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Arizona Rancher forced to pay $73,000 to illegal immigrants for "holding them" for ICE !!!
YouTube ^ | September 12th, 2010 | Drinking with Me and Bob

Posted on 09/17/2010 4:31:28 AM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009

... remember the San Francisco cabbie who got sued for chasing down a criminal in his cab -- and instead of being called a good Samaritan, lost in court? Well, here it is again. And Arizona rancher got fed up that is land was being invaded by illegals, so he set up surveillance cameras and caught a big group of them, and held them for immigration and turn them over to immigration -- so, of course, this being America, he was sued by the immigrants because he was so mean to them and yes, they won in court and he lost.

Amazing. The Fall the Republic.... the end of America as we know it.


TOPICS: Agriculture; Government; Outdoors; Politics
KEYWORDS: aliens; arizona; illegal; immigrants; obama
The title kind of says it all -- Arizona rancher sued by the legal immigrants that he caught on his own land, and subsequently the rancher lost in court, and was forced to pay these fine wonderful people $73,000.

What do you think?

Justice done? Decision of the court should stand? The Department of Justice's immigration services should do their job?

Catching illegal immigrants on your own land is now an offense, something you can get sued for?

Does it remind you of the Navy Seal case?

1 posted on 09/17/2010 4:31:32 AM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

View Bob’s rant here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUCRcW5i8L8&NR=1


2 posted on 09/17/2010 4:32:10 AM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

What can they do if he doesn’t pay?


3 posted on 09/17/2010 4:33:02 AM PDT by UncleHambone ("Laughter is America's most important export." - Walt Disney)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009
Its come to the point where land owners near the border will need to wall off their land and patrol it with armed guards and dogs.

Once these illegals are on your land now they can use your property anyway they see fit and you will be fined or jailed if you try to expel them.

Welcome to the Obamanation!

4 posted on 09/17/2010 4:35:48 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the next one...)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009
This is more a problem with Arizona law.

In Arizona, you can perform a citizen's arrest if you witness a probable felony. Simple trespass is not a felony - they have to be engaged in defiant trespass if they refuse to leave, or if they are breaking into a building.

And being here illegally is not a de facto felony either - you have to be here after a previous deportation for it to rise to a felony, and you have no way in looking at a group of illegals if they have been here already.

5 posted on 09/17/2010 4:37:22 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: UncleHambone
"What can they do if he doesn’t pay?"

Its a court so they can force him to do so by court order, if he refuses he can be jailed and his assets can be seized if the court wishes to pursue it.

And, I'll bet a nice shiny silver dollar there is enough pro illegals in the court system to "make an example" of someone like this poor rancher who tried to do the job our government refuses to do!

6 posted on 09/17/2010 4:40:20 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the next one...)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009
Today, September 17, 2010, is Constitution Day.


7 posted on 09/17/2010 4:41:06 AM PDT by Diogenesis ('Freedom is the right of all sentient beings.' - Optimus Prime)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

“What do you think?”

America is going to hell in a hand basket.
Thank god I am retired and no longer have to live there.
God bless those of you that can not get out of the USSA.


8 posted on 09/17/2010 4:41:10 AM PDT by AlexW
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To: dirtboy

Our whole country should be ashamed that the owners of these near the border land plots need to become their own law enforcement. In my NH town folks would go bonkers if there were three BE’s in a month, extra patrols would be ordered, police budgets would go up, pols would run on an anti-crime platform. This is an abomination. Iran catches two drifters, immediately imprisons them and we’re all waiting for news of a beheading. And then this happens in our own country. AZ needs to go rogue, a lot more drastic than just a senate bill. Obama’s worried about mid-east peace ? How about Tuscon peace.


9 posted on 09/17/2010 4:44:09 AM PDT by major-pelham
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

Well at least we are not racist! /s


10 posted on 09/17/2010 4:45:15 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

Can’t this be appealed?

This is nuts!


11 posted on 09/17/2010 4:47:30 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: TSgt

Just agreeing.


14 posted on 09/17/2010 4:53:45 AM PDT by Gadsden1st
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

Gomer Pyle can no longer say “citizen arrest”?


15 posted on 09/17/2010 4:54:48 AM PDT by Notasoccermom
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To: dirtboy

Wow

Thanks for the info.


19 posted on 09/17/2010 5:14:24 AM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: dirtboy

Simple trespass is not a felony...


Nearly any country I can think of, or have been in, illegally entering would be a major felony (Mexico comes to mind) and 10 years in jail.

So illegally entering America is a misdemeanor ????????

I would bet we are the only country in the world where this is true !!!


21 posted on 09/17/2010 5:16:40 AM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: Diogenesis

Good one.


22 posted on 09/17/2010 5:27:19 AM PDT by NH Red
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009; dirtboy
He needed to "post" his property but like so many folks with huge chunks of acreage just didn't do it ~ still an appeals court will probably let him off the hook and assign costs to the illegals.

Lotsa' luck to the court collecting on that!

23 posted on 09/17/2010 5:30:36 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: nmh

From the LA Times POS paper:

Mixed verdict for rancher in migrant case

Roger Barnett of Arizona must pay $73,000 to four immigrants after holding them at gunpoint, a jury finds, but he’s cleared of violating their civil rights.

February 20, 2009|Nicholas Riccardi

DENVER — A federal jury this week found that an Arizona rancher who has complained about illegal immigrants trespassing and trashing his border property has to pay four women $73,000 after he detained them and other migrants at gunpoint.

In a verdict Tuesday afternoon, the jury in Tucson found that Roger Barnett did not violate the women’s civil rights but was liable for four claims of assault and infliction of emotional distress.


24 posted on 09/17/2010 5:31:16 AM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009
We are not talking about entry into the country, but entry onto someone's property. One of the reasons the Latinos love those garden walls is their standard is your yard is not your own unless you assert a right to it WITH A WALL!

Obviously that system changes as they cross the US/Mexican border, but whadda' they know.

The Arizona courts should change their own standards to reflect this reality and begin making examples of Mexican visitors who stray onto private property ~

25 posted on 09/17/2010 5:33:41 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

“on his own land”
That’s the problem. The left doesn’t want you to own land. They hate private property. They want the “oppressed” to just walk in and take whatever they want from you, the evil “oppressor” who worked hard and honestly all his life.
Just more redistribution of income.

Private property - an illusion wherever democrats are in power.


26 posted on 09/17/2010 5:38:51 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (Annoying liberals is my goal. I will not be silenced.)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

Soon it will be a crime to be American.


27 posted on 09/17/2010 5:53:12 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

Who gave illegals the right to use US courts to litigate?


29 posted on 09/17/2010 5:56:24 AM PDT by Sarajevo (You're jealous because the voices only talk to me.)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

Who gave illegals the right to use US courts to litigate?


30 posted on 09/17/2010 5:56:31 AM PDT by Sarajevo (You're jealous because the voices only talk to me.)
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To: AlexW

Where are you? Why did you choose your location? I am thinking about my exit strategy.


31 posted on 09/17/2010 6:18:01 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: UncleHambone
What can they do if he doesn’t pay?

Seize his ranch?

32 posted on 09/17/2010 6:31:43 AM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: major-pelham

Well, I am ashamed, at what the government has done to Arizona — and yes indeed, the country should be ashamed — perhaps it is.

The newspapers are controlled, the magazines are all controlled by the same group of people, the same way the evening news is controlled, I think most of America will never even hear of all this — sad to say.

But I tell you how AZ can get its revenge — Pass a law right now saying that every candidate for president has to produce his original longform birth certificate— and then let’s see what happens.


33 posted on 09/17/2010 6:39:57 AM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged

This explains it ...

Dr. John C. Drew, PhD, met Obama in 1980 and had long discussions with him about a faith they both shared: Marxism.

Drew says that Obama was in complete 100% agreement with his Marxist college professors who wanted a revolution in this country to overturn the power structure. He was consumed with the notion of wealth redistribution & more affirmative action programs to bring about less inequality and more income equality.

He had kind things to say about the Soviet Union (like Alice Palmer his mentor) S.U. was a better model than the USA !!!

He and Chandoo drove around together in a BMW. They looked like a wealthy gay couple. Looked like “multi-millionaires”. Chandoo went to the Ramadan dinner at the WH last year but “doesn’t remember meeting Obama” until a photo of them shaking hands was produced.

* Frank Marshall Davis
* Flag-stomping Bill Ayers
* Alice Palmer (Barry was chief of staff to this Chicago Communist)

“My most vivid memory was in how insistent he was in arguing a Marxist-Leninist point of view.”

He insisted a real revolution was coming ... and then Marxist-Leninists would be on top !!!”

“He definitely saw America as the enemy”.

“The ruling elite had rigged our economic system to cause people to be poor, had unfairly taken all the money and that America needed ‘Redistribution of Wealth” to make matters fair”.

Dr. Drew was the founder of the Anti-Apartheid Union and the student Marxist Students Association in 1976 at Occidental College, (but has later changed his (Drew’s) views.)

Dr. Drew explains in one minute on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBGBszZ2Qw0&feature=related

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/5257893-dr-john-c-drew-and-barack-obama-the-chance-encounter-at-occidental-college


34 posted on 09/17/2010 6:43:50 AM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009
Who the hell was on that jury???? The Plaintiffs? The over whelming ignorance of people in this country is disgusting. Where in the hell does this make sense?
35 posted on 09/17/2010 7:22:22 AM PDT by JayAr36
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

I wonder what the “jury” was made up with?


36 posted on 09/17/2010 7:22:48 AM PDT by mickie
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009
Ah, so this was a federal civil rights decision. Probably making a claim of racism due to violation of Arizona citizens arrest statutes.

So the fedgov won't do it's job, but will allow the federal court system to be used against someone trying to deal with the ramifications of such.

37 posted on 09/17/2010 7:35:35 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: muawiyah
Even if it is posted, there are varying levels of trespass.

Typically it is a misdemeanor to be on posted property. It rises to a felony if you stay there after being told to leave (defiant trespass), or if there is another crime involved, such as breaking into an outbuilding.

The problem here is detaining someone after simple trespass - he can confront them and ask them to leave, and if they oblige and start walking for the property border, that means the trespass remains at the misdemeanor level.

This is why the Minutemen were smart to just observe, not detain.

38 posted on 09/17/2010 7:45:20 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

How can the illegals sue him? Is it our justice department suing him? If they are illegals how do they have right to sue him? Sounds irrational to me. We used to have to leave our hunting lease cabin doors unlocked and leave out water and bread for wetbacks or else they would break into and tear everything apart. We learned that after awhile they would not tear stuff up if we just left them food and water. One time I was hunting and a group of six wetbacks walked out in front of my blind about 200 yards away. It freaked me out a little I won’t lie. In this case though the rancher should be awarded $73,000 for all the damages in property that were averted.


39 posted on 09/19/2010 6:34:45 PM PDT by 3rdcoastislander
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