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Why conservatives are abandoning the 'gay' issue
http://www.wnd.com ^ | August 17, 2010 | David Kupelain

Posted on 08/17/2010 1:50:23 PM PDT by Maelstorm

"Do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own?" – 1 Corinthians 6:19 NKJV

Sex is sacred.

For millennia, this biblical principle was the bedrock moral value of the Western World.

The mysterious portal through which human beings enter this world, sex was to be reserved exclusively for a man and a woman joined permanently by marriage vows, and all other forms and circumstances of sexual expression were forbidden – locked away, as it were, in a sort of Pandora’s Box, heavily guarded by the sentinels of Judeo-Christian Civilization. Confining sex to marriage was universally seen as essential to strong marital unions and secure families, and thus to the very fabric of civilization itself.

However, this strict but divinely inspired and life-protecting moral code – after enabling century after century of dazzling societal evolution in the Western world – has unraveled in our own lifetimes.

The change first emerged into stark public view during the 1960s under the banner of "sexual liberation" and "gay liberation." While the public was distracted by colorful spectacles of youthful rebellion, psychedelic drug use and the rock "invasion," just below the surface a full-bore assault on Western institutions and values – particularly traditional sexual morality – was taking place.

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To: DBeers

My position is that the free, lawful choice of adults is none of my business. If that’s hard for you to grasp, there’s not much more to discuss. Lawful freedom is for everyone, not just the folks who please you.


41 posted on 08/19/2010 7:08:13 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Obama. Chauncey Gardiner without the homburg.)
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To: muir_redwoods
My position is that the free, lawful choice of adults is none of my business. If that’s hard for you to grasp, there’s not much more to discuss.

Nice platitudes -meaningless BUT they sound nice -just like social justice sounds nice, economic justice too -whoopee!

The rubber hits the road though when you must define such things like "change you can believe in" or "lawful freedom" or even "lawful choice"... DEVOID of legitimate authority law is meaningless...

I do not grasp the ethereal and vague wisps you suggest graspable...

We specifically talk about homosexual sex here and this sex being a premise for marriage. I talk specifics you talk vague -can you feel this distinction -grasp it?

Homosexual sex may be legal -so what? Legality does not imply it a legitimate premise for a supposed societal value of homosexual marriage no more than the legality of group sex or swinging are legitimate premise for a supposed societal value of group or swinging marriages...

If homosexual couplings were of high value to society -were worthy of recognition and privilege THEN where have these great couplings been hiding?

Why do we not see these highly cherished and much sought after loving committed homosexual couplings until now? Why does society reject that which is so good? Why must this good thing be IMPOSED upon society much like the good of health care reform or any number of other leftist "goods" that society is FORCED to buy.

Legal? Sounds nice... Based upon what authority? --Ah... there's the rub...

We had a revolution against not only a country but the laws as well. The revolution was illegal under the law of man and it was only legitimate under the law and greater authority of God.

The same premise that authored legitimate revolution as well deemed legitimate the authority to establish a government upon and concurrently establish the supreme law of the land under. A nation under God -a government under God -laws under God... Do you see a theme?

Mix that into your platitudes and see what is what. Contrast your concept of legal with the one I suggest and ask yourself which one would have, for instance, been a barrier to the many 'lawful' atrocities committed by Communists, Socialists, and Nazis?

42 posted on 08/19/2010 8:11:37 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: DBeers
So you want our nation's laws to be based on your concept of God. I don't. That's a draw.

Learn to understand these specific facts.

The free, legal actions of other adults are not yours to control.

You are free to comment on them; you are not free to control them.

They do not have to have value or legitimacy in your eyes; no one needs to meet your expectations or your approval.

The truth is that the world doesn't give a rats a$$ what you think or say.

Least of all me.

Specific enough for you?

43 posted on 08/20/2010 6:04:21 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Obama. Chauncey Gardiner without the homburg.)
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To: muir_redwoods
Specific enough for you?

NO. You stated nothing specific to the issue of homosexual marriage. I see many words that at best imply your support of the legal freedom of two adults to engage in homosexual sex... I do not dispute this legal factoid that at best in this discussion is a red herring...

Setting aside the red herring, as well setting aside my obvious opposition to the claim that homosexual sex is beneficial and your at best acquiescence or at worst support --We discuss here "homosexual marriage" specifically -at least I do.

As such, THE REAL QUESTION IS: Why should I, or for that matter society, grant value, privilege, benefit, and subsidy to homosexual sex premised couplings?

I oppose the homosexual agenda and this absurd experiment being imposed upon society. Cloaking the absurd in the supposed cherished 'freedom of orifice diversity' which is all about disordered sex does nothing to legitize the illegitimate -that which society places no value in...

"Orifice diversity" is about as sound and legitimate premise for imposing value upon something that society regards as bankrupt...

We see in this case the government used as a tool by the morally devoid leftist elites to impose their values upon society... We see this and we as well see their useful idiots rallying to support them.

One question to ask is -are you one of the useful idiots?

I know I am not...

44 posted on 08/20/2010 7:33:34 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: DBeers
I've told you from the beginning that I have no opinion about gay marriage. I simply don't care and you cannot force me to care. Construct a strawman argument to rail against if it satisfies some creepy need you have but leave me out of it.

It's been my experience in over 60 years of life that the folks most interested in controlling the lives and choices of others are those least able to control themselves.

I think you are rapidly revealing yourself as a useless idiot. Is this finally specific enough for you or did the head injury take all your ability to reason?

45 posted on 08/21/2010 5:49:01 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Obama. Chauncey Gardiner without the homburg.)
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To: muir_redwoods
It's been my experience in over 60 years of life that the folks most interested in controlling the lives and choices of others are those least able to control themselves.

LMAO!!!!!

It would appear you do not care about the issue, you have no opinion on the issue and you state this non position repeatedly...

It would probably take far less effort on your part to take no position and show no care by simply not posting on this subject.

Generally speaking, these homosexual agenda topics posted on FR are posted for the purpose of information and update premised upon furthering discussion and debate regarding how best to oppose the homosexual agenda.

If you simply wish to attempt to ridicule those who oppose the homosexual agenda then it is YOU who have a problem...

Take a hike wimp...

46 posted on 08/21/2010 12:24:22 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: DBeers
I have no problems with solutions to which you could costructively contribute. You have a crabbed little mind with space only adequate for the tiny little person you are. You are free to call me any names you want because, since I don't give a $h!t what you think, I certainly don't give a fv@k what you say.

You can have the last word on this topic. Little tiny brainless children enjoy that.

47 posted on 08/21/2010 2:45:13 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Obama. Chauncey Gardiner without the homburg.)
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To: DJ Frisat
"This conservative is ‘picking his battles’ and sees far more destructive things going on at the hands of Obama and the Democrat majorities in the House and Senate.

You can only fight so many things at any one time..."

Roger that. Keep your eye on the big prize. All the the other stuff will take care of itself.

48 posted on 08/21/2010 2:49:41 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: muir_redwoods
I have no problems with solutions to which you could costructively contribute. You have a crabbed little mind with space only adequate for the tiny little person you are. You are free to call me any names you want because, since I don't give a $h!t what you think, I certainly don't give a fv@k what you say.

You can have the last word on this topic. Little tiny brainless children enjoy that.

Thank you so much for your continued persistent irrelevance...

I will continue as I see fit on this subject you have no opinion on...

49 posted on 08/22/2010 10:34:08 AM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: Maelstorm

conservatives are NOT abandoning the issue.

it is Republicans with too many homosexual staffers controlling them. Congress critters are those with too many DC poofy staffers who direct the message.

It is like expecting shep smith to report a postive pro-marriage amendment story.

As for commentators, it is clear they are in NYC news areas where the behind the sceense types; studio employees, reporters etc. are just more of the same.


50 posted on 08/22/2010 10:38:15 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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