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Vanity - Questions in regards to Army National Guard
08/09/2010 | Devon W

Posted on 08/09/2010 1:39:47 PM PDT by HushTX

No source, this isn't a blog post or news article. I have some questions that I am hoping can be answered by folks with more experience and information.

I have done some research, but am not entirely sure of my findings.

I am going to enlist in the Army National Guard. There are a number of reasons I am choosing the Guard over regular Army, not the least of which is the ability to remain within the state of Texas (which has its own reasons for being a concern).

Still, I want to enlist as a full time Guard, rather than the one weekend a month/two weeks a year option. I have read that this falls under Title 32 or Title 10, but beyond that the information I can locate online is questionable in its reliability. I'm hoping there are some recruiters or, better yet, MEPS counselors on FR that can help me solidify my understanding before I proceed.

I meet with the recruiter tomorrow, and would like to be as informed as possible. Is it accurate that Title 32 means I will be a full time (active?) Guard, while remaining within the state?

Also, does anyone know how that needs to be stated in the contract?

I'm sure I will have more questions, so please bear with me. Also, thanks in advance to anyone who can assist.


TOPICS: Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: army; nationalguard

1 posted on 08/09/2010 1:39:51 PM PDT by HushTX
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To: HushTX

Well good luck, hope you figure it out.

All I know about full-time as Guard is it is one of the eligibility requirements for the Housing allowance, $650 a month :)

I’m enlisted, since I’m doing the SMP program, which means I am both enlisted and contracted with ROTC. I won’t have any experience with full-time status or anything for another 3 years. :p


2 posted on 08/09/2010 1:46:44 PM PDT by Svartalfiar
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To: HushTX

I have no info on that, but good luck and thanks for wishing to serve.


3 posted on 08/09/2010 1:47:54 PM PDT by humblegunner (Pablo is very wily)
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To: HushTX

The Guard is a part-time operation as is the reserves. However after basic training you can request to be activated for a year at a time. I am retired USAFR and AD USAF. I was a fly guy we were also known as reserve bums as we flew more missions than the ad folks they were stuck with crew rest requirements but as a reservist we could waive the rest requirements.. My personal suggestion would be to join the ANG Air national Guard they get activated as often as the Army Guard. Beware you do become eligible to go to the sand box in Iraq or Afghanistan upon completion of basic training and tech school......


4 posted on 08/09/2010 1:48:28 PM PDT by straps (Its time for people to take responsibilty for there mistakes!)
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To: HushTX
If the Army Guard is anything like the AF Guard, you have to wait for someone to die or retire to get a promotion. I knew a 40 year old SRA (E-4). That's why I went Reserves after my 4 year Active Duty stint.

/johnny

5 posted on 08/09/2010 1:51:59 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: HushTX; Arrowhead1952

Check with Arrowhead (been in the TANG since 1973)


6 posted on 08/09/2010 1:53:44 PM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: straps

Straps is incorrect.

As a 13 year Guard veteran, I know you can be full-time Guard. Honestly, I don’t know how these folks got that position, though.

Best bet: go talk directly with a FT unit admin or supply clerk, NOT the recruiter. Walk in to any local armory and ask the full time staff. They are going to be able to explain it to you better than anyone.


7 posted on 08/09/2010 1:55:40 PM PDT by bolobaby
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To: HushTX
Title 32 is Guard, whether full or part time.

Title 10 is active duty.

Many people want to be ‘full time’ National Guard, the only question is, do they want you and are their openings? The states only have a certain number of slots and when they are full, they are full.

The other issue with full time Guard, the higher rank, the less slots that are available. To get promoted at higher ranks, you need a control grade. Sometimes you have to wait until somone retires, quits or dies to get promoted.

Hope this helps.

8 posted on 08/09/2010 1:55:51 PM PDT by occamrzr06
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To: straps; HushTX

Straps is incorrect.

As a 13 year Guard veteran, I know you can be full-time Guard. Honestly, I don’t know how these folks got that position, though.

Best bet: go talk directly with a FT unit admin or supply clerk, NOT the recruiter. Walk in to any local armory and ask the full time staff. They are going to be able to explain it to you better than anyone.


9 posted on 08/09/2010 1:56:04 PM PDT by bolobaby
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To: occamrzr06

their = there


10 posted on 08/09/2010 1:57:58 PM PDT by occamrzr06
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To: HushTX

I don’t know about Texas but in my “state” the AGR (full time) positions are very limited, and they’re not usually handed out or offered to new arrivals. It takes some experience to fill a position that’s usually for unti administrators, staff, instructors, etc.

I’ve been both AGR and M-Day (full and part-time), and usually those in AGR positions hold on to them until they are forced to retire. I was the unusual case that resigned from AGR to return to M-Day.

Title 32 means state controlled active duty but that you will serve your term within the state is not assured. They can very easily pull you from your AGR position and mobilize you at any time just like any other Guardsman.


11 posted on 08/09/2010 2:06:44 PM PDT by cll (I am the warrant and the sanction)
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To: HushTX

What sort of Texas Army Guard unit? — Supply and Transport Support Battalion, Medical Unit, etc.

What sort of MOS (Military Occupation Specialty)?

Shooting to be an officer or enlisted?

Plan to try for 20 years or just going in for six?

Do you have an “interruptible” civilian type career or trade — fireman = okay, small business owner where the business dies when you leave for active deployments = not okay.


12 posted on 08/09/2010 2:10:48 PM PDT by KC Burke
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To: cll

Activation is obviously fine with me. I’m more concerned about maintaining my residence in Texas, for multiple reasons. If I am activated and sent elsewhere in the country, or even abroad, that doesn’t change my state of residence.

I can completely understand full time Guard positions being reserved for those who earn them through service and seniority. I hadn’t considered that they were so limited, and I certainly want to “earn my stripes.”

I’m still going to ask about this, and try to score a FT position if it’s possible, but will not think ill of anyone if it’s simply not possible.

I want to serve, I am absolutely willing to go overseas and be mobilized. I just want to keep my actual residence in Texas.


13 posted on 08/09/2010 2:12:14 PM PDT by HushTX (quit whining)
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To: occamrzr06

Since I am in the guard maybe I can shed some light on this...

There are positions in your state which support the guard. some of these are called full time technicians. Say you are a mechanic on your weekend drills..the state has full time technicians that work at certain armories that support your unit. Supply clerks is another one. You must be in the guard to get these positions.Once your in the guard and past basic and your mos school, you come back and look at the big board at your armory of posted jobs (or go online) then find one you are qualified for and apply.

(most of these jobs require you stay in the guard as a condition of employment, for as long as you have that job)

Then look on the board later on..some other position might have opened up with a higher pay grade and a chance for promotion..re-apply as needed. There are also full time active guard positions that work the same way..

You show up for work in uniform...have every other Friday off (NJ) and get paid the 1st and 15th of every month
..and I have seen some shops unionized.

Good luck!


14 posted on 08/09/2010 2:13:47 PM PDT by OL Hickory (Jesus and the American soldier-1 died for your soul/1 died for your freedom)
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To: KC Burke

MOS, as always, is a mutable consideration. I have my preferences. I made a list, actually. But I understand that when it comes down to the grind stone, it’s about what the Army needs over what I want.

I would like to eventually pursue commission. Once I have finished my degree (not long now), I will look into OCS and hopefully become an officer.

This is not a short-term goal. It’s not a whim, or play time. This is something in the making for many years, and I am finally pursuing it. I intend to make my military service my career. This isn’t about getting money for college, or just getting training and getting out. This is for the long haul.

I am not engaged in any activity or business that will suffer from extended deployments, unless you count the strain on a marriage. At worst it means I have to wait before I take more college courses, or I have to miss a few seasons of softball.


15 posted on 08/09/2010 2:16:16 PM PDT by HushTX (quit whining)
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To: HushTX

Your HOR (home of record) won’t change from Texas unless you change it, regardless of where your orders take you. Unless you end up at NGB (National Guard Bureau) in DC, you’re extremely unlikely to get permanently assigned outside Texas.

AGRs are under Title 32, which is the “organize, train and equip” function that justifies the federal government providing your pay and benefits. They are, as has been noted, pretty hard to come by.

On the ANG side, there are ART (Air Reserve Technician) slots available at most Guard units that have iron (airplanes), and they’re also full-time, but civilian during the week and military on UTA (unit training assembly) weekends.

Bottom line: to start with, get a slot, get initial and tech training and start pulling duty. Go from there. And welcome.

Colonel, USAFR


16 posted on 08/09/2010 2:20:26 PM PDT by jagusafr ("We hold these truths to be self-evident...")
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To: HushTX

bolobaby is right. You should present yourself to a fulltime NG admin specialist to determine your answer. Full time Guard positions are called AGR positions (or they were - could’ve changed). To apply for an AGR position, you have to be in the Guard so you’ll have to do basic training and a military occupation skill school, i.e., you enlist.

There used to be a federal jobs digest for the military but I’ve not seen one in a long time. I’ll have to get back to you on this. It may still be published. This digest showed AGR openings by state. It could now all be online rather than a printed version.

I don’t know what city you are in but most places do have a local NG unit. It may not be in the particular specialty that appeals to you but that is a choice you have to make.

You could also call STARC in Austin. State Headquarters, Texas Area Command. Likewise, the 149th Personnel Support Battalion and the 71st Troop Command (both in Austin) will be able to answer your questions. Give them a call.

Hope this helps somewhat. Good luck and thanks for your service.


17 posted on 08/09/2010 2:23:59 PM PDT by miele man
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To: HushTX

I would personally visit your state Adjutant General Office or similar command structure for your state and tell them you want guidance as to how to pursue and zero in on a Officer track enlistment for as close to a full time career with the Texas Guard as you can achieve.

I bet they give you a recruiter type appointment but you can drill down to the specifics of what units are near where you desire to live etc.


18 posted on 08/09/2010 2:25:16 PM PDT by KC Burke
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To: HushTX

Title 32 is State and Title 10 is Federal.


19 posted on 08/09/2010 2:27:11 PM PDT by ktw (kakatte koi)
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To: HushTX

First note, once you enlist in any branch of the Federal active reserve forces, you may very well be called upon to serve on active duty with the Army or the Air Force, sooner or later, and these days the active duty is very likely to be one of the overseas expeditionary forces.

The following links may provide you with some insight to the many types of full time military occupations wit the Guard And Reserve military careers.

http://www.agd.state.tx.us/jobs/air/agr/136/136-AGR-10-26%20Material%20Handler%20Supply%20Tech%202S071%2010-26.pdf

http://www.wantscheck.com/GuardReserve/GuardReserveHiring/tabid/74/Default.aspx

http://www.azguard.gov/HRO/documents/Technian_Handbook.pdf

As others have observed, talk to the present members of the units before seeing the recruiter/s.


20 posted on 08/09/2010 2:31:36 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: HushTX

Hey, I am in the Arkansas National Guard, the info posted is pretty good. I will throw another one at you, if you cant get on AGR you can be federal technician wear your uniform and paid on the GS scale. that might be a better route for you , more jobs. usually agr is supply,recruiting,training. I have been in the guard 14 years and did 2 tours to Iraq. I have worked for the guard since 2003 as either a contractor,ADSW or a technician. btw what MOS are you going into?


21 posted on 08/09/2010 2:37:56 PM PDT by 09Patriot (your freedom to be you, includes my freedom to be from you.--Wilkow)
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To: HushTX
It's called AGR (Active Guard Reserve). Here's everything you need to know about the program:

AR135-18

22 posted on 08/09/2010 2:40:31 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: JRandomFreeper
If the Army Guard is anything like the AF Guard, you have to wait for someone to die or retire to get a promotion. I knew a 40 year old SRA (E-4). That's why I went Reserves after my 4 year Active Duty stint. /johnny

i know what you are saying, but a little thing called deployments has taken a toll on that. i was a spc for 7 years then the deployments came around 2003 I have jumped 2 ranks, heck I would be a 7 by now if i could get a BNCOC class.

23 posted on 08/09/2010 2:40:55 PM PDT by 09Patriot (your freedom to be you, includes my freedom to be from you.--Wilkow)
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To: cll
that is very good advice. right off the bat the only way he could possibly get employment is if he is an IT guru and goes the technician route. I have seen it done. One guy worked as a contractor for a few months, he joins couple years later he is warrant officer. but they always need people to do grunt work around the unit or mow the armories, he could get an ADOS gig at 6months at time.
24 posted on 08/09/2010 2:44:38 PM PDT by 09Patriot (your freedom to be you, includes my freedom to be from you.--Wilkow)
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To: 09Patriot

Yeah, I’ve gotten a lot of great information in a short period of time. I am VERY thankful for all the help from everyone.

At least now I know what direction to look for further info.

As to my MOS, I won’t know until I sign, obviously, but I am hoping to be assigned to an MOS that will allow for me to attend the DLI in Monterey. Obviously that means one of the intel tracks.

I figure that might be pretty tough with the Guard, but I’m still hopeful. I thought going “full time” would make me MORE likely to get such an MOS, because I thought it was a case of wanting more full time, rather than having such a limited number of positions. Obviously I had it backwards.

I have a list of MOSs, in order of preference, that I am interested in and/or willing to sign on as.

I am going to do some reading about the AGR and see how I might best be able to pursue that.

Due to my age, I am limited to the Army or Army Guard, which is fine. I consider all branches to be equally honorable and important. It’s just unfortunate that I waited so long to get things underway and am now faced with a limited number of ways to achieve my goals.


25 posted on 08/09/2010 2:48:19 PM PDT by HushTX (quit whining)
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To: HushTX
hush check this out tx guard jobs

btw I know know what surface main tech really is i thought it was actaully blacktoping road so I asked why are they always needing these guys. turns out they work at CSMS could be a mechanic or electronics technician.

26 posted on 08/09/2010 2:48:42 PM PDT by 09Patriot (your freedom to be you, includes my freedom to be from you.--Wilkow)
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To: HushTX

thats linguist, they need arab interps i dont forsee much of a civilian job in that, unless you work it out to get in the FBI. I deployed with an 09L they are natural foreign speakers so they dont have to go to DLI just how to get the info we need. My buddy was a Lebanese christian he was very helpful to us at intel gathering, now he has some good contacts with the FBI, i think he will be hired by them sortly


27 posted on 08/09/2010 2:53:47 PM PDT by 09Patriot (your freedom to be you, includes my freedom to be from you.--Wilkow)
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To: HushTX

thats linguist, they need arab interps i dont forsee much of a civilian job in that, unless you work it out to get in the FBI. I deployed with an 09L they are natural foreign speakers so they dont have to go to DLI just how to get the info we need. My buddy was a Lebanese christian he was very helpful to us at intel gathering, now he has some good contacts with the FBI, i think he will be hired by them sortly


28 posted on 08/09/2010 2:53:53 PM PDT by 09Patriot (your freedom to be you, includes my freedom to be from you.--Wilkow)
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To: HushTX

thats linguist, they need arab interps i dont forsee much of a civilian job in that, unless you work it out to get in the FBI. I deployed with an 09L they are natural foreign speakers so they dont have to go to DLI just how to get the info we need. My buddy was a Lebanese christian he was very helpful to us at intel gathering, now he has some good contacts with the FBI, i think he will be hired by them sortly


29 posted on 08/09/2010 2:54:03 PM PDT by 09Patriot (your freedom to be you, includes my freedom to be from you.--Wilkow)
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To: 09Patriot

I believe some of the 35 tracks go to DLI as well. HUMINT, for one.

I grew up in the Middle East, so learned some Arabic along the way. I just need to stop being lazy and study it again, and get some actual instruction (hence the DLI).

Obviously I want an Intel MOS, but if that’s not possible in the Guard, so be it. I have other interests as well.

As for use in the civilian sector, that’s only a moderate concern. I plan to stay in for a long time, and if I have training as a linguist I can always do contract work like my uncle does. In fact, he opened his own business after getting out of the Marines and is an translator/interpreter.

But really, I want to be in for the long haul, so am set on getting an MOS I can be happy with.


30 posted on 08/09/2010 3:02:19 PM PDT by HushTX (quit whining)
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To: HushTX

Your home of record would always be Texas even if you enlisted RA.

The chances of enlisting for an AGR position is slim and none with none being the term you should look at.

The advice of checking with local units is not bad, especially if you know someone.

The deal is that you can only enlist for a job that exists in a unit *close enough* for you to make drills. Normally that means withing reasonable driving time, not live in Beaumont and drill in EL Paso. But there are exceptions to that, question is will your situation be exceptional? Why should a unit commander fill one of his slots for someone 500 miles away that may not make drills?

Again, look at what your real question is: is it maintaining a home of record which means tax breaks etc or actual residence which the RA cannot promise.


31 posted on 08/09/2010 3:24:46 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (A blind clock finds a nut at least twice a day.)
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To: Eagle Eye

If a full time position is available, my wife and I have decided we are willing to move. As for my reason for keeping residence in Texas, it’s more about my wife staying in TX, near family, if I get deployed. Plus, the tax issue isn’t a bad point.

And I REALLY don’t want to get moved to Massachusetts or Cali.


32 posted on 08/09/2010 3:27:08 PM PDT by HushTX (quit whining)
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To: HushTX

Thank you for wanting to serve. Good luck and come back for advice anytime you need it.


33 posted on 08/09/2010 4:03:00 PM PDT by cll (I am the warrant and the sanction)
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To: 09Patriot; HushTX

Yes, check the linked list posted.


34 posted on 08/09/2010 7:05:30 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Remember in November. Clean the house on Nov. 2. / Progressive is a PC word for liberal democrat.)
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To: HushTX

I “usta be” an RA and reserve recruiter. Something change; some things don’t.

If you want to be full time and don’t absolutely have to live in Texas all the time and can handle some family separation, then go RA.

If you cannot, the look at guard or reserve.

Seeking a FT guard or reserve position off the street ain’t gonna happen without some incredible pull or a very needed skill set.


35 posted on 08/09/2010 7:29:53 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (A blind clock finds a nut at least twice a day.)
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