Skip to comments.Army Birther Seeks Obama School Records
Posted on 09/02/2010 1:32:21 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
An Army doctor charged with disobeying a deployment order because he doubts President Barack Obama's credentials as commander in chief is asking a military judge for access to the president's school and college records. Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin also is requesting during a hearing Thursday at Fort Meade a subpoena to depose the custodian of Obama's birth records with the state of Hawaii.
(Excerpt) Read more at wjz.com ...
I pray for Lt. Col. Lakin. our country is being destroyed by this fraud in the white house and all the felons of all political stripes that have taken part in the conspiracy to destroy America. They all should be charged with Treason.
According to Dr. Kate, Lakin has been locked up on psychiatric ward.
So, what’s the general consensus?
Is the Army gonna blink (again) or risk taking this to trial?
He is making a strong case for the records and the deposition of the Hawaii official. If the .gov is right in their case, then what’s the problem with allowing his counsel to depose them?
My chips are on the Army blinking.
This would not surprise me in the least.
When I heard that I thought it strangely out of place. Why would a sitting president make such a completely irrational statement in a televised interview. He must really be feeling the heat from Lakin to have made such a comment.
If Obama is worried, it is a really big deal. Narcissists aren't accustom to worrying (or introspection for that matter) and lack the experience needed to handle it.
His emotional and childishly irrational statement sounds to me like he is in or near a state of panic!
“According to Dr. Kate, Lakin has been locked up on psychiatric ward.”
Yep, and the Lt. Col. was being recommended for a command position at Walter Reed before he decided to out Øbama. The Army early on tried to pressure him to resign but he refused.
Maj. Nidal Hasan is treated like a hero while Lt.Col Lakin is treated as a traitor.
Something is so wrong.
The Investigating Officer already said no. I don't see the judge changing that because if Obama's birth certificate is irrelevant to the charges Lakin is facing the school records are even less relevant.
I'll bet it goes to trial.
Many have said he looked awful in that speech the other night...he is losing it...
Just like the Soviet Union did to any of it’s sincere moral or ethical critics.
You think one single General officer will swear to Obama being a citizen?
It is my opinion that LTC Lakin's request for discovery relating to the President's birth records in Hawaii is absolutely essential to determining not merely his guilt or innocence but to reassuring all military personnel once and for all for this President whether his service as Commander in Chief is Constitutionally proper. He is the one single person in the Chain of Command that the Constitution demands proof of natural born citizenship. This determination is fundamental to our Republic, where civilian control over the military is the rule. According to our Constitution, the Commander in Chief must now, in the face of serious - and widely held - concerns that he is ineligible, either voluntarily establish his eligibility by authorizing release of his birth records or this court must authorize their discovery. The invasion of his privacy in these records is utterly trivial compared to the issues at stake here.Gen McInerney is West Point graduate and military analyst for Fox News.
What is the risk to the Army?
The Army pursued charges that wouldn’t be directly relevant to Obama’s birth records, however, LTC Lakin’s reason for refusing to follow orders IS relevant to Obama’s birth records. How exactly does Lakin explain and defend himself without talking about it?? The question is whether his motivation was justified, and this could be easily established with the release of an official birth record. It could also potentially prove that Obama is a fraud and therefore illegally occupying the office of President and Commander in Chief.
Not really. The orders were issued as part of an overall directive from the White House. Lakin's superiors weren't arbitrarily issuing these orders independent of the CinC's strategy on Afghanistan. The affadavit from Gen. McInerny suggests the foundation of all orders is impacted directly by Obama's lack of eligibility.
If past history is any judge Lakin's motivation won't be seen as relevant. The court will be concerned with if he refused to obey the orders of his three superior offices, not why he did it. Officers like Yolanda Huet-Vaughn and Ehren Watada, and enlisted men like Michael New all tried to make their reasons for refusing to obey orders part of their trial and they failed in every case. And the investigating officer for his Article 32 hearing said as much in his report when he denied defense requests for any documentation concerning Obama. Lakin will be tried and convicted without Obama being brought into it. And I suspect the Army will throw the book at him as an example to discourage anyone else who might choose to follow his lead. He could well wind up in Leavenworth.
Two of the counts charge that Lakin refused to obey the orders of his superior officer to report to the office of his brigade commander. A third count was refusing to obey the order of a superior officer to report for temporary duty with the 101st. Are you saying Obama originated all those orders? Or that the brigade commander cannot order one of his own officers to report to his office? You, and Lakin, will have a difficult if not impossible time proving that at his court martial.
Lakin refused his orders because they weren’t based on a lawful foundation. If he’s not allowed to make that case, then he’s being denied due process. It’s one thing if the court disagrees with the conclusion of unlwafulness, but it’s a different thing to deny someone a fair trial.
I’ve explained pretty clearly that these orders were issued in support of Obama’s Afghanistan campaign. The temporary duty assignments weren’t for routine, day-to-day operations.
Lakin will get every chance to try and show in court why the orders of Colonel Roberts and Lieutenant Colonel Judd for Lakin to report to his brigade commanader's oficer were unlawful, as well as why the order of Lieutenant Colonel McHugh to report for duty with the 101st was unlawful as well. He doesn't need any documentation on Obama to for that.
Order to report to his brigade commander were in support of Obama's Afghanistan campaign? You will have a very hard time making that case in court.
“Maj. Nidal Hasan is treated like a hero while Lt.Col Lakin is treated as a traitor.”
Who is treating Hasan like a hero?
Does anyone know when we’ll hear what happened at this hearing?
Is it a rumor, or is it the truth, that Lakin has been confined to a locked psychiatric ward?
Any of you happen to know what happened in court today, and if there is any truth to reports that Lakin has been confined to a locked psych ward????
Hasan was initially hospitalized in the intensive care unit at Brooke Army Medical Center at Fort Sam Houston in San Antonio, Texas, under heavy guard,with his condition described as “stable”.News reports on November 7, 2009, indicated that he was in a coma. On November 9, Brooke Army Medical Center spokesman Dewey Mitchell announced that Hasan had regained consciousness, and been able to talk since he was taken off a ventilator on November 7. On November 13, Hasan’s attorney John Galligan announced that Hasan was paralyzed from the waist down, and will likely not walk again. In mid-December, Galligan indicated that Hasan was moved from intensive care to a private hospital room, yet still remained under guard while recovering. Galligan further stated that doctors said Hasan would need at least two months in the hospital to learn “to care for himself.”
treated like a hero!!!!!
After a statement like that, it is Obama who should have been locked up in a psych ward.
Where did you hear that about Dr. Kate stating that Lakin has been locked up & away in a psychiatric ward?
Is it a MILITARY psych ward? Or is it civilian? WHERE is the psych ward, what hospitial, which city/state??
I am very curious if maybe the MILITARY has temporarily “stashed” Lakin somewhere where they believe that no one can assassinate him.
Thank you, Satin Doll!!
The military wants this to be about their orders only -- but their orders are meaningless outside of the chain of command which requires a legal CiC.
“SHARON: Is that Margaret Hemenway?
DR. KATE: Yes. Shes terrific. She was on Revolution Radio a little while ago, so this will work. We are outraged that hes being held in the Psychiatric ward of Walter Reed.
SHARON: Is he still working or has he been admitted to the Psychiatric ward?
DR. KATE: I think he was admitted and held there, and I understand from speaking with Margaret yesterday that he is working. So whether they allow him to go home or require him to work and then stay there, I think its outrageous. We will find out what the story is and his status.
SHARON: I did not know this.
DR. KATE: I am outraged. Hes one of our heroes.”
No news yet.
I’ll post something if I hear
Thank you roaddog727!!
I really appreciate it, I was expecting there to be several ongoing threads by NOW.
Cya later, please ping me, okay?
Well, if you say so.
... that means... that Lakin in on “work release” each day from the locked psychiatric ward at Walter Reed, hey?
.... Terrence Lakin is in the GULAG, right?
They’ll never honor the subpeona. The requests for documentation will be quashed, just as they were in other trials.
Prediction- The man will be charged guilty. Discharged dishonorably. The fix is in.
Freeper roaddog727 said they’ll post what happenned just as soon as they find out, over here in this thread.
You ping me sometimes, hennie pennie, and I appreciate any and all pings about Col. Lakin, thank you.
Are you even paying attention to what you're writing?? How would you make the case that Obama's orders aren't legitimate if you aren't allowed to pursue or present the documentation that supports your claim??
You ping me sometimes, hennie pennie, and I appreciate any and all pings about Col. Lakin, thank you.
That particular charge against Lakin is classified under article 92, which says, "General orders or regulations are those orders or regulations generally applicable to an armed force which are properly published by the President or the Secretary of Defense ..." Looks pretty clean to me.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.