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High Speed Trains And Stupid Solutions
BillLawrenceOnline.Com ^ | 8-10-10

Posted on 08/10/2010 1:47:43 PM PDT by Tribune7

The feds, since 1991, have had a plan of creating high speed rail corridors throughout the nation including one between Pittsburgh and Philadelphia and since Obama took office $8 billion has been shoved into this opium-pipe dream with billions more expected although that hope may change come November.

Texas and the Sourth outside Florida haven't gotten much of this loot for some strange reason albeit Pennsylvania's not much ahead nabbing a paltry $25.6 million for the Keystone Corridor project.

Grand schemes like this would be great if resources were infinite and the simple building of it was the hardest and most expensive part. The real problems, however, start after the tracks are laid and the shiny new stations open, namely getting people to use it. Remember these things are being built not with the jaundiced eye of someone weighing the risks to his own time and money against the benefits of possible future rewards, but in accordance with starry visions of bureaucrats and trained academic parrots who have literally nothing to lose in the construction.

So the only way people are going to use this thing is by discouraging them -- them not including the bureaucrats and parrots -- from using alternatives namely the planes and automobile parts of the story.

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1 posted on 08/10/2010 1:47:45 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Owl_Eagle; brityank; Physicist; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; GOPJ; abner; baseballmom; Mo1; Ciexyz; ...

ping


2 posted on 08/10/2010 1:48:32 PM PDT by Tribune7 (The Democrat Party is not a political organization but a religious cult.)
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To: Tribune7
"Remember these things are being built not with the jaundiced eye of someone weighing the risks to his own time and money against the benefits of possible future rewards, but in accordance with starry visions of bureaucrats and trained academic parrots who have literally nothing to lose in the construction."
3 posted on 08/10/2010 1:50:24 PM PDT by BenLurkin (Will must be the harder, courage the bolder, spirit must be the more, as our might lessens.)
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To: Tribune7

These are harsh words against Green Willie’s dreams.


4 posted on 08/10/2010 1:51:33 PM PDT by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: mountainlion
I don't have a prob with Willie's dreaming. I have a problem with government trying to make them come true

From the article:

Something else to ponder -- America's freight railroads are owned and operated by private companies. In Europe, they are owned and operated by government. In the 1950s, the percent of freight shipped was about the same. Today, about 38 percent of freight is shipped on railroads in the U.S. compared to 8 percent in the European Union. Maybe to make passenger trains viable again, we should get the government out of Amtrak.

5 posted on 08/10/2010 1:55:10 PM PDT by Tribune7 (The Democrat Party is not a political organization but a religious cult.)
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To: mountainlion; Willie Green

Paging Choo-choo Willie.


6 posted on 08/10/2010 1:55:41 PM PDT by thesharkboy (<-- Looking for the silver lining in every cloud, since 1998)
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To: Tribune7; Willie Green

The solution is to build personal Maglev vehicle/units that could be snapped into flatbeds, conveyed along the tracks and then converted back to wheeled vehicles for driving access roads & highways.

I’ll work on it.


7 posted on 08/10/2010 1:55:41 PM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair - Man's surrender. Laughter -God's redemption)
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To: BenLurkin
"Trained academic parrots, I hate trained academic parrots." , Harrison Ford
8 posted on 08/10/2010 2:05:33 PM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: Tribune7

Nothing in there that anyone with an IQ higher than room temperature couldn’t figure out in a couple of minutes.


9 posted on 08/10/2010 2:07:39 PM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: sodpoodle

AMTRAK should expand the AUTO-Train car ferry concept to more routes. I believe it only runs on the eastern corridor to Florida.


10 posted on 08/10/2010 2:09:07 PM PDT by exblockhead (STOP me before my fingers do it again!)
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To: Tribune7
Here in Tampa we have a little game we like to play. We try to come up with scenarios when somebody would pay $30 for a one-way ticket on a high speed rail to Orlando when they could just take their car and reach their destination much sooner and at lower cost.

So far nobody's come up with a reasonable use case. I suspect that the only time our high speed train between Tampa and Orlando will see significant passengers is when it ferries a bunch of politicians on its maiden voyage (maybe we'll get lucky and it will hit an iceberg!).

11 posted on 08/10/2010 2:09:37 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: Tribune7

GREAT QUOTE !
Oh and I don’t have a problem when dreamers dream WITH THEIR OWN MONEY.


12 posted on 08/10/2010 2:09:59 PM PDT by aumrl (let's keep it real Conservatives)
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To: exblockhead

Agree - it runs from Lorton Va. to Orlando Fl.

http://www.amtrak.com/servlet/ContentServer/AM_Route_C/1241245666320/1237405732511


13 posted on 08/10/2010 2:12:40 PM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair - Man's surrender. Laughter -God's redemption)
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To: Tribune7
I thought it interesting that one passenger train displaced 4 freight trains. Most of the rail lines in the USA are freight designed lines. They are too rough for passenger service. A lot of the eco-natzies want to take over rail and make them upgrade to their Utopian view of what these wackos think should be. The majorities dreams do not mater to them.
14 posted on 08/10/2010 2:21:21 PM PDT by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: Tribune7
The problem with the Philadelphia-Pittsburgh route are all those mountains left there by the previous administration.

How many Philadelphians really want to go to Pittsburgh to catch a Pirates game (and can't drive there or are afraid of flying)?

15 posted on 08/10/2010 2:21:57 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Tribune7

High speed government union expansion!


16 posted on 08/10/2010 2:22:01 PM PDT by HospiceNurse
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To: mountainlion
I thought it interesting that one passenger train displaced 4 freight trains.

And that is worth repeating as well!!!

17 posted on 08/10/2010 2:29:38 PM PDT by Tribune7 (The Democrat Party is not a political organization but a religious cult.)
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To: Tribune7

“Something else to ponder — America’s freight railroads are owned and operated by private companies. In Europe, they are owned and operated by government. In the 1950s, the percent of freight shipped was about the same. Today, about 38 percent of freight is shipped on railroads in the U.S. compared to 8 percent in the European Union. Maybe to make passenger trains viable again, we should get the government out of Amtrak.”

You gave a great set of comparisons that point directly at the problem.

Passenger rail transport, ANYWHERE is a government boondoggle BECAUSE IT IS RUN BY THE GOVERNMENT.

It’s possible, POSSIBLE that passenger rail transport COULD be a profitable, private enterprise.

However, as long as it is created by and propped up by government, changes to (1) the manner of its operations, (2) the way prices of tickets are set, and (3) technology will never be allowed to be discovered by markets and market economics, to make rail passenger systems self-sustaining without government subsidies FOR OPERATING COSTS, as well capital investment.


18 posted on 08/10/2010 2:34:03 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: Tribune7

so I could have a Primanti Brothers and a Geno’s Cheesesteak on the same afternoon?


19 posted on 08/10/2010 2:45:03 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Verginius Rufus

The PA turnpike was largely built on a RR right of way.


20 posted on 08/10/2010 3:23:29 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: The Duke
Here in Tampa we have a little game we like to play. We try to come up with scenarios when somebody would pay $30 for a one-way ticket on a high speed rail to Orlando when they could just take their car and reach their destination much sooner and at lower cost.

You forgot to factor in renting a car once you get to your destination.

21 posted on 08/10/2010 6:05:46 PM PDT by calex59
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To: Tribune7
The real problems, however, start after the tracks are laid and the shiny new stations open, namely getting people to use it.

So what kind of opium pipe has Bill Lawrence been smoking???

Milestone for Amtrak’s Phila.-to-Harrisburg line

by Athena D. Merritt
Philadelphia Business Journal
Tuesday, August 10, 2010


Ridership reached a record 1.27 million trips on Amtrak’s Keystone Line between Harrisburg and Philadelphia last fiscal year, state Transportation Secretary Allen D. Biehler said Monday.

From July 1, 2009, to June 30, 2010, ridership totaled 1.277 million, which was a 3.9 percent increase over the previous fiscal year’s 1.229 million trips.

Pennsylvania completed $145 million in improvements along the 104-mile line, which runs between New York and Harrisburg by way of Philadelphia, in 2006 through a joint effort with Amtrak and the Federal Transit Administration. The Pennsylvania Department of Transportation launched a website to promote ridership on the Keystone Line in August 2008.

Contrary to Bill Lawrence's opinion, Amtrak has had little difficulty establishing new ridership records in the Keystone Corridor.

22 posted on 08/10/2010 6:10:56 PM PDT by Willie Green ("Some people march to a different drummer - and some people polka.")
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To: Wuli

“However, as long as it is created by and propped up by government, changes to (1) the manner of its operations, (2) the way prices of tickets are set and (3) technology will never be allowed to be discovered by markets and market economics, to make ... systems self-sustaining without government subsidies FOR OPERATING COSTS, as well capital investment.”

And just think, we are now applying this “winning” game plan to our HEALTH CARE system! Oh, goody, goody! Can’t wait to see this train wreck - pun intended!


23 posted on 08/10/2010 7:45:56 PM PDT by ExTxMarine (Hey Congress: Go Conservative or Go home!)
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To: Tribune7

So, assuming that a couple of these unneeded “high speed rail” boondoggles actually occurs. How long do you think it’ll be before the full body scan will be necessary before boarding?


24 posted on 08/10/2010 8:17:27 PM PDT by meyer (Our own government has become our enemy,...)
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How long do you think it’ll be before the full body scan will be necessary before boarding?

It will be immediate with people, specifically grandmothers and war heroes, having to remove their shoes.

25 posted on 08/10/2010 9:35:00 PM PDT by Tribune7 (The Democrat Party is not a political organization but a religious cult.)
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To: ExTxMarine

Notice also, particularly in the case of “health care”, that “cost” (as in “how high the costs have become”) becomes part of the political mantra in the selling of the agenda for greater government management of something.

Notice also, that “the savior” himself said the impending future high cost of health care necessitated the kind of “reform” he was advocating.

Notice also that “what the government gives with one hand it takes away with another” and 100% of the total of what some individuals may experience, in “health care” or “health insurance costs” will be offset, by aspects of the same law, with taxes, fees, penalties and added costs mandated on the private sector for a total (cost) that will be at more than 100% of any so-called “savings”.

In other words, every liberal mantra about “cost” and “saving” is a mask and a myth derived from the fact that all they are truly doing is shifting costs, from our private decisions, to greater confiscation of our money by government, and they do so to run an enterprise that ALWAYS costs more than it ever did, or would, if left to our private decisions.


26 posted on 08/11/2010 11:56:29 AM PDT by Wuli
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