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Harry Reid Votes "NO" on Cloture to Bring up Dream Act and Don't Ask, Don't Tell - Video
Freedom's Lighthouse ^ | September 21, 2010 | Brian

Posted on 09/21/2010 1:21:02 PM PDT by Federalist Patriot

Here is video of Democrat Sens. Blanche Lincoln and Harry Reid voting “no” on the cloture vote to bring up the Defense Authorization Bill, which included amendments on getting rid of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell,” and proposing passage of the “Dream Act.”

Reid was pushing for adoption of the bill and the amendments, but if you watch the video, you will see Blanche Lincoln enter the screen at the top right. She indicates her vote “no” on bringing up the bill. She then walks around to Harry Reid and pats him on the back while saying something to him. Then, notice that Reid walks back to his desk, faces the clerk and votes “no” on the bill!!!! The video then shows Reid’s sanctimoniuous comments later in which he slams Republicans for opposing the bill – when he voted against it himself!!!!

This just shows what a crass, political animal Harry Reid is. He knows he will get credit among Hispanics for his public comments pushing the Dream Act, but at the end he votes against the bill so he is officially on record opposing it. He hopes to get support and votes from both sides by his actions.

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TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: blanchelincoln; harryreid

1 posted on 09/21/2010 1:21:06 PM PDT by Federalist Patriot
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To: Federalist Patriot
Reid probably immediately "Moved to Reconsider," and he has to be on the "winning" side (in this case, the "NO" votes won) in order to make a motion to reconsider.

Not to say he isn't crass, but this move against expressed interest is simple parliamentary procedure.

2 posted on 09/21/2010 1:23:33 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Federalist Patriot
I believe that under Senate rules, by voting no Reid retains the right to re-introduce the bill. Otherwise it would be dead. He will reintroduce it after the elections during the lame duck session.
3 posted on 09/21/2010 1:24:11 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Federalist Patriot

It’s a procedural thing. If Reid votes “No” on cloture, as majority leader, he can bring the bill back up again for another try. If he had voted “Yes”, he couldn’t bring the bill back up. Thus, his “No”, was fake, so he can try to bring this up again. People who don’t know how the Senate works shouldn’t be writing blogs on stuff like this, as it makes our side look ignorant.


4 posted on 09/21/2010 1:24:24 PM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: Federalist Patriot

Well, when you’re pandering to a double-digit-IQ audience, you can get away with such stuff.


5 posted on 09/21/2010 1:24:32 PM PDT by ComputerGuy (HM2/USN M/3/3 Marines RVN '66-'67)
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To: Federalist Patriot
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6 posted on 09/21/2010 1:24:36 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: Cboldt

Yeah, I thought that was the reason but I wasn’t sure.


7 posted on 09/21/2010 1:24:54 PM PDT by PeachyKeen
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To: Federalist Patriot

Boozman, Lincoln’s Republican opponent, should have this charming little clip in a campaign ad pronto. Lincoln and Reid, conspiring on how to get gays into the military and give amnesty to illegals....bet that will warm the cockles of Arkansans hearts.


8 posted on 09/21/2010 1:26:07 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: hinckley buzzard

Oh, I see. I was not aware of that he had to be on the winning side.

He’s still a crass political animal! The whole thing was designed to get votes from hispanics and to get him support from the Democrat base in November.

But thanks for the clarification. I stand corrected.


9 posted on 09/21/2010 1:26:34 PM PDT by Federalist Patriot
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To: Federalist Patriot

Harry is afraid of being retired.


10 posted on 09/21/2010 1:26:39 PM PDT by bmwcyle (It is Satan's fault)
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To: Federalist Patriot

Blanche Lincoln knows she has but a short time left as a Senator and she’ll be history. It can’t happen soon enough.


11 posted on 09/21/2010 1:27:05 PM PDT by OB1kNOb (When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; When a wicked man rules, the people groan.)
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To: Federalist Patriot

Is there a roll call?


12 posted on 09/21/2010 1:27:40 PM PDT by avacado
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To: Federalist Patriot

It’s true he voted no!

ROLL CALL:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=111&session=2&vote=00238#position


13 posted on 09/21/2010 1:29:49 PM PDT by avacado
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To: OB1kNOb; kittymyrib

Two months and Blanche will get the message she so richly deserves: You’re Fired!!


14 posted on 09/21/2010 1:32:28 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Even the earth is bipolar.)
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To: Federalist Patriot

One of the main changes we need with the new Congress (coming) to to no longer allow many extraneous bills to be combined with other important bills. It’s high time that they have to vote for the bills stand-a-lone on it’s merits. Actually, all bill of any importance need to stand on their own and allow an up or down vote... Let the people have their say - no more pretensions.

Just another thing that has to be included in the upcoming changes...


15 posted on 09/21/2010 1:33:22 PM PDT by Deagle
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To: hinckley buzzard
-- I believe that under Senate rules, by voting no Reid retains the right to re-introduce the bill. Otherwise it would be dead. --

That's not so. A failed cloture vote does not preclude bringing another cloture motion up on the same exact point. What failed to pass today was a cloture motion, and there is no limit on introducing cloture motions. A cloture motion proposed to limit debate. When a cloture motion fails, all it means is debate on the underlying point continues, until either there is no objection to voting, or 60 Senators force voting by first passing a cloture motion to limit debate.

16 posted on 09/21/2010 1:34:34 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Federalist Patriot

Lincoln, Prior and Reid were no votes. All R’s were no votes, except Murkowski who did not vote.


17 posted on 09/21/2010 1:36:50 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: freedomwarrior998
-- If he had voted "Yes", he couldn't bring the bill back up. Thus, his "No", was fake, so he can try to bring this up again. People who don't know how the Senate works shouldn't be writing blogs on stuff like this ... --

See my above as to the fact that there is no limit to cloture motions. Reid could have voted yes, the cloture motion could have failed, and he could have filed another cloture motion. Failed cloture does not kill the underlying item, it leaves it open for continued debate.

18 posted on 09/21/2010 1:37:13 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

Look at the Senate Rules, Reid had to vote this way if he wanted to bring the motion back up.


19 posted on 09/21/2010 1:46:22 PM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: avacado

Not unbelievable considering the damage he’s done to the country. Yet this guy managed to get the NRA’s approval in NV isn;t something to sneeze at.


20 posted on 09/21/2010 1:47:23 PM PDT by max americana (Hoax and Chains, Dopeychangey)
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To: Federalist Patriot

Why is everyone playing up the Harry Reid voted no? BEcause he did that, SO HE CAN BRING IT UP LATER!

Not because he’s was against it. Geesh people.


21 posted on 09/21/2010 1:53:27 PM PDT by Freddd (CNN is down to Three Hundred Thousand viewers. But they worked for it.)
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To: freedomwarrior998
-- Look at the Senate Rules, Reid had to vote this way if he wanted to bring the motion back up. --

I know this set of Senate rules (motion to reconsider, cloture) like the back of my hand. You are right, if he wanted to bring THIS cloture vote back up, he has to move to reconsider. But he could have let this cloture motion fail, let debate go on for some unspecified amount of time (2 minutes, 2 days, 2 weeks), then filed ANOTHER cloture motion, on the motion to proceed to the consideration of the very same bill.

Frist did this "multiple cloture motions on the same underlying vote" many times with judicial nominees; and the GOP had a series of 8 cloture motions entered and failed, plus 2 or 3 entered and withdrawn, ALL on a motion to proceed to the consideration of a bill to fund investigation into Whitewater.

A failed cloture motion does not kill the underlying bill, it leaves it open for more debate.

22 posted on 09/21/2010 1:54:57 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

Interesting, Choldt. I didn’t know he had to vote “no,” which is why his doing so struck me as a crass political move, as it was for Blanche Lincoln to do so. Several seem to be sure he had to vote “no” to be able to bring it back up. But you seem to be sure that is not the case. Thanks for your input.


23 posted on 09/21/2010 2:07:34 PM PDT by Federalist Patriot
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To: Federalist Patriot
-- Several seem to be sure he had to vote "no" to be able to bring it back up. But you seem to be sure that is not the case. --

Cloture is unique in this regard, where, on failure, there are two equally useful paths to keep going. One path is to move to reconsider the failed cloture motion. Fine. The underlying issue, and the exact same cloture motion, are both alive. At some point, there can be a revote on the failed cloture motion.

In the alternative, just let the cloture motion fail. The underlying issue (in this case, a motion to proceed to the defense bill) is still alive. Failing cloture NEVER kills the underlying issue. At some point, the proponent files another cloture motion. Heck, Reid could do that (file a second cloture motion) even with the first cloture motion hanging out there "to be reconsidered."

Now, if the vote had been on say, passing an amendment or passing a bill, and the majority voted NO on passage, THEN a motion to reconsider has the effect of preserving the issue. There is not (supposed to be) an unlimited number of times to vote on an underlying substantive point. But cloture is in the nature of "shall we conclude debate and get to the vote?" and that question can be asked as many times as it takes.

I have no idea why Reid uses motion to reconsider on cloture. He has another procedural quirk when he "fills the amendment tree."

24 posted on 09/21/2010 2:23:33 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: freedomwarrior998

It’s a procedural thing. If Reid votes “No” on cloture, as majority leader, he can bring the bill back up again for another try.

Let’s hope his constituents make him an ordinary citizen before he can do this.


25 posted on 09/21/2010 2:34:42 PM PDT by Bitsy
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To: Federalist Patriot

Thank God for Scott Brown. Both of these bills would have passed had Brown not achieved his upset in Massachusetts.


26 posted on 09/21/2010 3:00:57 PM PDT by chuckee
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for later


27 posted on 09/21/2010 3:45:32 PM PDT by Gipper08 (a real conservative for Congress... travishankins.com)
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To: chuckee

Yes, he has frustrated us with some of his votes, but having him in the Senate has made the Democrat job much tougher.


28 posted on 09/21/2010 4:02:41 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (When the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn (Pr.29:2))
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To: kittymyrib

Blanche Meyers Lambert Lincoln has been caught with her dainty hands in the cookie jar several times lately.


29 posted on 09/23/2010 5:20:21 AM PDT by seemoAR
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