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To: egannacht

“Can we stop saying wiccans (or any group) are not violent like Islamic terrorists? It is illogical. It’s similar to the rantings of the dead atheist Bill Hicks saying, “Last I checked drug addicts aren’t violent like Christians” which is an equally absurd statement. And equally uncomfortably boring, like an entire Hick’s comedy set.

Little history. Hitler and the Nazis were obsessed with wiccan rituals, runes, witchcraft, and the occult. SS night festivals centered around a peculiar form of rituals that supposedly gave them superhuman powers. Last I checked Hitler and the Nazis managed to hate, kill, torture, enslave over 10 million for about 12 years. I think they even had time to fly a few bombs into buildings while they were playing warlock.”

I don’t disagree with your larger point regarding the double standard. But I think your supporting argument is a bit too extended. I think witchcraft, the occult, etc. is beyond goofy (and obviously deeply troubling if it leads to violence), but to imply that it was ‘warlock’ motivating their actions, while leaving out the obvious...?

I could name a ton of practices- out of context- and imply that they played a important role in Nazi Germany: Hitler’s vegetarianism, his anti-smoking beliefs, the fact that he turned a blind eye initially to the homosexuals that led the SA, etc.. Heck, the Nazis even adopted a symbol that was used by certain Native American tribes (who may have practiced scalping)...

None of these practices or symbols out of context of course created the underlying root of anti-Semitism. It may be near impossible to separate the horrible emotional impact of these symbols and practices from what happened- the same way that it’s difficult to listen to “Helter Skelter” without immediately thinking of the Manson murders. But the fact that something is co-opted and perverted by sick minds to attempt to justify or further mass murder, doesn’t mean that a practice, symbol, or song has a negative connotation in a vacuum. (As for somebody going around using Swastikas or playing Helter Skelter *now* after the fact...well, that’s a completely different situation, of course.)

And I think we could agree that the Nazis had a lot more in common with Islamic Jihad than 1600’s American witchcraft practices...


24 posted on 09/19/2010 11:33:25 AM PDT by Qbert
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To: Qbert

I think we’ve covered the main point of the elites wishing to destroy O’ Donnell’s reputation.


25 posted on 09/19/2010 11:40:07 AM PDT by egannacht (Inalienable rights granted by...)
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