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The Oil Drum ^ | September 26, 2010 | Nate Hagens

Posted on 09/26/2010 12:59:28 PM PDT by Bean Counter

Ive gotten 95% of my information from the internet over the past 5-6 years. There exists a special mix of intelligence, altruism and collegial respect that can unite to make internet forums worth much more than the price of admission. As such I've become habituated to a variety of sources, bloggers, websites, and internet personalities. Of late it seems these forums have become more shrill and predictable in their aggregate coverage of real life. Recently the signal to noise ratio is so low that I find myself using the internet for learning less and less, and when I do, with increasing occasion shake my head at the content. Buzzwords such as 'fiat currency', 'fractional reserve system', 'banksters', 'hyperinflation' and even 'peak oil' are prevalent, though the analysis and understanding of these concepts seems shallow and repetitive. Worse, the denizens of particular forums (not surprisingly) all seem to drink their own particular form of kool-aid. Given the prevalence of high quality content and thought of a few years ago, the blending and parroting of the major themes that a casual perusal of the resource/energy/finance blogosphere reveals today reminds one of the time shift in the movie Idiocracy. A psychiatrist might label this phenomenon ‘information anhedonia’. An economist would say we’ve reached ‘decreasing informational returns from the marginal blog entry’. I'll just call it ‘clown-fest’.

We evolved to favor the ‘in group’ over the ‘out group’, for resource, defensive, and ultimately reproductive advantages. The internet has spawned millions of ‘in-groups’ – peak oilers, tea-party evangelizers, deflationistas, gold-bugs, Austrian economics followers, anti-abortion activists, and myriad less controversial groups such as ‘Claremount High School Boosters", "Kerr Jar Enthusiasts", “Earthworm Snack Creators” and the like. People gravitate towards groups they identify with. And they usually stay there. (After all, a room full of clowns feels a lot less clown-like).

*SNIP*

It is possible, that with highly polarized issues like finance, energy depletion, and environmental damage, that some leading clowns may act as decoys on the way to (positive?) change. As Dan Ariely wrote about in Predictably Irrational, there is a concept termed asymmetric dominance effect where the existence of a third, extreme value causes what was originally an extreme option to be preferred. The example in the book was (something like) the choice between buying a $250 barbecue grill or a $1000 grill. Ceteris paribus, most people chose the cheaper grill. But if the grill manufacturer put up a super stacked $5,000 grill next to the other two, then people would start to prefer the $1000 grill as next to the $5,000 version it didn't seem so outrageous. This practice, known in professional marketing as 'the decoy effect' may inadvertently apply to what appears to be a clown uprising among the energy/environment/economic tribes. Options for change that at first seem extreme might not seem so extreme in the face of a carnivale barrage.

*SNIP*

If this post has sounded a bit harsh on the status of blogging/education on the major topics of our time, it is meant to be. Those glorifying dystopian futures, and only recommending action steps involving Kruggerands and/or ammunition etc., are probably getting their status/ego boost at an ultimate cost to society. A hijacked pursuit of status and novelty gets firmly in the way of real education and change. Just like time, greed and entropy have caused our political system to become a ‘one dollar one vote’ monolith, the blogoshphere has become a ‘one neuron one vote’ system. Those who have free time and are vocal, novel, confident, and possessive of short memories drown out the less clown-like in their forums - Greshams Law. “Democracies” cease to work in these circumstances unless there exists a strong republic/framework of rules. The watershed moment comes when clowns have become the scout team for the civically minded, rational systems-thinkers who find their voices. Or maybe that already happened years ago and we're mean-reverting.


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I encourage you to go read the entire article...he makes some excellent points that can be applied in many places.

I've got my red nose on...where's yours??

1 posted on 09/26/2010 12:59:32 PM PDT by Bean Counter
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To: Bean Counter
...long on rhetoric, short on facts.

"It is possible, that with highly polarized issues like finance, energy depletion, and environmental damage, that some leading clowns may act as decoys on the way to (positive?) change."

..."change?" Whatever. He posed a windy argument in favor of a policy that he refuses to name (more spending?), and his argument is based on a generalizing ad hominem steeped in rhetoric.


2 posted on 09/26/2010 1:15:41 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
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To: Bean Counter
His chosen topic at the Oil Drum was "Sociology/Psychology," BTW. It appears that the clown nose fits him.


3 posted on 09/26/2010 1:16:55 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
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To: Bean Counter

This complex cyber landscape exists concurrently with accelerating real crises in energy, the economy, and the environment.

What crisis, other than perhaps an Obama generated economic one.

My first thought based on the one comment, is: Nate, where you been hanging out?

You rub noses with clowns, you begin to look like them.


4 posted on 09/26/2010 1:17:40 PM PDT by wita
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To: Bean Counter

I just glanced at that this but he seems to be dealing with “group think”

I have found it strange, but almost all the group think I have seen has occurred in groups


5 posted on 09/26/2010 1:23:42 PM PDT by woofie
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To: Bean Counter
Clarabell? Is that you?
6 posted on 09/26/2010 1:33:32 PM PDT by JPG (Sarah Palin says: "Buck-up or get out of the truck.")
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To: Bean Counter

I love the reply from one of the doomers:

“Good to see Nate is as petulant as ever. Yet another long winded and pointless post, entirely devoid of otherwise useful information, which seems to serve no other purpose than to obsequiously trumpet how much smarter he thinks he is than everyone else.”

If I had a gold eagle for every doomer investment, dystopia, survival book I’ve bought over the past 30 years, I’d be wealthy.

*I am, but that’s because I don’t pay attention to the doomers.


7 posted on 09/26/2010 1:42:31 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: Bean Counter
We are just over a month from one of the most important elections in our time and he wonders why people are a bit harsh in their political rhetoric?? lol
8 posted on 09/26/2010 1:49:28 PM PDT by Dem Guard (Obama's 57 States = The Organization of The Islamic Conference (OIC).)
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To: Bean Counter

I have termed it ideological anarchy, and it is a result of a nation increasingly forsaking the authority which it once largely looked to as its supreme ideological authority, the Bible, understood in the light of the New Testament and preached by churches. At one time the evangelical faith was a form of “civil religion,” and the McGuffey’s reader with its Biblical morality and allusions helped raise of children in the way that should go. Having entered into benefits of such labor, State-sanctioned secular liberal ideology now functionally serves as a religion, raising up generations in a way that seems right to them, but in the end thereof are the ways of death.
http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/RevealingStatistics.html
http://www.astorehouseofknowledge.info/Education_in_the_United_States


9 posted on 09/26/2010 2:01:50 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( ("Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out," Acts 3:19))
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To: Bean Counter
For the last time, articles from this source belong in Bloggers.
10 posted on 09/26/2010 2:11:23 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: OpusatFR

-I love the reply from one of the doomers:-

Yep, that’s what I thought, around the third sentence in.

Nate knows some 2 dollar words, and I think he’s
bothered that 50 cent word people are allowed
to fraternize with elite such as himself.

What a damned boring rant he wrote!


11 posted on 09/26/2010 6:18:52 PM PDT by CaptainPhilFan
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Aye, Aye, Sir!! Three bags full, Sir!! Any other obscure rules and/or edicts about posting guidlelines to dispense tonight??

yeesh! When this guy talks about different clowns on different websites...

If you disapprove so strongly there AM, either move it, lock it, or delete it. Your call.


12 posted on 09/26/2010 6:42:07 PM PDT by Bean Counter (Now what kind of a geroo are you anyway?)
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To: Admin Moderator

Yah, that’s about all I expected out of you. The Great Anonymous Mouth has spoken, huh? Imagine how I care.

I don’t know who you really are, and I am not particularly concerned. I’m sure you are some Freeper who has been handed the keys to the Kingdom for a Sunday night while there isn’t much else going on, and there is little you can do to muck things up too badly. If you ruffle a few feathers, no problem because you have anonymity, the very subject of this article as well as Internet “clowns”, (such as yourself), and the roles they play at places like Free Republic. A couple of the Admin Mods here at FR, along with many others came immediately to mind when I read this article and that is why I posted it exactly where I wanted it, as opposed to where you wanted it.

I’m reasonably certain you are someone who I have personally pissed off for one reason or another for some period of time here at FR, and now that you have finagled yourself the Admin Mod keys you figure the time is right for a little housecleaning, starting with people like me. Fine, game on. You’ll only ban me once my friend, so make sure you do it right the first time. Are you Canuckistani by chance?? I think I’ve pissed off more Canadians in the last 20 years online than anyone else, I lose absolutely no sleep about it, so you could be any number of our unsavory Northern “neighbors” with an axe to grind with me.

Your job is not to steer the discussion here, but to ride herd on the more heinous behavior. I posted this exactly where I intended it to go, and again, if you don’t like it, move it, lock it, delete it or leave it the hell alone. I am not privy to, nor do I care, about your personal set of Admin Mod rules, nor is the majority of the people who post here and take it far less seriously than you obviously do.

Thank you very little for killing what could have been an interesting discussion thread, and if you had taken my original comment seriously, and read the damned thing before you shut this thread down with your comments, you might have come down from the Tower, logged back in with your regular Freeper ID, and contributed in some meaningful way to a conversation. Instead you choose to play Admin Mod in Black. So be it.

At least I recognize that I do have a clown role online and freely admit it, and if only you could see that you do too, these kinds of guidance counseling sessions would not be necessary and you would not waste so much of my time explaining things that you really ought to be aware of in the first place.

For the last time, carry on....


13 posted on 09/26/2010 8:04:30 PM PDT by Bean Counter (Now what kind of a geroo are you anyway?)
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To: Bean Counter

I apologize for that upity mod, he’s only been a freeper since 1999 and and an admin mod for only about 7 years. I apologize for his newbie moderating.

After further review, I agree with this young moderator’s decision.


14 posted on 09/26/2010 10:28:28 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Admin Moderator

15 posted on 09/27/2010 2:52:58 AM PDT by shibumi (Speechless - for the moment.)
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To: 50mm; humblegunner

Ping for laughs
Blogpimp getting snippy with the mod.. this can’t end well for him.


16 posted on 09/27/2010 10:09:58 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: mnehring
Blogpimp getting snippy with the mod..

Not a thing I would attempt. And I'm fairly careless.

17 posted on 09/27/2010 3:48:27 PM PDT by humblegunner (Pablo is very wily ~ http://eastforker.com/home.html)
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To: mnehring

Looks like the Adminerator kicked his beans pretty good.


18 posted on 09/27/2010 4:03:13 PM PDT by 50mm (Change that smells.)
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To: Bean Counter
Thank you very little for killing what could have been an interesting discussion thread..

My pleasure...

19 posted on 09/27/2010 5:35:51 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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Let’s keep beating this into the ground. Maybe someday we’ll get to the bottom of it.

Walk away.


20 posted on 09/27/2010 5:45:55 PM PDT by Bean Counter (Now what kind of a geroo are you anyway?)
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To: Bean Counter
Walk away

Joe Walsh!

Yes!

21 posted on 09/27/2010 5:51:26 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Admin Moderator; Jim Robinson; kristinn

So what is your game tonight? Going to try and bait me into giving you some reason to ban me?? I wouldn’t give you the pleasure.

Amateur. Go find someone else to annoy.


22 posted on 09/27/2010 6:12:54 PM PDT by Bean Counter (Now what kind of a geroo are you anyway?)
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Going to try and bait me into giving you some reason to ban me??

No way - you're our toy.

23 posted on 09/27/2010 6:14:47 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Mears

bfl


24 posted on 09/27/2010 6:20:49 PM PDT by Mears
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To: Admin Moderator; Jim Robinson; kristinn; All

I see. Well you just go off in the corner and do whatever makes you moist in your private places. I had the good sense to drop this last night, too bad you don’t have the sense to leave it alone tonight. I cannot imagine why you think your behavior is acceptable from anyone in a position of responsibility like you are.

In any case, please stop with the cyber stalking, and stop baiting me. You are not funny, I am not your “toy” and your conduct is as unprofessional and cowardly as I have ever seen out of any “Mod” at any site. Frankly this is the kind of behavior many of us have come to expect from DU and their ilk; not FR. You really should examine your personal standards of behavior.

The bottom line here is this: you have the “ZOT” key, so use it if that’s what gets you all silly. You don’t need an excuse and you sure don’t need any help from me, just do it if that’s what you think will solve this. If not, then keep your cute little comments to yourself and stop wasting my time.


25 posted on 09/27/2010 6:34:31 PM PDT by Bean Counter (Now what kind of a geroo are you anyway?)
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To: Admin Moderator; Bean Counter
Joe Walsh - Walk Away (1971)
26 posted on 09/27/2010 6:37:44 PM PDT by 50mm (Change that smells.)
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To: Bean Counter
In any case, please stop with the cyber stalking, and stop baiting me.
...If not, then keep your cute little comments to yourself and stop wasting my time.

Back at ya...

27 posted on 09/27/2010 6:40:03 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: 50mm
Great song, ain't it?

Did you know that Stevie Nicks once said Joe was 'the love of my life'?

Joe Walsh, folks. She might as well have said Tom Petty or Joe Cocker...

28 posted on 09/27/2010 6:41:50 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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Yup. One of my favorites. Don’t know who Stevie loves, but I used to be in love with the Welsh Witch.

If she had married Joe Walsh she would have been Stevie Welsh Witch Walsh. Say that three times quickly after downing a six pack. LOL


29 posted on 09/27/2010 6:57:08 PM PDT by 50mm (Change that smells.)
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To: 50mm
Joe is alright. Ever seen him do, 'One Day At A Time'? Fantastic song...
30 posted on 09/27/2010 7:03:48 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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Yup. The song about his alcoholism. Great song.


31 posted on 09/27/2010 7:06:46 PM PDT by 50mm (Change that smells.)
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To: Admin Moderator; 50mm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh9Z4topNx0


32 posted on 09/27/2010 7:08:03 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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My favorite is

Funk #49 - Joe Walsh and The James Gang

33 posted on 09/27/2010 7:13:26 PM PDT by 50mm (Change that smells.)
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To: 50mm

I’ve seen a few thread hijacks, but this thread has been kidnapped, wrapped in duct tape, and driven to a deserted warehouse somewhere outside of town.


34 posted on 09/27/2010 7:15:06 PM PDT by Interesting Times (For the truth about "swift boating" see ToSetTheRecordStraight.com)
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To: Interesting Times
Hasn't been completely threadjacked without a cute puppy picture.


35 posted on 09/27/2010 7:21:59 PM PDT by 50mm (Change that smells.)
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To: Interesting Times

hmm....it may have been placed beside the ark of the covenant


36 posted on 09/27/2010 7:39:02 PM PDT by xp38
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"Yup. The song about his alcoholism. Great song."

And all this time I thought he was channeling me!
37 posted on 09/27/2010 7:50:10 PM PDT by shibumi (Speechless - for the moment.)
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To: shibumi

Maybe we should start a confession thread?


38 posted on 09/27/2010 7:51:53 PM PDT by 50mm (Change that smells.)
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To: 50mm

No big deal.

I put away the bottle about 9 years ago - after 30 years of daily indulgence.

The body can only take so much, and in my case it let me know.

Funny thing is, everybody says I’m a lot more goofy sober than I was drunk.


39 posted on 09/27/2010 7:57:46 PM PDT by shibumi (Speechless - for the moment.)
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To: shibumi

Congratulations on your sobriety. You certainly haven’t lost your sense of humor.


40 posted on 09/27/2010 8:00:14 PM PDT by 50mm (Change that smells.)
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Speaking of alcohol, you gotta wonder if Joe was drunk when he did the intro to Meadows.

Meadows - Joe Walsh Barnstorm

41 posted on 09/27/2010 8:03:21 PM PDT by 50mm (Change that smells.)
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To: shibumi; Admin Moderator; 50mm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykah3sqzvlo

:)


42 posted on 09/27/2010 8:09:56 PM PDT by Salamander (I made friends with a lot of people in the danger zone.)
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To: Admin Moderator

I love “The Confessor”.

Creeeeeeeepy video!


43 posted on 09/27/2010 8:14:10 PM PDT by Salamander (I made friends with a lot of people in the danger zone.)
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To: Interesting Times; 50mm; shibumi

Needs more leather, whips and chains.


44 posted on 09/27/2010 8:15:24 PM PDT by Salamander (I made friends with a lot of people in the danger zone.)
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To: Salamander

That would be a nice video to show a 3 year old kid right before a trip to the circus. LOL


45 posted on 09/27/2010 8:19:47 PM PDT by 50mm (Change that smells.)
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To: Salamander; Interesting Times; 50mm; Admin Moderator



"Roscoe" couldn't fin his whip.

46 posted on 09/27/2010 8:20:26 PM PDT by shibumi (Speechless - for the moment.)
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To: 50mm

Keep in mind that Alice is the Sunday school teacher at his church.

If that’s not a mental image, I don’t know what is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASUHlK8skIw

Wait for the final word after the song.

:)


47 posted on 09/27/2010 8:38:15 PM PDT by Salamander (I made friends with a lot of people in the danger zone.)
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To: shibumi
Roscoe found it.


48 posted on 09/27/2010 8:39:36 PM PDT by 50mm (Change that smells.)
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To: Salamander

Full clown getup, gnarly teeth, smacking his bible and screaming at the 3 year olds “REPENT!” Yup. He’s an odd man, indeed!


49 posted on 09/27/2010 8:45:06 PM PDT by 50mm (Change that smells.)
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To: shibumi

He can borrow one of mine.

[braided leather or nylon woven over fiberglass...different “effects”, ya know...choose wisely]

:]


50 posted on 09/27/2010 8:47:42 PM PDT by Salamander (I made friends with a lot of people in the danger zone.)
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