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Let Me Translate: We Don't Believe Him - or You [Obama's "Christianity"]
American Thinker ^ | August 22, 2010 | C. Edmund Wright

Posted on 08/21/2010 11:49:17 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Memo to the ruling class media: We are not ignorant or stupid. We've not forgotten Jeremiah Wright. It's not that we don't "know" what faith Obama subscribes to -- it's more that we don't believe him. Or you. Sorry. Not buying.

Besides, sometimes we just like to tweak you with our poll answers -- and use any poll as an excuse to "vote against Obama" in any way, shape or form.

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Frankly, it has been equal parts comedy and insult to watch the ruling class media haplessly wrestle with the reality that millions of Americans believe Obama to be a Muslim. They are so clueless.

As if we needed any more proof-- this is simply another positive dose that the ruling class media and the country are divided by a huge gulf of philosophy, reality and experiences. And they are just beside themselves that a country that was concerned that Obama's (Christian?) pastor is a crazy nut in the spring and summer of 2008 can totally forget about all that in the summer of 2010 and call Obama a Muslim.

They so miss the point. We have forgotten none of that. If fact, apparently now more Americans are deciding to look into all of this and process it in light of Obama's actions.

So allow me to help the media out on this thorny confusing issue:

We know you claim him to be a Christian. We know Obama has at times claimed to be a Christian. We know Jeremiah Wright's Trinity Church claims to be some kind of Christian denomination. We simply doubt it. And the more we watch all of you, the less we are inclined to believe any of it.

(And by "we," I mean folks who would respond "Muslim" or "not sure" to your poll questions).

We also know his father was a Muslim. We know his stepfather was a Muslim. We know that under Sharia Law, he is a Muslim, and that much of the Muslim World regards him as a Muslim. We know his mother was an atheist. We know Obama sent a bureaucrat out to claim that NASA's top mission was Muslim outreach. We know he skipped the Boy Scout's 100th Anniversary bash. We know he's had a couple Freudian slips pertaining to his faith. We know he has called the Islamic call to prayer the most beautiful sound on earth.

We know that in light of all of this, some sycophantic White House spokesperson has the gall to say how "obvious" Obama's Christianity is. Depends on what the meaning of "obvious" is I guess.

There's more. So much more:

We know Jeremiah Wright rejects America's Founding principles -- which are consistent with what we call Christianity -- and many of us believe our founding principles were Divinely inspired. Moreover, we know that Obama is on board with Wright on this -- at least to the point of claiming that our Constitution is flawed in how it grants individual rights and liberty. We happen to think that rights Obama wants to curtail come from our Creator.

We know Obama has appointed proud and unabashed Marxists into his government. We happen to know that Marxism is by definition anti-Christian. We know he has confiscated wealth of others to redistribute to his union thug friends under false pretenses. We know he turned his back on Iranian protestors in lieu of an Islamic regime. We know he publicly defers to folks like Chavez and Saudi royalty more than he does Texas and Arkansas governors. On and on we could go here.

So what is so blamed obvious?

The only thing obvious here is that if Obama is a Christian, he is absolutely awful at walking out his faith. Or -- as might be said at any basic tent revival -- he done "backslid." (does anyone in the media have any idea what either of those phrases mean?)

In other words, we are paying attention to what is real and to what you are reporting -- and the two aren't jiving.

Answering a Poll

Another dynamic here is how the average person contemplates poll question answers. I know that in the isolated sanitized academic world of the ruling class - you tend to look at every poll answer as an equal entity. You tend to look at every answer as a window into the soul and understanding of each responder -- and you assume each responder has given equal thought to your little poll.

You over estimate your importance in our lives.

Frankly, we like to mess with your head sometimes. Had I been polled by Time or the Pew Research group, I'm sure I would have said "Muslim." Do I really believe he is a Muslim? I frankly hadn't given it a lot of thought until now -- but I know he's not a Christian under any definition with which I am familiar.

I know he's a Marxist. I know he hates America. I know he is at the very least sympathetic to Muslims. He has a Muslim sounding name, by the way.

Further, I know that for all of your bashing of George Bush and Sarah Palin over their overt Christianity, it will tick you off if I say I don't believe Obama to be one. For all of your protestations that there's nothing wrong with being a Muslim, you will panic if we think your guy is one. I know you better than you know us.

So to register my displeasure with Obama's "Christianity" and to simply irritate you, I would have answered "he's a Muslim" to your precious poll. It's my way of voting against Obama before November 2010 and 2012.

And certainly I am not alone in this thinking.

And none of us are stupid or ignorant or forgetful. We simply understand that we "shall know them by their fruits." Of course, many in the ruling class ignorant media probably think we are gay bashing when we say that. More proof of how out of touch you are.

Can you hear us now?


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Good idea, if you're ever polled.
1 posted on 08/21/2010 11:49:22 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Excellent post, need to keep this one up front through the weekend. More and more people are looking for truth and answers tight now, much like a person who has just woke up and bright light hurts.

The truth will set us free...funny such an old saying like that will have such a monumental impact on history soon.


2 posted on 08/21/2010 11:56:33 PM PDT by Eye of Unk ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act" G.Orwell)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I have never heard him say “Christ is my Savior”, or even “Christ is the second Person of the Holy Trinity”, or indeed that there are three persons in One God, Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

It is impossible to worship Christ as God and Savior, and also pray to Allah!


3 posted on 08/21/2010 11:57:45 PM PDT by J Edgar
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Obama has jumped the shark.

Yes, I know he was awful from day one, but this mosque thing is where America finally said “We’ve stuck with you because we didn’t want to admit how dumb we were to vote for you, but...”

He’s gone toxic, radioactive, whatever.

For the first time I think he’s a one-termer (no matter how the RNC will try to screw this up by making Romney the nominee).


4 posted on 08/22/2010 12:00:59 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown. -- written by Robert Towne)
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To: Darkwolf377
Palin/Bolton 2012
5 posted on 08/22/2010 12:02:46 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I don't need a newspaper to know the world's been shaved by a drunken barber.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Is 0bama a Muslim?

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6 posted on 08/22/2010 12:04:47 AM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I heart American Thinker bump!


7 posted on 08/22/2010 12:07:30 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (Remember November...I can see it from my house!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Palin/Bolton 2012

I’ve posted to enough of your threads that you know I’m supporting Palin now only because all of the alternatives are so awful—not ONE of the alternatives I’ve seen so far is remotely acceptable to me.

I will say I’m getting closer to warming up to the idea you’ve posted. Not there by a long shot, but...Romney? Huckabee? You guys’re kidding, right?


8 posted on 08/22/2010 12:08:03 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown. -- written by Robert Towne)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Further, I know that for all of your bashing of George Bush and Sarah Palin over their overt Christianity, it will tick you off if I say I don't believe Obama to be one.

There's just too much irony in that statement not to highlight it!

9 posted on 08/22/2010 12:08:39 AM PDT by jellybean (Bookmark http://altfreerepublic.freeforums.org/index.php for when FR is down)
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To: J Edgar
I have never heard him say “Christ is my Savior”, or even “Christ is the second Person of the Holy Trinity”, or indeed that there are three persons in One God, Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

I've never heard him say, "The Holy Bible", but I've heard him say, "The Holy Koran."

10 posted on 08/22/2010 12:10:22 AM PDT by jellybean (Bookmark http://altfreerepublic.freeforums.org/index.php for when FR is down)
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To: Darkwolf377

“He’s gone toxic, radioactive, whatever.”

He’s gone nuclear as far as I’m concerned.

Here you are...posting thoughtful, and very correct posts, and all.

It’s good to “see you”, but you can pretend that you didn’t “see” me if that makes you more comfortable. ;o)


11 posted on 08/22/2010 12:11:23 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (Remember November...I can see it from my house!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I believe he is a Muslim and always have. Actions speak loader than words and he certainly does not act like any Christian I have ever known.


12 posted on 08/22/2010 12:12:03 AM PDT by Ronin (If it weren’t so gruesomely malevolent, Islam would just be silly.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

it is amazing how the media ridicule palin and bush for christianity but proudly proclaim obambi to be one- despite all outward signs to the contrary.


13 posted on 08/22/2010 12:13:16 AM PDT by Mr. K (Physically unable to proofreed (<---oops! see?))
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To: dixiechick2000
It’s good to “see you”, but you can pretend that you didn’t “see” me if that makes you more comfortable. ;o)

If you haven't figured out that I automatically reset each time I log on here, explainin' it won't help. ;P

14 posted on 08/22/2010 12:14:23 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown. -- written by Robert Towne)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Gaston Hall at Georgetown University (a Catholic University)...

Gaston Hall during Øbama's speech...

Those Crosses on the wall must have really bothered this little anti-Christ, because he had them covered.

Now, what Christian would do that?

15 posted on 08/22/2010 12:17:46 AM PDT by Semper Mark (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPvuYxUxEto)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Palin/Bolton 2012
Finally someone who agrees with me..Palin/Bolton 2012.

16 posted on 08/22/2010 12:19:54 AM PDT by American Dream 246 (Open your eyes. Freedom is not a one day fight. Enemies of Freedom are legion.)
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To: Darkwolf377

LOL!

Imagine that...

Yer funny, too! ;o)


17 posted on 08/22/2010 12:21:43 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (Remember November...I can see it from my house!)
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To: J Edgar

Obama is a black muslim.


18 posted on 08/22/2010 12:24:08 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (m)
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To: Darkwolf377

“radioactive”

That is the exact word some Dem op was quoted by Politico as saying.

And he is indeed a radioactive hot mess.


19 posted on 08/22/2010 12:27:42 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t believe anything he says!! Because he is a socialist liar!!!!


20 posted on 08/22/2010 12:29:11 AM PDT by tallyhoe
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Why are the Christian hating media trying to convince us that he is a Christian?

Things that make you go hummmm

What kind of fruit is he bearing ?

Nuff said


21 posted on 08/22/2010 12:41:04 AM PDT by Lera
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I asked in another thread,when was he baptized?


22 posted on 08/22/2010 12:45:25 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This article definitely says it all.


23 posted on 08/22/2010 12:51:53 AM PDT by Moonmad27 (That government is best which governs least. - Henry Thoreau)
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To: Markos33

Those photos alone tell the truth of what he is and isn’t.


24 posted on 08/22/2010 12:52:43 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: wiggen

“I asked in another thread,when was he baptized?”

THAT is an excellent question.


25 posted on 08/22/2010 12:53:57 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: Lera
Why are the Christian hating media trying to convince us that he is a Christian?

Because they were able to con American voters for years - and in '08 they hit the big one! Propaganda works on the clueless!
26 posted on 08/22/2010 12:57:54 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: TigersEye

Executive Order — President’s Council of Advisors on Science and Technology
Whitehouse.gov ^ | April 21, 2010 | http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2499961/posts

“Secretary Clinton Announces New Initiatives to Bolster Science and Technology Collaboration With Muslim Communities Around the World”


27 posted on 08/22/2010 1:00:08 AM PDT by anglian
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To: jellybean
but I've heard him say, "The Holy Koran."

No, you haven't. "Koran", that's how you or I would pronounce it.
Obama says "the Holy Qu'ran".

28 posted on 08/22/2010 1:00:33 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: anglian

Executive Order — President’s Council of Advisors on Science and Technology
Late April. - “making good on a promise he made to the Muslim world last year [in Cairo],” Barack Obama a few weeks ago hosted “an entrepreneurship summit” in order “to deepen ties between business people in the U.S. and Muslim countries.”

More than 250 entrepreneurs, educators and investors from 50 countries will gather in Washington Monday for the two-day summit. The goals include finding ways to make economic and social climates conducive to entrepreneurship, and developing the role of businesswomen.


This sends a signal, one that may make Muslims happier, but will win us no hearts and minds, for they are unwinnable if Muslim. But it may make Islam more attractive, and more powerful. Is that the result the American government wishes? Is that the result that you wish as an American taxpayer, and hence as someone who is paying for such things as this Muslim-American Entrepreneurial Summit, or whatever the damn thing is called?

Is it a good idea at this moment in world history to make people around the world think that to be a Muslim is a positive good, that it will make it more likely that the richest and most economically dynamic country in the world will take an interest in you and help to promote you? Won’t such a policy tend to make Islam a more attractive option for those who don’t really give a damn what they call themselves, and make local Muslims more attractive as possible business partners, even if they contribute very little? What’s next? A kind of international Affirmative Action, where big contracts in the West are deliberately given to Muslim-owned or Muslim-operated companies, just so as to keep Muslims happy, and free of all the economic worries that might lead to bad behavior on their part, as they took out their economic distress on Infidels?

And there is another objection. The people who think that by giving money, say, or providing contacts to Muslim entrepreneurs, we will somehow win them over, make them less deeply believers in Islam itself, are misunderstanding Islam. Muslims are not grateful for the receipt of Infidel funds. They take it as their due. There is no example, in all of the countries where Muslims have received Infidel aid - not in Aceh after the tsunami, not in Pakistan after the earthquake, not in Egypt after all the tens of billions that have steadily been transferred to it, not in Jordan, not in the “Palestinian territories” - there is no example, even one, of some Muslim being deeply, truly, permanently grateful.

Continued at link>

Worth a read. Muslim Economic Summit in Washington http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/05/fitzgerald-that-muslim-economic-summit-in-washington.html


29 posted on 08/22/2010 1:01:15 AM PDT by anglian
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To: presently no screen name

Why are the Christian hating media trying to convince us that he is a Christian?

Because they were able to con American voters for years - and in ‘08 they hit the big one! Propaganda works on the clueless!


Exactly !

If he were a Christian the Christian hating media would hate him too and would treat him exactly how they treat Sarah Palin.


30 posted on 08/22/2010 1:01:47 AM PDT by Lera
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To: jocon307

He don’t answer questions.


31 posted on 08/22/2010 1:05:55 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; dixiechick2000; potlatch; ntnychik

32 posted on 08/22/2010 1:10:33 AM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
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To: PhilDragoo

Looks like the only difference is the BS!


33 posted on 08/22/2010 1:17:35 AM PDT by ScoopAmma (We are led by the Resident -in Chief; aka part-time member of Webelo Troop 44)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If he claims he is a Christian, demand he produce his baptismal certificate.

He doesn’t have one, or he would have shown it by now to demonstrate he is a Christian, not a Muslim.


34 posted on 08/22/2010 1:18:19 AM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: ScaniaBoy
Obama says "the Holy Qu'ran".

Thank you for the correction.

35 posted on 08/22/2010 1:22:15 AM PDT by jellybean (Bookmark http://altfreerepublic.freeforums.org/index.php for when FR is down)
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To: ScaniaBoy

“No, you haven’t. “Koran”, that’s how you or I would pronounce it.
Obama says “the Holy Qu’ran”.

Well, here in Texas we say it KoRan.


36 posted on 08/22/2010 2:04:05 AM PDT by rickb308 (Muslims need to check with Native Americans & ask how that whole cowboys & indians thing worked out.)
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To: TigersEye

Great list. How about when he was sworn in...didn’t he get sworn in again without the Bible? I never did understand what when on then. Muslims don’t celebrate birthdays?


37 posted on 08/22/2010 2:20:06 AM PDT by bronxville
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To: Lera

I’ve always thought that...


38 posted on 08/22/2010 2:21:48 AM PDT by bronxville
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To: Ronin

The “gospel” of James Cone - whom Jeremiah Wright follows, whom in turn the president follows - is a false gospel. It isn’t Christianity. The president can say he’s a Christian all he wants, but at the very least he is following false doctrine.

I personally believe that at some point in the president’s time in office, when he feels the time is right, he will proudly admit to being a Muslim, and the media will immediately start saying “What’s so bad about that?”


39 posted on 08/22/2010 2:25:26 AM PDT by Crazy Packers Fan
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To: kaehurowing
If he claims he is a Christian, demand he produce his baptismal certificate.

He keeps it with his birth certificate.

As I read on another thread . . .

. . . there is actually more evidence supporting the belief that 0 is a Muslim, than there is that he is a U.S. citizen.

40 posted on 08/22/2010 2:28:49 AM PDT by Quiller (When you're fighting to survive, there is no "try" -- there is only do, or do not.)
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To: jocon307

I asked in another thread,when was he baptized?”

THAT is an excellent question.

All records are sealed for eternity of course.


41 posted on 08/22/2010 2:28:54 AM PDT by Artie
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To: Crazy Packers Fan

Yep. Pretty much the way I see it happening. Although, to extend a bit of a fig-leaf to his backers, he might arrange for a few visits from a “respected” iman, after which he will spontaneously “convert”.

Of course, when that happens, all the Muslims in the world will grin and nudge each other while praising his “conversion”, and his brown-nosers in the media will rupture themselves praising his new-found spirituality.

At that point, the Jews that voted for him will adjourn to bars around the nation and get very very very drunk.


42 posted on 08/22/2010 2:32:33 AM PDT by Ronin (If it weren’t so gruesomely malevolent, Islam would just be silly.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A Homerun by C. E. Wright!


43 posted on 08/22/2010 2:46:46 AM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’ve answered a few polls and I lie.
Specially ANY political poll.


44 posted on 08/22/2010 2:49:38 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Obammy is little more than a quota boy.)
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To: TigersEye
0bama doesn't celebrate his birthday.

OMG - I forgot about that. Here I was wondering why Michelle O was in Spain for his birthday. I was thinking it was some kind of palace intrigue. But it makes sense now - he doesn't celebrate birthdays according to Muslim tradition

45 posted on 08/22/2010 3:25:13 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Compact Theory)
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To: TigersEye; J Edgar

Notre Dame should lose it’s charter as a Catholic school for that little display. Or non display.

I’ve never heard him say “I am not a muslim”.


46 posted on 08/22/2010 3:43:52 AM PDT by Terry Mross (I)
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To: Mr. K

It’s amazing to me how people are said to be “wrong” if they answered the poll that they believe he’s a muslim. I didn’t know polls had right or wrong answers. Was it a test?


47 posted on 08/22/2010 3:45:15 AM PDT by Terry Mross (I)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Can you hear us now?

They certainly will in November.


48 posted on 08/22/2010 5:00:11 AM PDT by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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To: PhilDragoo

Good one !


49 posted on 08/22/2010 5:25:26 AM PDT by ComeCulturedGirl (I win !)
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To: presently no screen name
"Those photos alone tell the truth of what he is and isn’t."

His soul is as dark as the backdrop that he demanded for himself at Georgetown.

50 posted on 08/22/2010 5:34:46 AM PDT by Semper Mark ("The only people who don't want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide." - Obama)
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