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The Great Birth Index Fiasco
http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2010/09/22/the-great-birth-index-fiasco/ ^ | 09-22-10 | Butterdezillion

Posted on 09/22/2010 11:52:14 AM PDT by butterdezillion

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To: LorenC
There's certainly a secondary light source in that photo - enough to cause the photographer's arm to cast a shadow through the middle of the document (talk about an idiot photographer). She or he should have noticed her shadow prior to taking the photo and moved into a better position.

It's also strange that the person holding the document is not holding up straight for the photographer, but at angle, to the photographer's right. This would suggest that someone else behind this photographer may have been taking a picture at the same time. That person's camera flash could have fired and caused the shadow. Flash tends to cause hard shadows like this more than sunlight does. If this were sunlight, especially from behind you, you would expect the rest of the room to have a little more natural light.

151 posted on 09/24/2010 7:57:53 AM PDT by edge919
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To: Danae

Before he became president, Lingle was not supportive or friendly towards Odumbo. In fact she insinuated some things in an interview. She said that nobody in Hawaii had ever heard of him and that he only went to school there for a couple of years, something like that. I’ll have to find the interview.


152 posted on 09/24/2010 9:37:42 AM PDT by mojitojoe ("Ridicule is man's most potent weapon" Saul Alinsky... I will take Odungo's mentors advice)
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To: Danae

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2110625/posts


153 posted on 09/24/2010 9:54:48 AM PDT by mojitojoe ("Ridicule is man's most potent weapon" Saul Alinsky... I will take Odungo's mentors advice)
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To: butterdezillion

All I gave them for my name was “Nellie”. They have my contact information because it is the name on my e-mail account. Because their e-mailing program reveals the name on the account they were able to get my last name. I did not give them that. They extracted it by virtue of me having an e-mail address.
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Why would you use your real name for an email address. I have several email addresses and they all have fake names on them.


154 posted on 09/24/2010 9:57:46 AM PDT by mojitojoe ("Ridicule is man's most potent weapon" Saul Alinsky... I will take Odungo's mentors advice)
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To: LorenC

Private investigators have been in Hawaii off and on for well over a year. The evidence they have gotten will never be seen here on FR or anywhere else on the internet. You have no idea what they have, who else has it and when it will be used.


155 posted on 09/24/2010 10:03:09 AM PDT by mojitojoe ("Ridicule is man's most potent weapon" Saul Alinsky... I will take Odungo's mentors advice)
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To: humblegunner

BS!! Total BS. Not all birthers are members of the Orly fan club. I can assure you of that.


156 posted on 09/24/2010 10:07:17 AM PDT by mojitojoe ("Ridicule is man's most potent weapon" Saul Alinsky... I will take Odungo's mentors advice)
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To: Danae

Not me, I wouldn’t bet on the fact that he didn’t. After all, she is a Democrat.


157 posted on 09/24/2010 10:08:36 AM PDT by mojitojoe ("Ridicule is man's most potent weapon" Saul Alinsky... I will take Odungo's mentors advice)
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To: butterdezillion

First of all, you should use a fake name when you set up an email address. Something like Ricky Ricardo or Whatsit Toyou.


158 posted on 09/24/2010 10:13:02 AM PDT by mojitojoe ("Ridicule is man's most potent weapon" Saul Alinsky... I will take Odungo's mentors advice)
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To: butterdezillion

Loren does it because he is a huge Obongo supporter.


159 posted on 09/24/2010 10:14:31 AM PDT by mojitojoe ("Ridicule is man's most potent weapon" Saul Alinsky... I will take Odungo's mentors advice)
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To: butterdezillion

You couldn’t pay me to use Outlook Express for my emails. Get a damn secure email account. Hushmail is free. Use it and use the encryption.


160 posted on 09/24/2010 10:16:55 AM PDT by mojitojoe ("Ridicule is man's most potent weapon" Saul Alinsky... I will take Odungo's mentors advice)
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To: butterdezillion

LorenC, the anonymous poster.
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He’s not anonymous, everyone knows who he is and has seen his photo. total geek.


161 posted on 09/24/2010 10:18:50 AM PDT by mojitojoe ("Ridicule is man's most potent weapon" Saul Alinsky... I will take Odungo's mentors advice)
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To: bluecat6; LucyT; Beckwith

:)


162 posted on 09/24/2010 10:22:11 AM PDT by mojitojoe ("Ridicule is man's most potent weapon" Saul Alinsky... I will take Odungo's mentors advice)
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To: butterdezillion

As a point of reference...has anyone ever requested and received the list from other years? Say, the 1960 and/or the 1962.

Sure would be interesting if people requested and received the two years surrounding the target year...would raise some more questions.

Just a thought to ponder....


163 posted on 09/24/2010 10:25:25 AM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: butterdezillion

As a point of reference...has anyone ever requested and received the list from other years? Say, the 1960 and/or the 1962.

Sure would be interesting if people requested and received the two years surrounding the target year...would raise some more questions.

Just a thought to ponder....


164 posted on 09/24/2010 10:25:39 AM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: mojitojoe

So my family can know when they get a message from me.

I know, it seems stupid in retrospect. I guess I’ll chalk it up to a learning experience.


165 posted on 09/24/2010 10:29:46 AM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: butterdezillion

??? Can’t they tell who you are simply by your email address? I’ve never put my real name on any email account and all of my family knows when they get an email from me. They know my email addresses, they don’t need a name. I also tell people to NOT put my full name beside my email address in their address book. I don’t want my name showing up in headers beside my email address.
When I put someones email address into my address book, out of courtesy, I never use their full name. Just enough info for me to know who it is.


166 posted on 09/24/2010 10:33:29 AM PDT by mojitojoe ("Ridicule is man's most potent weapon" Saul Alinsky... I will take Odungo's mentors advice)
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To: Danae

In the CDC Natality Report for 1961, at http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/vsus/vsus_1961_1.pdf , on p 205 it gives a breakdown of births by attendant.

Total births in Hawaii - 17,616
Physician in hospital - 17,516
Physician not in hospital 58
Midwife 0

So there were apparently 42 unattended births in Hawaii in 1961.

On p. 205 it lists


167 posted on 09/24/2010 10:56:10 AM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: SoftballMominVA

Rather than having it appear that they treat Obama’s records differently, they just don’t follow the rules on any of the requests.

That’s why they won’t release any non-certified abbreviated certificates of any kind, for any person, even though their Administrative Rules allow them to be released to anybody who asks for them. And UIPA requires that whatever may be released, must be released. The Ombudsman’s Office indirectly affirmed that this is the case and that if I wanted UIPA to be followed I should appeal to the OIP. But the OIP responded by saying that the HDOH gets to decide what the laws mean.

Get that - not the attorneys in the OIP Office or the attorneys in the Attorney General’s office. The HDOH (i.e. Fukino and Okubo, who are a doctor and a secretary). They get to decide what HRS 338 means and the OIP will not make judgments on whether they are actually following UIPA - which is the only reason the OIP even exists (to make sure that departments obey UIPA).

And it’s the same with other stuff. You can’t get a letter of verification, for instance, even though it’s in their rules. Okubo told me flat-out that they don’t do letters of verification. I can’t remember if I asked her whether they changed the law somehow, because HRS 338-18 mentions letters of verification, IIRC.

Basically the long and short of it is that they are breaking almost all of the rules to hide Obama’s records and to try to hide that they are changing rules for Obama’s sake.

In the P&E article, the researcher who visited the HDOH Office said that a woman in front of her in line ordered a long-form BC and was told it would arrive in the mail in about a week. Yet we’ve heard Danae’s account of how they have lost her order twice (IIRC) and are still delaying.

What it comes down to is this: they trust the people in Hawaii and will follow the rules just as always for them. They don’t trust anybody outside of Hawaii and they will sandbag and gaslight them in every way they can, because they are convinced that everything is about Obama and they can’t have anybody find out how things really are in their office.

Is that discrimination? Heck, yes.


168 posted on 09/24/2010 11:06:23 AM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: mojitojoe

Good counsel. Thank you.


169 posted on 09/24/2010 11:07:12 AM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: mojitojoe

I didn’t set up the account, had no idea until yesterday how to change any of the settings on the account. When my husband set up the account he had no idea I would be getting embroiled in this.

We were young, we were innocent. Now we’re old and less stupid.


170 posted on 09/24/2010 11:09:25 AM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: mojitojoe; butterdezillion
First of all, you should use a fake name when you set up an email address. Something like Ricky Ricardo or Whatsit Toyou.

For sure. For instance, butterdezillion would do fine as a fake name.

As long as you never connect it with your real name. Because, if you do, Google might make the connection and Wolfram might notice that your phone number is a multiple of 59.

171 posted on 09/24/2010 11:17:29 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Danae

You omitted how the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands changed the rules to cover for Obama’s COLB.

http://www.theobamafile.com/_opinion/HawaiianConspiracy.htm


172 posted on 09/24/2010 11:58:35 AM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: humblegunner
I don’t, however, expect anyone short of God to be able to DO anything about it.

Then why are you playing pain-in-the-ass in this thread?

And about that "humble" monicker -- ha! -- you have no concept of the word.

173 posted on 09/24/2010 12:03:35 PM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: Beckwith

Not agreeing with your pet conspiracy theory is being a pain in the ass?

Pardon me all to hell for having an opinion.


174 posted on 09/24/2010 12:10:39 PM PDT by humblegunner (Pablo is very wily)
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To: Beckwith

Hi Beckwith! Good to see you!

I had posted about it at some length earlier up in the thread. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2594341/posts?page=62#62

Obama is merely taking advantage of his knowledge of Hawaii’s fraud. That is his leverage, and Hawaii REALLY doesn’t want it exposed. Here is the post in case ya don’t want to go to #62. I think its worth repeating:

To: humblegunner

Humblegunner,

The long and short of it is this.

Hawaii is covering up Citizenship and welfare fraud on a HUGE scale.

Obama got his COLB most likely the same way thousands of other babies did who were actually born somewhere OTHER than Hawaii. A late birth form filed with an address listed as the place of birth.

Now, because of THAT, Obama CANNOT prove where he was born.

If he has a Late Form or a long form with a residential address on it, he cannot prove he was born in Hawaii. Why? Because Hawaii was ACTIVELY registering babies as born within the state in order to qualify for MORE federal dollars from the U.S. Government.

Hawaii literally registered thousands of babies doing this, and a vast number of them, not having been born in the United States, have no right to the United States Citizenship they were given.

Hawaii isn’t covering for Obama. Its is covering Citizenship Fraud and welfare fraud.

Obama just happened to get caught up in that!

Maybe his grandmother made use of that if he was born in Kenya as people suspect.

Maybe his own mother did when she recognized that her baby would benefit from having American Citizenship. Maybe she did it to spite Obama Sr. for having another wife she didn’t know about, who the heck knows. One way or another, Obama has a form that does not prove his right to American Citizenship.

But THAT was an accident. That is what people have used to say, “oh yea right, like grandma knew he was gonna be POTUS one day and would need a newspaper announcement”. No. Obama’s circumstance just happened to fall in a time when the State of Hawaii was committing Welfare and citizenship Fraud.

THAT is why the republican governor is covering this up. It’s not about Obama, its about the crimes the State Committed the time of Obama’s birth and for YEARS after it as well.

Obama just happens to be shining a HUGE spotlight on the steaming pile of poo laid by the State.

Obama is TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THAT. He knows Hawaii isn’t going to admit anything, or stop covering his butt. Obama knows what Hawaii was up to and likely used it as some HARD leverage against the state.

Hawaii isn’t covering Obama. Hawaii is covering its OWN butt, Obama is just USING it to his advantage.

Post 59 is pretty good too:

To: American Constitutionalist

Yep.

The Lawyer working for the Hawaiian Democrat Party was Stanly Ann’s Lawyer in her divorce. that lawyer was working for the Hawaiian Democrat Party as well. Has been for YEARS, 15 I think it is...

He knows and likely has specific records on Barry because of that Divorce.

He knows who Barry is, knew and worked for his mom.

That lawyer is likely to know that Hawaii did engage in massive Citizenship Fraud from the time the State was ratified and became the 50th State.

That lawyer would KNOW balls to bones, that the State of Hawaii could NOT certify that Obama was a Natural Born Citizen of the United States and Constitutionally Eligible to run for and occupy the position of POTUS.

That Lawyer might be the ONLY honest player in this whole mess, other than keeping his mouth shut - lying by omission is still a lie.

He knew Hawaii could not certify Obama... and they refused to.

So Nancy now had her precious parts in a vice..... How to keep Obama on the Ballot in a seemingly constitutional manner? NOT having him on the ballot.... disqualifying him because of the lack of birth state certification was her only other choice. It was either find a way to make it APPEAR he had been certified, or take him off the ballot. Something she didn’t want to do because she WANTED him POTUS. She could work with him. I am willing to bet that she has little such good working relationships with say... Hillary... which would have been the person who would have benefited the most from that act of honesty on the part of Nancy. Somehow I don’t think Hillary and Nancy are BFF’s. There is also of course, the threats of riots if the “first black man” didn’t get the nomination... the accusations of racism... Nancy would have been the most hated person EVER by the black community, not to mention a huge number of brain dead kool-aide drinkers and ..... a HUGE number of Democrat Liberal Donors who have given vast sums of money to Obama... oh no... Nancy couldn’t NOT certify Obama.

So don’t wonder why a BIG supporter of Hillary Clinton, Phil Berg, waded into this constitutionality issue FIRST before the election! Hillary is perfectly well aware of ALL of this. I am willing to bet someone who knew someone got into touch with Phil Berg with the tip that he might be able to help Hillary get the Nomination when it was beginning to become clear that she was losing! Or maybe that friend of a friend of a someone just passed along the information to Berg just as insurance. We will likely never know. Berg has never tipped off what set him onto his path that I know of.

What Nancy did is NOT part of the legal constitutional proceedings for POTUS nominations. Her action ALONE might well invalidate Obama’s Nomination and subsequent election.

There are a rather large number of people and an entire state government invested in covering up Barack Obama’s Birth Records.

Like I said, this makes Watergate look like a kiddie pool.


175 posted on 09/24/2010 12:53:43 PM PDT by Danae (Analnathrach, orth' bhais's bethad, do che'l de'nmha.)
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To: mojitojoe

I look forward to reading it.

Like I said, Obama is just using the state’s widespread citizenship fraud against it, forcing them to cover his rear on his OWN citizenship issue.

The more I think about it, the more this seems like the simplest answer. Occam’s razor would tell us that the simplest answer is most likely the correct one!

Obama has gotten the enthusiastic cooperation in hiding his birth records by the state of Hawaii because in doing so, Hawaii continues to cover its own Fraud.

I am utterly certain that it was made clear to certain individuals that ANY exposure of ANY of Obama’s records would result in an investigation into the States Birth registration procedures from the time it was made a state until now. I am certain it would have been made clear that it could involve revoking citizenship of thousands of individuals who’s birth in the islands is suspect.... talk about a MASSIVE scandal! OMG. Massive Scandal is only where it would START! I am certain Hawaii has been threatened, either directly or indirectly, with that very scenario.


176 posted on 09/24/2010 1:00:02 PM PDT by Danae (Analnathrach, orth' bhais's bethad, do che'l de'nmha.)
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To: LorenC

Sorry, that is not sunlight. That is likely TV lights kept at the campaign headquarters. Those are outside windows. There are no interior windows like that in the open landscape area of the Chicago Headquarters.

If you want to see what this area looks like it daylight and sunshine simply go to this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6-FHxPy0E0

In fact go to the 1:08 mark of the video. You will see vertical window coverings (maybe blinds) over Alexrod’s shoulder. This matches the vertical structures over the windows in the photo. In the video it is also clear how bright the area is during daylight due to the large outside windows. The dark background in the photo would be impossible if the light source were ‘the sun’.

The photos from Fact Check just make no sense. As others have noted they are not at all professional, and as noted here they were not even likely taken at the same time.

Since we are back to these infamous photos who’s supposed owners will not talk. Here is another thing that the video above helped with. If all of these photos were taken in in the Chicago HQ it was a puzzle as to the place where the ones with wood grain were taken. There is almost no wood grain surfaces in the Chicago HQ. Neither in the open landscape or in the offices (thanks Katie for the tour - it was helpful!). But I said ‘almost’. Look at the video exact at the 3:00 mark. In the press area in the back is the only wood grain surface in the whole video of Obama’s HQ. If those picture were taken in a 7 minute sequence then that surface is the likely place where the close-ups with wood grain were taken.

I thought someone said those photos were taken at someones office. If that office is not at Obama HQ that would be impossible if the original EXIF data was correct in terms of the photo to photo timing. Remember, Henig and Miller have claimed that the camera merely had the wrong date and time in it. But the EXIF data indicated the whole shoot lasted around 7 minutes - start to finish.

I am impressed that you took the time to repeat the sequence and see what is clearly visible with some very simple enhancement. The bottom line - these ‘photos’ would get ripped to shreds in the court of law.


177 posted on 09/24/2010 2:20:32 PM PDT by bluecat6
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To: humblegunner

You know what they say about opinions.


178 posted on 09/24/2010 3:36:41 PM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: bluecat6

And that’s why it’s so significant that the judges are all refusing to let the case be heard on its merits, and why it’s so heinous that we have no prosecuting attorneys who will investigate.

If the normal protocols, rules, laws, etc were followed this would have been over a long, long time ago. What we’re looking at here is the failure of our government, media, and law enforcement systems - and that should be a serious concern for anybody, regardless of what they think about the eligibility issue.

Thanks for the information you’ve given. You’ve obviously put in some valuable time on this, and I appreciate your sharing that.


179 posted on 09/24/2010 5:31:49 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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