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Army Birther Seeks Obama School Records
WJZ-TV / The Associated Press ^ | Sep 2, 2010

Posted on 09/02/2010 1:32:21 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

An Army doctor charged with disobeying a deployment order because he doubts President Barack Obama's credentials as commander in chief is asking a military judge for access to the president's school and college records. Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin also is requesting during a hearing Thursday at Fort Meade a subpoena to depose the custodian of Obama's birth records with the state of Hawaii.

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TOPICS: Conspiracy; Education; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; drkate; kenyabelieveit; lakin; ltgenmcinerney; mcinerney; military; naturalborncitizen; nobc; nobirthcertificate; nohonesty; nointegrity; obama; obamanoncitizenissue; terrencelakin; terrylakin; thomasmcinerney; usurper
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Watch him just disappear from sight.
1 posted on 09/02/2010 1:32:27 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I pray for Lt. Col. Lakin. our country is being destroyed by this fraud in the white house and all the felons of all political stripes that have taken part in the conspiracy to destroy America. They all should be charged with Treason.


2 posted on 09/02/2010 1:46:16 AM PDT by rambo316
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

According to Dr. Kate, Lakin has been locked up on psychiatric ward.


3 posted on 09/02/2010 1:46:54 AM PDT by SatinDoll (No Foreign Nationals as our President!)
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To: SatinDoll

So, what’s the general consensus?

Is the Army gonna blink (again) or risk taking this to trial?

He is making a strong case for the records and the deposition of the Hawaii official. If the .gov is right in their case, then what’s the problem with allowing his counsel to depose them?

My chips are on the Army blinking.


4 posted on 09/02/2010 1:58:32 AM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: SatinDoll
According to Dr. Kate, Lakin has been locked up on psychiatric ward.

This would not surprise me in the least.

5 posted on 09/02/2010 2:18:35 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This brings to mind Obama's statement the other day that he couldn't walk around with his birth cert plastered to his forehead.

When I heard that I thought it strangely out of place. Why would a sitting president make such a completely irrational statement in a televised interview. He must really be feeling the heat from Lakin to have made such a comment.

If Obama is worried, it is a really big deal. Narcissists aren't accustom to worrying (or introspection for that matter) and lack the experience needed to handle it.

His emotional and childishly irrational statement sounds to me like he is in or near a state of panic!

6 posted on 09/02/2010 2:42:10 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies (This year Christmas is coming in November!)
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To: SatinDoll

“According to Dr. Kate, Lakin has been locked up on psychiatric ward.”

Yep, and the Lt. Col. was being recommended for a command position at Walter Reed before he decided to out Øbama. The Army early on tried to pressure him to resign but he refused.


7 posted on 09/02/2010 2:44:11 AM PDT by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: SatinDoll

Link please.


8 posted on 09/02/2010 2:46:30 AM PDT by Ronin (If it were not so gruesomely malevolent, Islam would just be silly.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

YEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSS !!!


9 posted on 09/02/2010 3:37:30 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: bjorn14

Maj. Nidal Hasan is treated like a hero while Lt.Col Lakin is treated as a traitor.

Something is so wrong.


10 posted on 09/02/2010 4:12:59 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair - Man's surrender. Laughter -God's redemption)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
An Army doctor charged with disobeying a deployment order because he doubts President Barack Obama's credentials as commander in chief is asking a military judge for access to the president's school and college records. Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin also is requesting during a hearing Thursday at Fort Meade a subpoena to depose the custodian of Obama's birth records with the state of Hawaii.

The Investigating Officer already said no. I don't see the judge changing that because if Obama's birth certificate is irrelevant to the charges Lakin is facing the school records are even less relevant.

11 posted on 09/02/2010 4:15:05 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
My chips are on the Army blinking.

I'll bet it goes to trial.

12 posted on 09/02/2010 4:17:31 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: SonOfDarkSkies

Many have said he looked awful in that speech the other night...he is losing it...


13 posted on 09/02/2010 4:18:47 AM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: sodpoodle

Political Correctness


14 posted on 09/02/2010 4:22:09 AM PDT by expatguy (Support "An American Expat in Southeast Asia" - DONATE)
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To: SonOfDarkSkies
I couldn't make sense of that comment either, but I'm getting used to the anointed one not making any sense. It would seem that the ruling class has some sort of schizophrenia and childish petulance as a common malady.
15 posted on 09/02/2010 4:40:59 AM PDT by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: markomalley

Just like the Soviet Union did to any of it’s sincere moral or ethical critics.


16 posted on 09/02/2010 5:15:46 AM PDT by Leisler ("Over time they create a legal system that plunders and a moral code that glorifies it." F. Bastiat)
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To: trebb

You think one single General officer will swear to Obama being a citizen?


17 posted on 09/02/2010 5:17:42 AM PDT by Leisler ("Over time they create a legal system that plunders and a moral code that glorifies it." F. Bastiat)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Slate reports that Lt. Gen. Thomas McInerney (ret.) has signed an affidavit supporting Col. Lakin. This is what it says:
It is my opinion that LTC Lakin's request for discovery relating to the President's birth records in Hawaii is absolutely essential to determining not merely his guilt or innocence but to reassuring all military personnel once and for all for this President whether his service as Commander in Chief is Constitutionally proper. He is the one single person in the Chain of Command that the Constitution demands proof of natural born citizenship. This determination is fundamental to our Republic, where civilian control over the military is the rule. According to our Constitution, the Commander in Chief must now, in the face of serious - and widely held - concerns that he is ineligible, either voluntarily establish his eligibility by authorizing release of his birth records or this court must authorize their discovery. The invasion of his privacy in these records is utterly trivial compared to the issues at stake here.
Gen McInerney is West Point graduate and military analyst for Fox News.

ML/NJ

18 posted on 09/02/2010 5:34:48 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
"Is the Army gonna blink (again) or risk taking this to trial?"

What is the risk to the Army?

19 posted on 09/02/2010 6:47:57 AM PDT by mlo
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To: Non-Sequitur

The Army pursued charges that wouldn’t be directly relevant to Obama’s birth records, however, LTC Lakin’s reason for refusing to follow orders IS relevant to Obama’s birth records. How exactly does Lakin explain and defend himself without talking about it?? The question is whether his motivation was justified, and this could be easily established with the release of an official birth record. It could also potentially prove that Obama is a fraud and therefore illegally occupying the office of President and Commander in Chief.


20 posted on 09/02/2010 7:55:58 AM PDT by edge919
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To: edge919
The Army pursued charges that wouldn’t be directly relevant to Obama’s birth records, however, LTC Lakin’s reason for refusing to follow orders IS relevant to Obama’s birth records.

Obama's birth records might be relevant to Lakin's reason for refusing to follow orders. Unfortunately for Lakin, his reason for refusing to follow orders is irrelevant to the charges against him. Even if Lakin were to prove that Obama is not eligible to serve as President, he would still be just as guilty under military law.

That's why I would be very surprised if the judge granted Lakin's request.
21 posted on 09/02/2010 8:13:31 AM PDT by The Pack Knight (Laugh, and the world laughs with you. Weep, and the world laughs at you.)
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To: The Pack Knight
Even if Lakin were to prove that Obama is not eligible to serve as President, he would still be just as guilty under military law.

Not really. The orders were issued as part of an overall directive from the White House. Lakin's superiors weren't arbitrarily issuing these orders independent of the CinC's strategy on Afghanistan. The affadavit from Gen. McInerny suggests the foundation of all orders is impacted directly by Obama's lack of eligibility.

22 posted on 09/02/2010 8:22:35 AM PDT by edge919
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To: edge919
The Army pursued charges that wouldn’t be directly relevant to Obama’s birth records, however, LTC Lakin’s reason for refusing to follow orders IS relevant to Obama’s birth records.

If past history is any judge Lakin's motivation won't be seen as relevant. The court will be concerned with if he refused to obey the orders of his three superior offices, not why he did it. Officers like Yolanda Huet-Vaughn and Ehren Watada, and enlisted men like Michael New all tried to make their reasons for refusing to obey orders part of their trial and they failed in every case. And the investigating officer for his Article 32 hearing said as much in his report when he denied defense requests for any documentation concerning Obama. Lakin will be tried and convicted without Obama being brought into it. And I suspect the Army will throw the book at him as an example to discourage anyone else who might choose to follow his lead. He could well wind up in Leavenworth.

23 posted on 09/02/2010 9:04:50 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: edge919
The orders were issued as part of an overall directive from the White House. Lakin's superiors weren't arbitrarily issuing these orders independent of the CinC's strategy on Afghanistan.

Two of the counts charge that Lakin refused to obey the orders of his superior officer to report to the office of his brigade commander. A third count was refusing to obey the order of a superior officer to report for temporary duty with the 101st. Are you saying Obama originated all those orders? Or that the brigade commander cannot order one of his own officers to report to his office? You, and Lakin, will have a difficult if not impossible time proving that at his court martial.

24 posted on 09/02/2010 9:12:25 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

Lakin refused his orders because they weren’t based on a lawful foundation. If he’s not allowed to make that case, then he’s being denied due process. It’s one thing if the court disagrees with the conclusion of unlwafulness, but it’s a different thing to deny someone a fair trial.


25 posted on 09/02/2010 9:22:08 AM PDT by edge919
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To: Non-Sequitur

I’ve explained pretty clearly that these orders were issued in support of Obama’s Afghanistan campaign. The temporary duty assignments weren’t for routine, day-to-day operations.


26 posted on 09/02/2010 9:25:15 AM PDT by edge919
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To: edge919
Lakin refused his orders because they weren’t based on a lawful foundation. If he’s not allowed to make that case, then he’s being denied due process.

Lakin will get every chance to try and show in court why the orders of Colonel Roberts and Lieutenant Colonel Judd for Lakin to report to his brigade commanader's oficer were unlawful, as well as why the order of Lieutenant Colonel McHugh to report for duty with the 101st was unlawful as well. He doesn't need any documentation on Obama to for that.

27 posted on 09/02/2010 9:32:09 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: edge919
I’ve explained pretty clearly that these orders were issued in support of Obama’s Afghanistan campaign. The temporary duty assignments weren’t for routine, day-to-day operations.

Order to report to his brigade commander were in support of Obama's Afghanistan campaign? You will have a very hard time making that case in court.

28 posted on 09/02/2010 9:33:51 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: sodpoodle

“Maj. Nidal Hasan is treated like a hero while Lt.Col Lakin is treated as a traitor.”

Who is treating Hasan like a hero?


29 posted on 09/02/2010 10:01:33 AM PDT by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Patriot BUMP!


30 posted on 09/02/2010 10:03:51 AM PDT by newfreep (Palin/DeMint 2012 - Bolton: Secy of State)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; SunkenCiv; LucyT; little jeremiah; STARWISE; onyx; Sal

Does anyone know when we’ll hear what happened at this hearing?

Is it a rumor, or is it the truth, that Lakin has been confined to a locked psychiatric ward?


31 posted on 09/02/2010 10:22:39 AM PDT by hennie pennie
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To: Munz; Uncle Chip; seekthetruth; roaddog727; Hoosier-Daddy

Any of you happen to know what happened in court today, and if there is any truth to reports that Lakin has been confined to a locked psych ward????

TIA


32 posted on 09/02/2010 10:28:09 AM PDT by hennie pennie
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To: El Sordo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nidal_Malik_Hasan

Post-shooting
Medical condition
Hasan was initially hospitalized in the intensive care unit at Brooke Army Medical Center at Fort Sam Houston in San Antonio, Texas, under heavy guard,with his condition described as “stable”.News reports on November 7, 2009, indicated that he was in a coma. On November 9, Brooke Army Medical Center spokesman Dewey Mitchell announced that Hasan had regained consciousness, and been able to talk since he was taken off a ventilator on November 7. On November 13, Hasan’s attorney John Galligan announced that Hasan was paralyzed from the waist down, and will likely not walk again. In mid-December, Galligan indicated that Hasan was moved from intensive care to a private hospital room, yet still remained under guard while recovering. Galligan further stated that doctors said Hasan would need at least two months in the hospital to learn “to care for himself.”

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treated like a hero!!!!!


33 posted on 09/02/2010 10:29:11 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair - Man's surrender. Laughter -God's redemption)
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To: rambo316
I pray for Lt. Col. Lakin. our country is being destroyed by this fraud in the white house and all the felons of all political stripes that have taken part in the conspiracy to destroy America. They all should be charged with Treason.

Amen

34 posted on 09/02/2010 10:36:06 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: SonOfDarkSkies; SatinDoll; hennie pennie
This brings to mind Obama's statement the other day that he couldn't walk around with his birth cert plastered to his forehead.

After a statement like that, it is Obama who should have been locked up in a psych ward.

35 posted on 09/02/2010 10:38:53 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: SatinDoll; sodpoodle; bgill; MarMema

Where did you hear that about Dr. Kate stating that Lakin has been locked up & away in a psychiatric ward?

Is it a MILITARY psych ward? Or is it civilian? WHERE is the psych ward, what hospitial, which city/state??

I am very curious if maybe the MILITARY has temporarily “stashed” Lakin somewhere where they believe that no one can assassinate him.

Thank you, Satin Doll!!


36 posted on 09/02/2010 10:39:32 AM PDT by hennie pennie
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To: edge919
The affadavit from Gen. McInerny suggests the foundation of all orders is impacted directly by Obama's lack of eligibility.

Exactly!!!

The military wants this to be about their orders only -- but their orders are meaningless outside of the chain of command which requires a legal CiC.

37 posted on 09/02/2010 10:45:30 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: hennie pennie

http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/09/01/the-usurpathon-goes-to-d-c-to-stop-the-treason/

“SHARON: Is that Margaret Hemenway?

DR. KATE: Yes. She’s terrific. She was on Revolution Radio a little while ago, so this will work. We are outraged that he’s being held in the Psychiatric ward of Walter Reed.

SHARON: Is he still working or has he been admitted to the Psychiatric ward?

DR. KATE: I think he was admitted and held there, and I understand from speaking with Margaret yesterday that he is working. So whether they allow him to go home or require him to work and then stay there, I think it’s outrageous. We will find out what the story is and his status.

SHARON: I did not know this.

DR. KATE: I am outraged. He’s one of our heroes.”


38 posted on 09/02/2010 10:49:51 AM PDT by bgill (K Parliament- how could a young man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: hennie pennie

No news yet.

I’ll post something if I hear


39 posted on 09/02/2010 10:49:57 AM PDT by roaddog727 (It's the Constitution, Stupid!)
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To: roaddog727

Thank you roaddog727!!

I really appreciate it, I was expecting there to be several ongoing threads by NOW.

LOL

Cya later, please ping me, okay?


40 posted on 09/02/2010 10:53:39 AM PDT by hennie pennie
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To: sodpoodle

Ah.

Well, if you say so.


41 posted on 09/02/2010 10:54:21 AM PDT by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: hennie pennie

Will do.

:-)


42 posted on 09/02/2010 10:58:32 AM PDT by roaddog727 (It's the Constitution, Stupid!)
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To: bgill; Nachum; SunkenCiv; nw_arizona_granny

omg.

thank you.

... that means... that Lakin in on “work release” each day from the locked psychiatric ward at Walter Reed, hey?

.... Terrence Lakin is in the GULAG, right?


43 posted on 09/02/2010 10:59:00 AM PDT by hennie pennie
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To: hennie pennie

They’ll never honor the subpeona. The requests for documentation will be quashed, just as they were in other trials.

Prediction- The man will be charged guilty. Discharged dishonorably. The fix is in.


44 posted on 09/02/2010 11:03:24 AM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

OK.

Thanks, Nachum.


45 posted on 09/02/2010 11:08:08 AM PDT by hennie pennie
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To: Sun

*ping*

Freeper roaddog727 said they’ll post what happenned just as soon as they find out, over here in this thread.


46 posted on 09/02/2010 11:12:40 AM PDT by hennie pennie
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To: hennie pennie

You ping me sometimes, hennie pennie, and I appreciate any and all pings about Col. Lakin, thank you.


47 posted on 09/02/2010 11:46:13 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Lakin will get every chance to try and show in court why the orders of Colonel Roberts and Lieutenant Colonel Judd for Lakin to report to his brigade commanader's oficer were unlawful, as well as why the order of Lieutenant Colonel McHugh to report for duty with the 101st was unlawful as well. He doesn't need any documentation on Obama to for that.

Are you even paying attention to what you're writing?? How would you make the case that Obama's orders aren't legitimate if you aren't allowed to pursue or present the documentation that supports your claim??

48 posted on 09/02/2010 11:48:04 AM PDT by edge919
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To: hennie pennie

You ping me sometimes, hennie pennie, and I appreciate any and all pings about Col. Lakin, thank you.


49 posted on 09/02/2010 11:48:38 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Order to report to his brigade commander were in support of Obama's Afghanistan campaign? You will have a very hard time making that case in court.

That particular charge against Lakin is classified under article 92, which says, "General orders or regulations are those orders or regulations generally applicable to an armed force which are properly published by the President or the Secretary of Defense ..." Looks pretty clean to me.

50 posted on 09/02/2010 11:55:34 AM PDT by edge919
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