Posted on 09/07/2010 12:43:35 PM PDT by gjmerits
The Gettysburg speech was at once the shortest and the most famous oration in American history...the highest emotion reduced to a few poetical phrases. Lincoln himself never even remotely approached it. It is genuinely stupendous. But let us not forget that it is poetry, not logic; beauty, not sense. Think of the argument in it. Put it into the cold words of everyday. The doctrine is simply this: that the Union soldiers who died at Gettysburg sacrificed their lives to the cause of self-determination - that government of the people, by the people, for the people, should not perish from the earth. It is difficult to imagine anything more untrue. The Union soldiers in the battle actually fought against self-determination; it was the Confederates who fought for the right of their people to govern themselves.
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I guess when Shermans boys burnt slave quarters, left them homeless and without food; oh I almost forgot- raped black women, it was for their own good.
By instigators of the war, I mean this:
Lincoln was in the process of withdrawing the Union Army from multiple bases in the Deep South to merely Charleston, which possessed even after that move a mere 80 men. This was an unprecedented act: the yielding of national control to rebel-controlled states. And it was entirely consistent with his promise not to get involved in the slavery issue within the Confederate states.
There were no efforts at all to negotiate a withdrawal of the Confederate states, or more preferable conditions to remain in the union. In fact, the first states had seceded before Lincoln was even inaugurated. Nor had any demands been issued for the obvious issue of federally owned property in the Confederacy; rather the Confederacy merely seized all holdings.
Thanks, we're all slaves now. What a great Union. What is the effective tax rate now 60%? where do most liberals live? YankeeLand and CA. What a legacy. Must be so proud.
I with the Conservative, Abraham Lincoln.
They did not start an army from scratch. Many of the Confederate officers went to West Point. The Confederate Army mostly US Army units that changed flags. They had already been trained and armed by the US.
Talking to yourself?
Materially, they started from scratch.
Very proud.
Uh. wow. Talk about not understanding. Lincoln was asserting that should the union not be preserved, the divided country could not survive... the same argument made by the founding fathers when they chose the Gadsden (”teaparty”) flag: United We Stand, Divided We Fall.””
This was when we faced a common enemy, the British Empire.
What!? Let's call it what it was, shall we? Lincoln, and his pals, the 48ers destroyed any hope in American that Government is in trust, not a right. In a nutshell, Lincoln handed victory back to King George III.
Damn it's getting deep in here.
Of what?
...or what the British said when telling the Colonies they couldn’t leave to govern themselves.
Not to worry. We have a faith and a rooted culture. They have “urban values”. Don’t waste your pearls.
Actually every one of these threads should start with an apology from Northern Freepers to the Southern Freepers.
Fellow Conservative,
I apologize for the North and it's legacy of forcing our Southern Conservatives back into this inglorious Union which has show itself to be a Federal juggernaut forcing progressivism and socialism down the throats of a great Southern people that wanted to be free. For this, I am deeply sorry"
- signed a repentent Neo Yankee
Our founders did not force a union. Lincoln was a tyrant, and the forerunner of men like Hussein.
L.O.L!
Careful, Glenn Beck may be reading this thread!
Because it undercuts revisionism that is being promoted by the poster. Such as these two statements by “politicians” having nothing to do with the facts. Pure revisionism.
I don’t think we can put this all on Lincoln, but he certainly accelerated the process. I am from Missouri and my Dad always argued with his sister, my aunt, that Lincoln was the worst president ever for the lives he cost on both sides. God rest their souls.
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