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Ron Paul: I dont believe for a minute that the religion of Islam is our enemy.
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Posted on 08/20/2010 2:39:14 PM PDT by mnehring

As if we needed anymore proof of Ron Paul’s anti-American treachery — and no, I am not speaking of his inclusion in the Democrats’ list of favorite Republicans (though it’s also quite telling), — he’s finally waded into the Ground Zero mosque controversy where — unsurprisingly — he’s chalked it all up to yet another conspiracy theory, fomented by those war-lovin’ neo-cons:

“I think it’s a big distraction, a grand distraction from the real issues… To me it should have been a grand opportunity, and you really touched on the opportunity, because it’s really a property rights issue, and who owns the property? And it’s also a civil liberties issue. It’s a freedom of speech issue… Property rights and civil rights are one and the same… drives the neo-cons nuts… I don’t believe for a minute that the, quote, religion of Islam is our enemy.”

Really, Ron? And I suppose Al-Qaeda is just a CIA fantasy, too?

For the record, the majority of Americans and politicians who oppose the mosque fully understand the constitutional right to build it. Then again, most of us also understand that Islam is a strident political ideology wrapped up in the cloak of religion, and that jihadists committed an act of war against the United States on September 11, 2001 — not the United States government — all in the name of Islam. Further, understanding the history of Cordoba, we are cognizant of the fact that such a mosque is nothing short of a monument to their bloody victory over the “Great Satan” and 3,000 of its citizens on 9/11.

I  know its tough for you libertarians — much like your foreign policy kindred spirits, liberals — to place a moral judgment on anything, but out of respect for 9/11′s grieving families, it would be nice if you’d grant them some deference on this emotionally supercharged, morally reprehensible issue. It would also be refreshing if you’d actually give your country the benefit of the doubt, instead of blaming it for the existence of a so-called religion that preaches death to infidels, practices pedophilia, commits unspeakable crimes against women, and actively engages in a worldwide, genocidal movement with the ultimate goal of imposing a worldwide Muslim Caliphate.

In short, since you’re so fond of conspiracy theories, maybe you can believe in one that’s actually true: Global Jihad. Then temper your constitutional remarks about the Ground Zero mosque with some intelligence and real compassion for your own countrymen — especially those who lost everything on 9/11.


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1 posted on 08/20/2010 2:39:17 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: mnehring

Let’s build one in Your back yard ok Ron


2 posted on 08/20/2010 2:40:50 PM PDT by shadeaud ("If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten." -- George Carlin B)
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To: mnehring

No it’s the Sharia and the Imams who would be more than happy to implement it.


3 posted on 08/20/2010 2:41:16 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: mnehring

Most libertarians - and even many conservatives - believe a nation can stand if its laws/mores/principles are merely neutral. Go figure.


4 posted on 08/20/2010 2:41:54 PM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: mnehring


5 posted on 08/20/2010 2:41:57 PM PDT by Diogenesis (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: mnehring

At minimum is a Muslim wannabe:

•His biological father was a Muslim.
•His stepfather was a Muslim.
•As a child Barry was enrolled in school as a Muslim in Jakarta Indonesia.
•Barack Hussein 0bama’s first and middle names are Arabic Muslim names.
•0bama recited the opening lines of the Muslim call to prayer, which includes a vow of fidelity to Islam, in flawless Arabic on a radio program. - Nikolos Kristoff, NYTs, 3-06-07
•On that same program he said he thinks the call to prayer is “one of the prettiest sounds on earth.”
•0bama belonged to Rev. Wright’s (a former Muslim) church for twenty years. Many congregants are Muslims.
•0bama said that the U.S. is “one of the largest Muslim countries in the world.”
•0bama holds Muslim celebrations in the WH but canceled the National Day of Prayer.
•President 0bama’s religious adviser, Eboo Patel, once deemed the United States “the ideal place for the renewal of Islam.”
•0bama does not give gifts on Christmas.
•0bama doesn’t celebrate his birthday.
•0bama falsely attributes Muslim participation in the founding of America.
•0bama required that the cross be covered when he gave a speech at Notre Dame.
•Christian symbol covered up during Obama’s Georgetown speech
•0bama’s first major speech in office was a “Muslim outreach” speech in Cairo Egypt.
•“The American President told me in confidence that he is a Muslim,” said Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit on Nile TV.
•0bama gave strong support to the Cordoba House community center and mosque to be built at the Ground Zero site of Sep. 11, 2001 at a dinner celebrating the day’s end of the first day of Ramadan at the WH.
•0bama tasked NASA with a mission of “Muslim outreach.”
•0bama referred to his faith as “my Muslim faith” in an interview with George Stephanopolous.


6 posted on 08/20/2010 2:42:29 PM PDT by cruise_missile
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To: mnehring
The Islamic religion isn't our enemy. It is the political force which 60-70% of Muslims are unable to separate from the religion which is.

A number of leaders who profess to follow Islam have actually been steadfast friends of the West. Including the last Shah of Iran and the guy on my Freeper profile page.

7 posted on 08/20/2010 2:43:41 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Al B.; onyx; Lakeshark; Brices Crossroads; Clyde5445

More Ron Paul craziness...


8 posted on 08/20/2010 2:43:53 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: mnehring

Hey Ronny! I have a secret to tell you. Islam is far more than a religion. It is a violent political ideology with it’s own laws and court system. Religion is only one component and is used to impose islam on non muslim societies. Islam is anathema to the U.S. Constitution! The two cannot coexist in the U.S.! The Ground Zero mosque is their in your face way of saying they want to replace the Constitution with Sharia Law! Get a clue Paul!


9 posted on 08/20/2010 2:44:03 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: mnehring

I  know its tough for you libertarians — much like your foreign policy kindred spirits, liberals — to place a moral judgment on anything, but out of respect for 9/11′s grieving families, it would be nice if you’d grant them some deference on this emotionally supercharged, morally reprehensible issue.
 
 
Now, now. Be nice. Libertarians are far to occupied with unlimited porn and legalized dope to worry about silly stuff like this.


10 posted on 08/20/2010 2:44:13 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (PALIN/MCCAIN IN 2012 - barf alert? sarc tag? -- can't decide)
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To: mnehring

Paul followers and islamanazis are equal partners. Both bunches are enemies of the USA and the constitution.


11 posted on 08/20/2010 2:44:13 PM PDT by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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To: mnehring

Ron Paul has lost his mind.


12 posted on 08/20/2010 2:45:10 PM PDT by bmwcyle (It is Satan's fault)
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To: mnehring
Libertarians eventually out their true agendas.
13 posted on 08/20/2010 2:45:12 PM PDT by Mojave (Ignorant and stoned - Obama's natural constituency.)
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To: Diogenesis


To add to your collection, here is Ron Paul with Stormfront founder and son.
14 posted on 08/20/2010 2:45:54 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: mnehring

cuckoo, cuckoo


15 posted on 08/20/2010 2:45:54 PM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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To: mnehring

I had almost talked myself into believing that RP would be an acceptable candidate for conservatives in 2012. I am glad he made this statement now so I can write him off early on.


16 posted on 08/20/2010 2:49:11 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: mnehring

The religion itself may not be, Congressman, but there are more than a few of its adherents who think it is and act accordingly.


17 posted on 08/20/2010 2:49:23 PM PDT by RichInOC ("In the name of Allah, The Inexorable, The Irresistible....")
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To: mnehring

Hey, maybe the Democrats are going to win after all!

Republicans are so fond of attacking each other, there’s not much work for the Rats to do.


18 posted on 08/20/2010 2:49:55 PM PDT by devere
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To: cruise_missile

Adding to your list, the “Adan” Obama recited is actually how one convert to Islam.

It’s the equivalent of a Christian baptism.


19 posted on 08/20/2010 2:50:04 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: mnehring

20 posted on 08/20/2010 2:50:16 PM PDT by humblegunner (Pablo is very wily)
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To: mnehring

I don’t like RP and here’s another reason to revel in my opinion.


21 posted on 08/20/2010 2:50:33 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: devere
Republicans are so fond of attacking each other, there’s not much work for the Rats to do.

Weeding out the RINOs is necessary, be it McCain or Fraud Paul.

22 posted on 08/20/2010 2:51:27 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: mnehring

What rights did Daniel Pearl have, Ron?

What rights did the people on Flight #93 have, Ron?

And the folks working in the Pentagon?

And the innocent hard working Americans in the WTC, Ron?

The muslims don’t have more rights than the above mentioned as far as I am concerned.


23 posted on 08/20/2010 2:52:45 PM PDT by Carley (For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.)
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To: Vigilanteman

Actually, the religion as written in the Koran ,while it may not itself be an enemy in that it is not a person or a nation, is the ideology of our enemy and is adhered to by ALL that are believing Moslems therefore it is, indeed, our enemy as much as Communism was/is our enemy.


24 posted on 08/20/2010 2:52:48 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: mnehring

Ron Paul is a self-serving egomaniac.


25 posted on 08/20/2010 2:53:02 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Is he deliberately sabotaging his son?


26 posted on 08/20/2010 2:53:35 PM PDT by Carley (For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.)
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To: mnehring

“I know its tough for you libertarians — much like your foreign policy kindred spirits, liberals — to place a moral judgment on anything”

We place a very high moral judgement on liberty, and a very low moral judgement on those who deny liberty, as guarenteed in the Constitution. ( You do remember that inconvenient little document?)


27 posted on 08/20/2010 2:53:40 PM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: mnehring

Our boy Ronny has his head up and locked again....but when all is said and done he is a 1000% better than a dumbcrat.... But a stump would be brighter than a dumbcrat....


28 posted on 08/20/2010 2:56:09 PM PDT by RVN Airplane Driver ("To be born into freedom is an accident; to die in freedom is an obligation..)
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To: Daveinyork

I was wondering if a libertarian would show his face here.

So tell me. You support what your boy Ron Paul is saying? That Islam is not the enemy?


29 posted on 08/20/2010 2:56:09 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (PALIN/MCCAIN IN 2012 - barf alert? sarc tag? -- can't decide)
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To: Daveinyork
liberty, as guarenteed in the Constitution.

Which liberty is that?

30 posted on 08/20/2010 2:56:33 PM PDT by Mojave (Ignorant and stoned - Obama's natural constituency.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

“So tell me. You support what your boy Ron Paul is saying? That Islam is not the enemy?”

I think Paul is is own “boy.” why do you think he is mine?

You disagree with Paul, and then choose to slander all libertarians. You must not believe much in individual freedom, which is at the heart of conservatism, making you a progressive.


31 posted on 08/20/2010 2:59:12 PM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: Daveinyork

You mean Liberty like the 10th Amendment in regards to the states and citizen’s right to determine things like zoning laws? The land this is being built on is technically the property of the city, all land in Manhattan is owned by the Port Authority and given long term leases to the builders.

No one is denying the right to practice religion, they are simply asserting 10th Amendment rights when it comes down to zoning in their communities? Or do you think the Feds should tell NYC that they have to allow the mosque wherever the builders want to put it?


32 posted on 08/20/2010 2:59:24 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Mojave

liberty, as guarenteed in the Constitution.
Which liberty is that?
 
 
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The liberty to smoke weed, of course.


33 posted on 08/20/2010 2:59:45 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (PALIN/MCCAIN IN 2012 - barf alert? sarc tag? -- can't decide)
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To: Daveinyork

You didn’t answer my question.

You and Paul are libertarians. And you call me a progressive?

lol. That’s rich.


34 posted on 08/20/2010 3:01:55 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (PALIN/MCCAIN IN 2012 - barf alert? sarc tag? -- can't decide)
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To: RichInOC; All

This is not a multicultural issue....its far greater

Here in this issue, we get to see the power of Sharia. Cash coming in from Iran, Saudiland etc etc even Pakistan.

When the founding fathers thought of America, their little baby, the last thing they wanted was an invasive force to stifle, smother it, and then overwhelm it and kill it.

Most people do not recognize that what happens in a mosque is sedition. Pure and simple. Islam is not just a “religion”, it is a cult. Larger than that though, it is a political system, it is it’s own government, it’s economic system (which includes funding new mosque construction), its judicial...is in its sharia, and its military (jihadis) all rolled into one with one intent ...and that is to rule wherever they take root. It is a invasive, systemic infection looking to take over the host once it has quantum.

This is not just a “religion”, but something that cloaks itself in those terms so it should not be given the same treatment contemplated under the first amendment. The Korans Sharia rules are to consume whatever government there is wherever it goes.
Islam is political, and it’s goal is to supplant and replace. Globally.

When the founding fathers thought of America, their little baby, the last thing they wanted was an invasive force to stifle, smother it, and then overwhelm it and kill it.

The sooner America learns this , the better.

Obama? Obama and Company? Should be tried for treason in this issue for promoting the establishment of a foreign government on our soils. He is doing nothing to protect America as per his oath. Also, as a Muslim, he knows this, he know far better, he knows sharia, but is looking to deceive America.

For all interested...Wanna learn more?

http://thehayride.com/2010/08/louisiana-at-leading-edge-in-fight-against-shariah/#more-5392

and this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib9rofXQl6w&feature=player_embedded

Lets keep America, America!

Obama? Obama and Company? Should be tried for treason in this issue for promoting the establishment of a foreign government on our soils. As a Muslim, he knows this, he knows sharia, but is looking to deceive America.


35 posted on 08/20/2010 3:02:59 PM PDT by himno hero
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To: mnehring
Ron Paul: “I don’t believe for a minute that the religion of Islam is our enemy.”

No, Ron, the religion of Islam isn't your enemy because it's not a person, but there are many Muslims who are.
36 posted on 08/20/2010 3:04:05 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: mnehring
Does Ron Paul know anything about Islam? I would love to know on what basis Ron Paul makes his determination that Islam is a benign religion? What would it take to prove that Islam is anything but a religion of peace. How many terrorist acts and bloody conflicts does it take? My view is that Libertarians, as a rule, are practical atheists (this is different from philosophical atheists). From their point of view, all religions are the same, and that religious views should have no influence in matters of state. People should be allowed to build whatever they want on private property. In the same way, people should be allowed to determine to whom they serve or not serve in their own business, or whom to rent or not rent. I can see why this view is attractive; however, as you know, the government does not allow such actions. The government dictates the limitations of private ownership. I am not allowed to discriminate based upon the government's definition of what constitutes discrimination. It does not matter as to whether I agree with this or not, but we have to work with reality. For instance, certain states or municipalities have laws regulating how close a liquor store can be to a church or school. My point is that there are many factors that determine what someone or something can do on private property. It is not an absolute right for someone to build whatever they want on private property.
37 posted on 08/20/2010 3:04:59 PM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: Responsibility2nd

They are to the Constitution what Fred Phelps is to the Bible. They get an idea in their heads then they twist the Constitution to mean whatever justifies their idea. They also have the same righteous indignation that Fred Phelps has, believing that they have almost a divine authority blessing theirs as the only pure interpretation (thus the claims they are the only people ‘defending liberty’ etc).


38 posted on 08/20/2010 3:05:09 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: mnehring
I don't know why people don't read up more on Ron Paul. The whole Austrian School is crazy and based in fantasy, a sort of right wing version of communism. They believe in anarcho-capitalism as they call it and want to experiment with it on national levels, just like the Soviet Union did with their unproven economics.

Truly crazy.

39 posted on 08/20/2010 3:06:06 PM PDT by oldleft
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To: Responsibility2nd

Did you agree with everything that George W. Bush did? I didn’t, yet I supported him. He did some very dangerous stuff, like medicare part D, no child left behind, and he fought the war on terror like it was some kind of politically correct social program. He should have killed every foreign head of state who supported terrorism, and kept killing them until terrorists had no place to hide.

I don’t agree with Ron Paul on a lot of things, but I agree that the government is way too big, way too expensive, and way too oppressive of our liberties, and I’m talking about federal, state, and local here, and Renaldus Magnus would also agree with that.

You must love big government, or you wouldn’t be mindlessly slandering those who don’t.


40 posted on 08/20/2010 3:07:50 PM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: oldleft

Austrian theory has some good points but it has been really badly twisted by people like Lew Rockwell (who created Mises.org). However, it does have some very off base beliefs such as believing that economics can’t be measured- it is a product of chaos). There is a reason why it has never been implemented successfully anywhere. The part that is frustrating is that the libtardtarians claim it is the only economic theory that stands in contrast to Keynesian economics (which is completely bogus as there are several Conservative economic theories that are far more rational and practical.)


41 posted on 08/20/2010 3:09:47 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: mnehring

They are to the Constitution what Fred Phelps is to the Bible.
 
 
That is perhaps the clearest definition of Libertariansim I've ever seen. Clear and Concise.
 
 


42 posted on 08/20/2010 3:10:47 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (PALIN/MCCAIN IN 2012 - barf alert? sarc tag? -- can't decide)
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To: Responsibility2nd

“So tell me. You support what your boy Ron Paul is saying? That Islam is not the enemy?”

That was the policy of George Bush, father and son, if I recall correctly. Probably 3/4 of Republican leaders would agree with it, if only for diplomatic reasons. I happen to disagree, But I’m not eager to hand victory to the Democrats by stupidly picking a fight with my fellow Republicans.

So are you an Obama agent sent here to try to wreck the Republican Party? You’re doing a better job than the regular Rats.


43 posted on 08/20/2010 3:11:43 PM PDT by devere
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To: Responsibility2nd

Ayn Rand called them the “hippies of the right”.. IMHO, that is one of the best definitions.


44 posted on 08/20/2010 3:11:54 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Responsibility2nd

Some people think that we should spend tremendous about of money to go to the Middle East and fight against Islam until we have no money left or all the Islams are dead.

Others want to keep their money and not worry so much about the Islams.

Fighting the Islams is very very expensive.

I want less government. I want the government to cut taxes and cut spending, even on things that people here like, such as endless expensive wars in the middle east against Islam.


45 posted on 08/20/2010 3:13:23 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: mnehring

Ron Paul doesn’t want to smear all Muslims, deport them, and throw them in concentration camps. THE HORROR!


46 posted on 08/20/2010 3:13:58 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: mnehring

Ron Paul claims he knows history and tradition, yet ignores the name and meaning of this little project in lower Manhattan....the Cordoba Initiative.


47 posted on 08/20/2010 3:14:02 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: Daveinyork
Can you read? Are your eyes going bad? I'll repost....
 
 

I was wondering if a libertarian would show his face here. So tell me. You support what your boy Ron Paul is saying? That Islam is not the enemy?

 

You've replied twice. But failed to answer the question. (By the way - how is this slander? You keep referring to this as slander. Do you even know what slander means?)
 
And now you further evade the question by bringing George Bush into the mix? Try to stay on topic, mmm-kay?
 
And answer the question: As a libertarain, do YOU believe Islam is the enemy?


48 posted on 08/20/2010 3:17:29 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (PALIN/MCCAIN IN 2012 - barf alert? sarc tag? -- can't decide)
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To: Captain Kirk
Funny, no one said any of those things.. just more figments of your imagination.


49 posted on 08/20/2010 3:18:29 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: mnehring

Ron’s a troofer and shows it often


50 posted on 08/20/2010 3:20:22 PM PDT by Figment ("A communist is someone who reads Marx.An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx" R Reagan)
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