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What’s the Second Coming of FDR Without a Depression?
Pajamas Media ^ | August 24, 2010 | Ed Driscoll

Posted on 08/25/2010 6:56:53 AM PDT by Rashputin

And we know that Keynes’ medicine — spend ‘til a nation is even more broke than it was at the start of the Depression — wouldn’t go over well with the American people during 1932, since it wasn’t a part of Roosevelt’s platform. FDR, to listen to him, seemed most concerned with ending Prohibition, and far from promoting massive Make Work Projects, in some ways, ran to the right of Herbert Hoover.

But thanks to almost three quarters of a century worth of self-perpetuated myths, today’s liberals actually couldn’t wait for the 21st century economy to collapse before literally promising to dust-off 70-year old programs. Pennsylvania Democrat Paul Kanjorski was quoted in May of 2008 as saying:

“All we’re doing is going into the basket and saying, ‘Damn, what did they do in ‘32, what did they do in ‘34, what did they do in ‘36,’ and we’re pulling them out, dusting them off, giving them a paint job, correcting the fenders a bit, and we’re using them…To get us through the horrendous problems we may have over the next several years, we’ve got to make these old programs work, and we’ve got to be as inventive as hell.”

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I know some democrats who are disappointed that the economy didn't collapse into soup lines and 25% unemployment so their hero Barry could shine. None of them can face the simple fact that the FDR era they think of as the "good old days" wasn't good for more than a very few and mostly good only in the eyes the socialists of that time along with the revisionists socialists who have run academia since then. These same sad democrats are only now beginning to wonder about why with trillions spent there aren't any people working. True, they think they should be in WPA types of programs, but at least they notice that trillions were spent to no effect.

How detached from reality do you have to be to think that it would have been a good thing had the country already collapsed into a depression so your hero could look good? I have a tough time talking with this sort of people but I keep trying. Now that several of them are worried about keeping their homes, they may finally have to stick their heads out of the fantasy they live in and look around.

1 posted on 08/25/2010 6:56:55 AM PDT by Rashputin
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To: Rashputin

Reading

The Forgotten Man by Amity Shales

It’s an accounting of everything FDR did to prolong the depression.

O is following along precisely. BEWARE


2 posted on 08/25/2010 7:00:13 AM PDT by Carley (For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.)
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To: Carley

I’m rereading “Liberal Fascism”.
Same thing there.


3 posted on 08/25/2010 7:02:08 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am inyenzi on the Religion Forum)
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To: Rashputin

We are about at the Keynsean Economic endpoit. The economy is unstimulable without total and complete change away form socialist government control. In short the government is broke and the enablers at the Fed are out of tools to help them.


4 posted on 08/25/2010 7:03:35 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (m)
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To: Rashputin

>>How detached from reality do you have to be to think that it would have been a good thing had the country already collapsed into a depression so your hero could look good?<<

Hey, there are people here on FR who want the economy to collapse so they can show how prepared they are.


5 posted on 08/25/2010 7:03:41 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am inyenzi on the Religion Forum)
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To: netmilsmom

....and to prove that they were right.


6 posted on 08/25/2010 7:06:39 AM PDT by tatown (Obama is Kenyan for "I make love to a woman that looks like Patrick Ewing")
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To: Rashputin

Can’t wait for the dust bowl. Yes indeedee Happy Days are here again!! Bonus marchers and fireside chats from Obama should be next. From now on, we should only take his picture in black and white so that he can get more in touch with his hero FDR...


7 posted on 08/25/2010 7:07:32 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: tatown

Exactly.
Same with the H1N1 debate. They wanted people to die so we could all say how right they were.


8 posted on 08/25/2010 7:08:30 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am inyenzi on the Religion Forum)
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To: netmilsmom

When Corporations refused to hire because of the uncertainly of regulations that may have been coming along FDR simply added an excess profits tax and took the money from the corporations.

That may be what is behind this constant rhetoric about the billions of dollars that corporations are keeping rather than spending on hiring.


9 posted on 08/25/2010 7:10:21 AM PDT by Carley (For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.)
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To: Carley; netmilsmom

“Reading

The Forgotten Man by Amity Shales”

and “Liberal Fascism”

As I as well, it’s hard to spend enough time educating ourselves. Don’t know if we’ll have enough time before it’s too late =(

BTW netmilsmom, I was just emailed the cartoon on your site. I would post it here but not sure how to post pictures.


10 posted on 08/25/2010 7:10:48 AM PDT by vanilla swirl (We are the Patrick Henry we have been waiting for!)
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To: netmilsmom

Don’t forget about bird flu too.


11 posted on 08/25/2010 7:12:17 AM PDT by tatown (Obama is Kenyan for "I make love to a woman that looks like Patrick Ewing")
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To: Rashputin

I think the main difference between now and the 1930’s is that now the gubmint is paying everybody not to work.............with credit cards.................from the Chicoms.

That should end well!


12 posted on 08/25/2010 7:12:41 AM PDT by vanilla swirl (We are the Patrick Henry we have been waiting for!)
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To: Carley
Read also The Roosevelt Myth by John T. Flynn. It is a contemporary view (1948) of FDRs failed and cynical "progressive" administration.

http://www.amazon.com/Roosevelt-Myth-John-T-Flynn/dp/0930073274

13 posted on 08/25/2010 7:14:41 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Carley
I knew from the beginning that No-bama was going to try to pattern himself after FDR.

Problem is...he doesn't have the slickness of FDR. He's impulsive and flip-flops all the time.

Another big problem...during FDR's time communism was a new thing...an "experiment" for which the people had a fascination and the MSM of that day tantalized them with shiny, new socialist messages.

We're now at the other end of that bracket where communism has been tried and failed. And our modern day left-wing MSM is LOSING credibility fast. All the Keynesian hype is worn out and the shiny new messages are conservative ones broadcast by an anti-establishment media.

Obama's gonna find out he is more an Elmer Gantry than a FDR.

14 posted on 08/25/2010 7:15:02 AM PDT by what's up
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To: Rashputin
I know some democrats who are disappointed that the economy didn't collapse into soup lines and 25% unemployment so their hero Barry could shine.

Real unemployment is not far off from 25%.

There are ~40 million people food shopping with an EBT card. They would all be in a soup line without it.

Times *are* that bad. And the Dems are doing nothing to help.

15 posted on 08/25/2010 7:30:52 AM PDT by ScottyinTN
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To: ScottyinTN
Real unemployment is not far off from 25%. There are ~40 million people food shopping with an EBT card. They would all be in a soup line without it.

Excellent points. Democrat dimwits like those I sometimes talk to are probably so used to dealing only with the images of things and symbolic actions that reality doesn't matter all that much in the way they look at things. Until they see people lined up awaiting a bowl of soup they can't believe they exist no matter how many of them there are in reality.

Regards

16 posted on 08/25/2010 7:45:12 AM PDT by Rashputin (Obama is already insane and sequestered on golf courses or vacations so you won't know it)
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To: Rashputin
Obama longs to be FDR. My grandmother died a FDR democrat who told me many times how he gave Americans hope with the WPA.

Roosevelt only had AM radio and newpapers to deal with not cable news and the internet. My grandparents were not going to know anything about different economic theories, or even much about what Roosevelt was doing. She didnt know he was trying to keep food prices up while millions of kids went to bed hungry.

The article also points out that back then building projects like bridges could be started right away, where now they may take a decade to get get started.

Lastly Roosevelt destroyed crops to help the farmers (food prices from collapsing) while millions of people waited on breadlines for ‘day old bread’ for their families. But now food prices are rising on their own (maybe food stamps and other programs help ) while houses are being foreclosed on and workers are being laid off.

Talk to a liberal who believes in FDR, they will always end with "WWII ended the depression". You can see the problem with that analogy.

17 posted on 08/25/2010 8:00:53 AM PDT by sickoflibs ("It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: Rashputin

FDR was a Communist.


18 posted on 08/25/2010 8:20:32 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Rashputin

” democrats who are disappointed that the economy didn’t collapse into soup lines and 25% unemployment “

But it did.

We have 41 million on food stamps, that is modern version of a soup line. There are only 80 million households in the US.

We have a minimum of 29% unemployment. Obama simply plays funny with the numbers to say even though there are more and more unemployed the percent unemployed never goes above 9.5%.


19 posted on 08/25/2010 8:22:59 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Rashputin
Until they see people lined up awaiting a bowl of soup they can't believe they exist no matter how many of them there are in reality.

I can sure see it. Go into a grocery store here at the beginning of the month and it's packed. The shelves are stripped bare faster than they can be restocked. Everyone is paying with the card. Go shopping at the end of the month and the store is empty. With the possible exception of some seniors that are using up the last of their card.

20 posted on 08/25/2010 8:31:49 AM PDT by ScottyinTN
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To: CodeToad
We have 41 million on food stamps, that is modern version of a soup line. There are only 80 million households in the US.

Exactly! I say this all the time to whomever will listen: Food stamps are today's soup lines equivalent. The ignorant American public at large doesn't see actual soup lines of hungry people on TV, and a food stamp statistic just doesn't carry the same visceral impact.

So yeah, we ARE in a depression. With California already insolvent and paying vendors with worthless IOUs, how long do we think Big Brother can continue the charade?

21 posted on 08/25/2010 9:58:56 AM PDT by Zeddicus
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To: Zeddicus

I believe Kansas is also paying using IOUs.


22 posted on 08/25/2010 10:02:09 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Rashputin

Democrats want this country to collapse with them in charge. Shortly after 9/11, the dim media was all in a tizzy because bill clinton wasn’t in power when the attack happened. And the reason was that he would have an opportunity to shine. Just flat out sick.


23 posted on 08/25/2010 1:09:41 PM PDT by Texas resident (Outlaw fisherman)
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