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Is Intelligence By Association Possible?
The Looking Spoon ^ | 9-3-10 | Jared H. McAndersen

Posted on 09/04/2010 12:19:19 PM PDT by The Looking Spoon

God did not create the universe, world-famous physicist Stephen Hawking argues in a new book that aims to banish a divine creator from physics.

Hawking says in his book "The Grand Design" that, given the existence of gravity, "the universe can and will create itself from nothing," according to an excerpt published Thursday in The Times of London.

"Spontaneous creation is the reason why there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist," he writes in the excerpt.

"It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper [fuse] and set the universe going," he writes.

read the rest via CNN here

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I know hes supposed to be a genius and stuff so I'm afraid of saying something that might make me sound like I'm trying to act more intelligent than THE Steven Hawking...and stuff...but....

Where did the gravity come from? (The black hole in his theory...)

How did absolutely nothing become something?

Did God create gravity? Is there some sort of cosmic loophole that Hawking is desperately trying to find so he can preclude God from eclipsing his own brilliance? What gives?

I didn't come up with this, but even in the bygone (thank God) days when I was less religious (Christian) I lived by the credo "I don't have enough faith to be atheist." As each day passes I do my best to strive toward a life worthy of His glory, and my belief in that line has become inexorably bound to my soul.

I mean no disrespect to Hawking. He is, after all, a Lucasian Professor of Mathematics, a position once held by Sir Issac Newton himself. So nothing about his apparent atheism should actually be questioned since he's so freakin' brilliant...




Why do I suddenly feel my blog has been way too hard on Obama?


The Looking Spoon is a conservative humor/satire/art/commentary blog, visit www.thelookingspoon.com to see more posts and art


TOPICS: Religion
KEYWORDS: atheism; god; stephenhawking; universe

1 posted on 09/04/2010 12:19:22 PM PDT by The Looking Spoon
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To: The Looking Spoon
Hawking says in his book "The Grand Design" that, given the existence of gravity, "the universe can and will create itself from nothing,"

Who created that gravity and established the Laws of Physics?

2 posted on 09/04/2010 12:23:48 PM PDT by Slyfox
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To: Slyfox

This will initiate an endless loop: Who created God?


3 posted on 09/04/2010 12:34:26 PM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: The Looking Spoon
Where did the gravity come from?

That's easy - gravity comes from matter.

You didn't ask where matter comes from.

4 posted on 09/04/2010 12:36:36 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: The Looking Spoon

“Is Intelligence By Association Possible?”

If you believe this, you are hanging around the wrong crowd.


5 posted on 09/04/2010 12:36:38 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: James C. Bennett

God is the essence of the endless loop.


6 posted on 09/04/2010 12:39:14 PM PDT by Slyfox
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To: James C. Bennett

“This will initiate an endless loop: Who created God?”

That question is a no-no. I’ve only asked it a million times. Not really,,,,,,,,,,,,,, only once is enough.


7 posted on 09/04/2010 12:40:54 PM PDT by Allen In Texas Hill Country
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To: The Looking Spoon
Here is my take on the big bang theory. Ok, so the Universe started from a big explosion, but what exploded? There was matter before the explosion and it had to be equal to the matter after the explosion, no matter how condensed the matter was before it went up, it had to be equal to what scattered out after the big bang.

So the question is, where did all that matter come from? Who, or what, brought it into existence? That question is never addressed, and the existence of the matter is simply glossed over.

8 posted on 09/04/2010 12:43:24 PM PDT by calex59
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To: calex59

Actually, you are wrong. Matter is inter-convertible with energy.

Therefore, the Big Bang, at its initial stages would have contained far, far less matter, and far more energy, than later stages.


9 posted on 09/04/2010 12:45:41 PM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: James C. Bennett
"This will initiate an endless loop: Who created God?"

Nobody. That's why He's GOD. He always was. He didn't need a creator.

10 posted on 09/04/2010 12:46:43 PM PDT by redhead (Abortion: The number one killer of human beings. Period.)
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To: calex59
Okay, so here's my simplistic response to your notion:

What existed before the matter was energy, which with the right dimensional twists in spacetime turns into matter as it expands and thus 'cools'. So what kind of energy was this pre-bang stuff? ... The command from The Creator.

11 posted on 09/04/2010 12:50:29 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Dem voters, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when deceived.)
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To: The Looking Spoon

Hawking is probably too old now to push physics forward. It’s usually men in their prime that do, like mental athletes. Can’t imagine he’s doing anything real now. Which makes me think he’s just expressing his opinions.


12 posted on 09/04/2010 12:51:46 PM PDT by November 2010
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To: MHGinTN

The real trick for the nihilists is to show how the infinite contraction prior to the bang turned into expansion. Hawking likes the notion of imaginary time ... might as well be ‘the thought from God’.


13 posted on 09/04/2010 12:52:53 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Dem voters, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when deceived.)
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To: redhead
He always was.

If you rationalise a 0/0 division, any number can be proven to be equal to any other number. This is somewhat like that.

If the said entity has the characteristic of timeless existence, then why is the act of creation trapped in a time-based bubble? What time-based factor influenced the creator to create, from within a period of infinite time, at the particular instance that it did, so to speak?

There's a huge problem with trying to splice together concepts of a time-based reality with a timeless hypothesis.

14 posted on 09/04/2010 12:54:21 PM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: The Looking Spoon

Spontaneous creation, huh? When was the last time we saw a physical law spontaneously show up (or disappear, for that matter)? Mr. Hawkings speaks in conflictese. The universe can pop into being, but there can’t be a God to create it? How does this make sense?


15 posted on 09/04/2010 12:55:29 PM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: James C. Bennett

BS, explosions cannot create matter, only scatter it, or covert it to energy.


16 posted on 09/04/2010 12:56:53 PM PDT by calex59
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To: MHGinTN
You are full of shit. Energy does not convert itself to energy, however the reverse is possible. Which means that the matter available before the big frickin' bang had to equal more than the matter after the bang, because some was turned into energy.

PS, the next time you see energy turned to matter let me know, I would be interested as would most scientist on earth.

17 posted on 09/04/2010 12:59:50 PM PDT by calex59
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To: calex59

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pair_production


18 posted on 09/04/2010 12:59:51 PM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: The Looking Spoon

So we can boil the theory of evolution down to: Sh|t Happens ??


19 posted on 09/04/2010 1:01:21 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (TV News is an oxymoron. MSNBC = Moonbats Spouting Nothing But Crap.)
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To: James C. Bennett

You are using a frickin’ wikipedia example to prove your point? How stupid are you?


20 posted on 09/04/2010 1:07:07 PM PDT by calex59
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To: calex59

Look up ‘Pair Production’, genius, and prepare to apologise:

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/438692/pair-production

“Pair production is a direct conversion of radiant energy to matter. It is one of the principal ways in which high-energy gamma rays are absorbed in matter.”


21 posted on 09/04/2010 1:10:20 PM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: James C. Bennett

No way will I apologize for something so obvious even an idiot could see. Thanks anyway.


22 posted on 09/04/2010 1:20:34 PM PDT by calex59
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To: calex59

“You are full of shit.” Wow, what are you sitting on that makes your butt so sensitive? BTW, if matter were not an energy condensate you could not convert matter into energy.


23 posted on 09/04/2010 1:43:32 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Dem voters, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when deceived.)
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To: calex59

—PS, the next time you see energy turned to matter let me know, I would be interested as would most scientist on earth.—

Pair Production
Spontaneous production of electron and positron from photon of energy >1.02 MEV

Many similar examples...


24 posted on 09/04/2010 2:20:38 PM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: calex59

—PS, the next time you see energy turned to matter let me know, I would be interested as would most scientist on earth.—

Pair Production
Spontaneous production of electron and positron from photon of energy >1.02 MEV

Many similar examples...


25 posted on 09/04/2010 2:20:55 PM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: HangnJudge

That is just horseshit. Show me real matter converted from pure energy.


26 posted on 09/04/2010 2:33:37 PM PDT by calex59
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To: calex59
It is real enough if you work with radiation detection equipment. Any field with a photon flux including photons >1.02 MeV will have secondary photons of 0.511 mev from positron/electron annihilation events

I guess it just depends on your definition of "real". (masters science -Applied Nuclear Science -1978 - Ga. Tech)

27 posted on 09/04/2010 2:49:48 PM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: The Looking Spoon

There are loads of people who have fantastic intelligence in some areas and are complete idiots about other matters.

Ever read any of Einstein’s musings about God? He writes like a second-grader.

Hawking simply has no clue when it comes to metaphysical thinking. Considering that he’s English, this is no surprise at all. The English have traditionally dismissed metaphysics as something for fanatical Frenchmen, Spaniards, and Irishmen.


28 posted on 09/04/2010 4:57:54 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy's America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
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29 posted on 09/06/2010 6:13:49 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
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