ‘throw-away’ stuff that can’t be tied to the inner circle/people and MAYBE they have no paper trail to, did not directly have their fingers on...hmm, could this be the machinery at work?

And hey, just maybe YOU’RE entangled, you eloquent poster you...LOL.


47 posted on 08/08/2010 10:28:12 AM PDT by cycle of discernment
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To: politicianslie

Excuse me. Do you believe that Oswald did NOT act alone? If so, then it is you who is misguided.

The sad fact is that Oswald did act alone. It was an extreme quirk of fate that allowed him to kill our president. He was tracked in Mexico. Have you not seen the Frontline Documentary or the articles in JAMA of the doctors who performed the autopsy on JFK?

There was no conspiracy. Oswald like Booth was the lone gunman.


48 posted on 08/08/2010 10:29:07 AM PDT by nikos1121 (Parying today for a new house and senate that is conservative)
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To: stockpirate

Treason for Pelosi.


49 posted on 08/08/2010 10:32:33 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: edge919

LOL>>> Maybe our “Centurion” is Bobby Gibbs :-))))))))) trying to inoculate himself with red herring arguments while dissing the BC..which his fingers are ALL OVER:-)

( I can jes hear Bobby now: “Yeah, yeah that’s the ticket, the Occidental thing, the early life lie stuff, yeah, that dude O can’t be trusted..but the BC thing?? NAHHH...that’s CRAZY!... LOL)


50 posted on 08/08/2010 10:34:39 AM PDT by cycle of discernment
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