Posted on 08/20/2010 6:26:07 AM PDT by grassboots.org
voted for O. He was against Romney in the primary
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What has being “against Romney in the primary” got to do with voting for Obama ???
Or Glenn Beck ??
I didnt vote for Romney either...
and I’m still “against” Romney..
But that has nothing to do with a decision on whether or not to go to Becks religious meeting..
The Founding fathers never had to contend with mormonism...
It wasnt around yet for another 50 years...
So what?
The point remains that God-fearing people, even those whose theology does not match, can and should work together.
It’s stupid to expect to have theological unity in all of one’s allies.
My answer is unequivocally Yes! IF after claiming to "believe in Jesus Christ" he STILL maintained the DOCTRINE and views taught and held about Jesus Christ by Judaism, Hinduism or the Sikh's AFTER comparing the biblical doctrine of the person and work of Christ with that of Judaism, Hinduism or the Sikh's. A study of their doctrine clearly reveals that neither Judaism, Hinduism or the Sikh's believe any of the following BIBLICAL DOCTRINE regarding the Lord Jesus Christ: that Jesus Christ is not a created being but the creator of the universe and everything it contains, the Son of God, God incarnate, the Messiah of Israel and of the entire world, THE exclusive Savior of the world, the ONLY WAY to God the Father, that He was born of a virgin, that He died and paid the price for ALL of the sins of ALL of mankind for ALL of human history, that he bodily arose again from the dead and bodily ascended into heaven where He now sits at the right hand of God, until His enemies be made a footstool for His feet, that He is coming again, that He will destroy all of His enemies and reign upon the throne of David as the supreme ruler of the entire world for a thousand years and then, He will reign forever from the New Jerusalem.
Since Judaism, Hinduism, and the Sikh's do not believe ANY of the above BIBLICAL DOCTRINE, regarding the person and work of the Lord Jesus Christ. It stands to reason that if any Jew, Hindu or Sikh were to say that they "believe in Jesus", but they still stauncly adhere to what Judaism, Hinduism or the Sikh's believe and teach concerning Jesus Christ it is clear that they believe in another a different "jesus", they are NOT Christians and that they do NOT believe in the Lord Jesus Christ of the Bible.
Unfortunately, Jesus and the Apostles forewarned us that this would come and that there would be many false (other), Christs, and many false ("another") "Jesus'" along with many false Prophets, and many false teachers who would bring in "destructive heresies", denying the TRUE JESUS who paid for their sin upon Calvary:
"For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect." (Matt. 24:24; Mark 13:22)
"false Christs and false prophets will arise, and will show signs and wonders, IN ORDER TO LEAD ASTRAY, if possible, the elect." (Matt. 24:24; Mark 13:22)
"MANY false prophets will arise and will MISLEAD many." (Matt. 24:11)
"But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be FALSE TEACHERS among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves." (2 Peter 2:1)
What if he was Catholic?
Thank you... someone with reason. Given the cult and doctrine that is Mormonism, I have every confidence that, had Mormonism existed at that time those Founding fathers who were Christians and knew the doctrine of biblical Christianity would have also viewed and labeled Mormonism as heresy
Doctrine = "The body of TRUTH."
There is no "freedom", there is no "independence" apart from the Lord Jesus Christ because He alone is THE WAY and THE TRUTH and THE LIFE and He alone has the power to truly set us free:
"Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is the slave of sin. “The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son does remain forever. “So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed.(John 8:36-38)
As for "restoring America", or "restoring independence", God's Holy Word is very clear: all of the uniting, "banding together", all of the collective "fighting for independence" in the world cannot and will not save or help us as a nation, apart from our returning to, knowing and walking with the only TRUE and living God:
"Unless the LORD builds the house, They labor in vain who build it;
Unless the LORD guards the city, The watchman keeps awake in vain." (Psalm 127:1)
The answer to our dilemma is GOD, not just any "god" but the TRUE God! Only He can save us from ourselves, our sin and from total destruction as individuals and as a nation.
The way we learn WHO that true God is and HOW we can come into a right relationship with Him is through the Bible, the Word of God = Doctrine, the body of TRUTH.
Does doctrine sometimes divide? Yes, but that is not a bad thing, it is actually something God uses in order to demonstrate who is approved by God and who is not; what is TRUE and what is FALSE, who is RIGHT and who is WRONG:
"For, in the first place, when you come together as a church, I hear that DIVISIONS exist among you; and in part I believe it.
For there MUST also be factions among you, so that those who are APPROVED MAY BECOME EVIDENT AMONG YOU. (1 Corinthians 11:18-19, Emphasis mine.)
Doctrine should divide who attends your particular church, but it should not divide men of good will who disagree on theology, but agree on political and moral practices.
“moral practices”
We don’t agree on moral practices. Beck apparently thinks it is okay to mock the living God with animated profanities. He think’s it is moral to ignore the imposition of homosexual marriage on a culture.
I know you are against Mormonism and think that anyone associated with it is an apostate, but I have never heard him say a single apostatic thing. I've heard him say some things which were, at most, mildly Arminian, but nothing about spirit children or Joseph Smith or 7 heavens or any of that stuff.
GB wants us to turn to God. He says our problems cannot be solved without Him.
I agree. Does that make me an apostate?
My husband and I are going. See ya there.
Reading my post again here on FR, they are....
“GB wants us to turn to God. He says our problems cannot be solved without Him.
I agree. Does that make me an apostate?”
Maybe. If you think it does not matter what God you turn to, you’re not saved.
Let me ask it plainly. Are you saying that you don’t think that Beck is a follower of Joseph Smith? Or that Mormons understand salvation correctly?
Stay tuned. Early next week I will show
1. He is a Mormon
2. He tries, but fails to downplay the fact.
3. The religion is the original false religion.
I've never heard him mention Joseph Smith in any context.
When he spoke about salvation, he got it mostly right, apart from some Arminianism.
I did not say Mormons understand salvation. I have never heard Mormon views on salvation explained. What I said was that BECK got it right.
I don't want to debate Beck or anything else with you, because you seem to be slightly unhinged on the subject. I will not stay tuned.
It may be "good enough" for you, but it is decidedly NOT "good enough" for God and that is what counts in the end.
Two things here. First, Romans 13 makes this all rather moot regarding any formula that suggests that prayers and faith equals better government. It didn't work too well for our Founders who had to fight a bloody war and then build a government up from scratch. God installs all governments based on His Pleasure and Will, not based on what feel we would prefer.
The second matter is far more grave. It is very obvious to the true believer who is knowlegable about God that what Beck is teaching isn't just Mormonism, but is a direct assault on the Gospel. His teachings are rat poison. The sweet tasting partiotism and love of our history cloaks the damning poison of his core message.
The poison is this: That any faith of any doctrine of any teaching, towards any imagination of God is pleasing to the Almighty Creator. What is rather disappointing is seeing so many people who reject the one True Gospel and feel that there are many paths to salvation. What is worse they take on the name of Christ who they willfully mischaracterize and blaspheme To say that Mormonism is a Christian denomination is to say that Islam is a Christian denomination for even the Muslims believe in Jesus Christ. The Muslims consider Him yet another prophet, and the Mormons consider Jesus yet another created being, a god in a long continuum of created gods. Neither of these characterizations are Christian in the least bit.
So when Beck calls on a Jesus Christ of Joe Smith's imagination, does the true Creator God hear Glenn's prayers? Of course not.
John 9:31-32 Now we know that God does not hear sinners; but if anyone is a worshiper of God and does His will, He hears him.
and
Prov 15:29 The Lord is far from the wicked, But He hears the prayer of the righteous.
Prov 28:9He who turns away his ear from hearing the law, Even his prayer is an abomination.
One can very well argue that for as long as Beck spreads lies about the Gospel and blasphemes God that even his prayers are an abomination to God. So when Beck is assuming the role of the prophet in Joe Smith's White Horse Propecy come 8/27-28, will God hear His prayer? No. Then what fruit can anyone truly expect from this exercise?
Consider this parable:
Luke 11:24-27 "When an unclean spirit goes out of a man, he goes through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he says, 'I will return to my house from which I came.' And when he comes, he finds it swept and put in order. Then he goes and takes with him seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter and dwell there; and the last state of that man is worse than the first."
Is the man in this parable one who tries to clean up his life and absent the Holy Spirit tries to do righteous things causing the evil spirit enough discomfort to depart? Yet for all of these self-righteous works (which sums up Mormon soteriology) the demon returns with friends even more depraved and wicked then the first demon.
I submit that what might just happen, given the lackadaisical attitude nominal Christians have towards the things of God and His Righteousness, this even may be nothing more than just a do-it-yourself house cleaning which, as this parable suggests, can make things far far worse.
Spiritually, I can't see how this can be avoided. Since people are so willing to compromise their relationship with Jesus Christ in order to break bread and koinonia with a blasphemer and heretic, I can't see how God would honor this event - particularly, when the very premise is that man, through his own actions in self-righteousness and self generated "faith" in the fill-in-the-blank God will obligate The Almighty to ignore the wickedness that has gone on for so long.
Even when the good king Josiah, destroyed the house of idols, purged the land of the Sodomites, restored the Temple and was grieved by how far the people strayed from their founding principles, this piety and repentance did not curb the Wrath of the Almighty God which was stored up against Judah for many years. Their fate was already cast. Glenn Beck is no King Josiah.
Glenn Beck is a Mormon. All Mormons follow Joseph Smith.
By saying it was partly Arminian, your implying that he is maybe partly Calvinist, which is ridiculous on its face. Mormons deny the concept of original sin, believing "atonement" plus works saves you.
You don't understand that when experienced Mormons articulate the gospel they use the right words at first. After questioning them further you find that they don't mean the God we mean, the Jesus we mean, the Salvation we mean, the definition of sin we mean, etc.
I am not unhinged, my hinges may be loose but they are still attached.
If you aren't interested in debating, don't post so easily refutable arguments.
O Theophilus! Lover of God! You have born the sword with skill and precision. God’s blessings upon you my friend. I could not have said it better with three concordances, two unabridged dictionaries, and Calvin’s Commentaries as resources.
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