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The Mythical Middle: Why moderates are Dangerous.
The Silent Majority ^ | 10-01-10 | SouthernMan

Posted on 10/01/2010 6:34:11 AM PDT by Lexluthor69

The Mythical Middle: Why moderates are dangerous.

What is a moderate? Who, exactly, lives in the middle of the political spectrum? More importantly, why does anyone care?

In politics and religion, a moderate is an individual who is not extreme, partisan or radical.

Politicians are always seeking out the votes of the mythical moderates, independents and undecided. We hear how politicians move to the “middle” to garner votes or stem a tide of resentment towards their policies. We hear politicians admonished to tone down the rhetoric less they scare away moderate voters. President Clinton comes to mind, most recently, utilizing this strategy to retain office after his party suffered a catastrophic mid-term defeat.

But what exactly is a moderate and do they, collectively, represent a significant voting block? Some would argue that they do:

Which brings us to the Tea Party. Despite all the headlines about their impact on the upcoming midterms, I have a theory that out in the political heartland, the trashing by the Tea Partiers may be preparing the battlefield for a much more profound second wave of disaffected, independent voters, who could make the Tea Party look like, well, a tea party.

I’ve always called them the Militant Middle, and Gary Butts is a founding member. “It’s about time the moderates stood up and said, ‘Hey, we’re in the majority here!’”

He is with ModerateVoters.org, based in Irvine, California, and he says the Militant Middle started growing and coalescing around a broad slogan of “Throw the bums out” long before the Tea Party even started brewing — and now it’s reached a boiling point.(SOURCE)

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TOPICS: Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: conservative; liberal; middle; moderate

1 posted on 10/01/2010 6:34:17 AM PDT by Lexluthor69
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To: Lexluthor69

A moderate believes in bigger, but better and cheaper government.


2 posted on 10/01/2010 6:38:24 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: Daveinyork

RINOs can do socialism better!
3 posted on 10/01/2010 6:43:04 AM PDT by Leisler ("Over time they create a legal system that plunders and a moral code that glorifies it." F. Bastiat)
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To: Lexluthor69

The dangerous ones are the self-proclaimed moderates.

That’s just another way of saying “I’m always right.”


4 posted on 10/01/2010 6:50:37 AM PDT by fruser1
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To: Lexluthor69

The moderate middle-roaders are IMHO, an unreliable, fickle electorate. They vote on emotions, not facts and are led around by the MSM spinmasters.


5 posted on 10/01/2010 6:54:50 AM PDT by umgud (Obama is a failed experiment.)
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To: umgud

Spot on. Fickle as well as completely credulous. They demonstrate an absence of healthy skepticism regarding a politician’s campaign promises.


6 posted on 10/01/2010 7:42:43 AM PDT by Oratam
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To: Lexluthor69

Seems like there must be a middle if there are sides.


7 posted on 10/01/2010 7:44:49 AM PDT by stuartcr (Nancy Pelosi-Super MILF.................................Moron I'd Like to Forget)
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To: Lexluthor69

Being of moderate political views and the “middle” from an electoral standpoint seem to be two different things to me.

The middle IMO are voters who fall in love with candidates and pay little or no attention to what they are saying.

Moderates tend to be people who have well formed (and often opposed) viewpoints. I would say Bush was a moderate. I’d say they also vote all over the place depending on what issues they are most passionate about but they do so for a reason.


8 posted on 10/01/2010 7:50:47 AM PDT by IamConservative (Two wrongs don't make a right, but you might get even.)
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To: Lexluthor69
Political moderates, trying to be all things to all people which results in screwing everything up.

Social moderates, slapping God in the face and thinking they can get away with it.


9 posted on 10/01/2010 8:19:13 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: Lexluthor69

Moderates? These are people who wait for the most convincing voice to tell them what to do.


10 posted on 10/01/2010 8:33:51 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: Daveinyork

Moderates also, often like our lower taxes but like the left on the other stuff, they call themselves libertarians.


11 posted on 10/01/2010 6:15:17 PM PDT by ansel12 ([fear of Islam.] Once you are paralyzed by fear of Mohammedanism...you have lost the battle.)
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To: ansel12

No libertarian would ever call himself a moderate. Any moderate who calls himself a libertarian is lying.


12 posted on 10/02/2010 5:02:35 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: Daveinyork

The media calls liberals moderates.

The most successful Libertarian candidate ever, called Libertarians “low tax, liberals”.

He was accurate. Libertarian is another word for a liberal that likes conservative economics.


13 posted on 10/02/2010 8:39:09 AM PDT by ansel12 ([fear of Islam.] Once you are paralyzed by fear of Mohammedanism...you have lost the battle.)
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To: ansel12

“The media calls liberals moderates.”

who, but a liberal, like you, cares what the media calls anyone?

“The most successful Libertarian candidate ever, called Libertarians “low tax, liberals”.”

who would that be?

“He was accurate. Libertarian is another word for a liberal that likes conservative economics.

So what are you? a high tax liberal?

Since you insist on trashiing people who are for smaller government, I must conclude that you are for big government, making you a liberal.


14 posted on 10/04/2010 4:12:14 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: Daveinyork

That was a particularly ignorant post, and useless post.


15 posted on 10/04/2010 7:32:06 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12

“That was a particularly ignorant post, and useless post.”

In response to one that was even more ignorant, and very ill-informed.

You work, or worked for the government, right?


16 posted on 10/04/2010 8:33:42 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: Daveinyork
Tell me what is wrong with post 13, and quit making ridiculous statements and conclusions like me being a liberal, from a post where I am condemning liberalism, and that I work for the government, who knows how you get that.

In 1980 the libertarians ran their most successful Presidential candidate ever, trying to stop Ronald Reagan, their canidate, Ed Clark.

"In 1979 he won the Libertarian Party presidential nomination at the party's convention in Los Angeles, California. He published a book on his programs, entitled "A New Beginning". The book's introduction was by Eugene McCarthy. During the campaign, Clark positioned himself as a peace candidate and emphasized both large budget and tax cuts, as well as outreach to liberals and progressives unhappy with the resumption of Selective Service registration and the arms race with the Soviet Union."

When asked in a television interview to summarize libertarianism, Clark used the phrase "low-tax liberalism,"

17 posted on 10/04/2010 8:49:59 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: Lexluthor69
In politics and religion, a moderate is an individual who is not extreme, partisan or radical

"Moderates" -- those who inhabit the middle of the political spectrum -- happen to be a significant majority of voters. They are "moderates," in large part because they distrust extremes, partisans, and radicals -- and choose not to associate themselves with same.

The author apparently wishes to radicalize moderates -- to force them to choose between left and right. Apparently he only understands moderates well enough to build a strawman of them.

His big mistake is in thinking that "moderate" equates to "passive." In reality, the moderate mindset translates more into a willingness to only go so far -- and it's never as far as the partisans want them to go.

The partisan left understands moderates far better than the partisan right does. They know that the way to move moderates in their direction, is to do so patiently and incrementally.

Conservatives, otoh, have an unfortunate tendency to assume that an electoral move to the right equates to a willingness among moderates to accept large changes to basic systems, and as a result they try to ram things through all at once.

But moderates are never ready for big changes, and they're at least as suspicious of drastic change from the right, as they are from the left.

The difference is that the left knows that, and uses that discomfort to counterpunch conservative initiatives -- which explains why the left never seems to stay defeated, and usually, eventually, to come out ahead.

The author doesn't seem to understand that.

18 posted on 10/04/2010 9:13:41 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: ansel12
In 1980 the libertarians ran their most successful Presidential candidate ever, trying to stop Ronald Reagan, their canidate, Ed Clark.

Well.... Ed Clark did (just barely) break the magic 1% mark, which is really, really good for a Libertarian....

But he still got squashed.

19 posted on 10/04/2010 9:18:43 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: ansel12

One Libertarian said that. One. I don’t know what he meant. Maybe, because, prior to the 1930’s liberalism meant smaller government, and more indivudual freedom, before progressives started calling themselves liberals, appropriating the word for something that was, and remains, anything but liberal.

Do you favor smaller or larger government. I don’t believe you ever mentioned which you prefer.


20 posted on 10/04/2010 9:37:19 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: Lexluthor69

World’s shortest book - “Great Moderates in History.”


21 posted on 10/04/2010 9:41:46 AM PDT by dfwgator (Texas Rangers - AL West Champions)
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To: Daveinyork

That “one Libertarian” was the strongest, most successful candidate that libertarians have ever fielded.

Libertarians are called low tax, liberals because of this agenda.

Here is the leftists agenda hidden behind the Libertarian Party curtain.

Libertarian Party Platform (they have concealed some of this since 2004):

Throw open the borders completely; only a rare individual (terrorist, disease carrier etc.) can be kept from freedom of movement through “political boundaries”.

Homosexuals; total freedom in the military, gay marriage, adoption, child custody and everything else.

Abortion; zero restrictions or impediments.

Pornography; no restraint, no restrictions.

Drugs; Meth, Heroin, Crack, and anything new that science can come up with, zero restrictions.

Advertising those drugs, prostitution, and pornography; zero restrictions.

Military Strength; minimal capabilities.


22 posted on 10/04/2010 9:42:22 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12

do you favor smaller or larger government?


23 posted on 10/04/2010 10:17:03 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: Daveinyork

I favor a massive reduction in the size of government, that is why I want to stop the left’s fifth column assault of the “libertarian” branch of liberalism.

See post 22, about the ‘low tax, liberal” party.

From wiki;
“The first person to describe himself as a libertarian was Joseph Déjacque, an early French anarchist communist. The word stems from the French word libertaire, and was used to evade the French ban on anarchist publications. In this tradition, the term “libertarianism” in “libertarian socialism” is generally used as a synonym for anarchism, which some say is the original meaning of the term; hence “libertarian socialism” is equivalent to “socialist anarchism” to these scholars. In the context of the European socialist movement, libertarian has conventionally been used to describe those who opposed state socialism, such as Mikhail Bakunin. In the United States, the movement most commonly called libertarianism follows a capitalist philosophy; the term libertarian socialism therefore strikes many Americans as a contradiction in terms.

However, the association of socialism with libertarianism predates that of capitalism, and many anti-authoritarians still decry what they see as a mistaken association of capitalism with libertarianism in the United States. As Noam Chomsky put it, a consistent libertarian “must oppose private ownership of the means of production and the wage slavery which is a component of this system, as incompatible with the principle that labor must be freely undertaken and under the control of the producer.”

In a chapter recounting the history of libertarian socialism, economist Robin Hahnel relates that thus far the period where libertarian socialism has had its greatest impact was at the end of the 19th century through the first four decades of the twentieth century.

“Early in the twentieth century, libertarian socialism was as powerful a force as social democracy and communism. The Libertarian International– founded at the Congress of Saint Imier a few days after the split between Marxist and libertarians at the congress of the Socialist International held in The Hague in 1872– competed successfully against social democrats and communists alike for the loyalty of anticapitalist activists, revolutionaries, workers, unions and political parties for over fifty years. Libertarian socialists played a major role in the Russian revolutions of 1905 and 1917. Libertarian socialists played a dominant role in the Mexican Revolution of 1911. Twenty years after World War I was over, libertarian socialists were still strong enough to spearhead the social revolution that swept across Republican Spain in 1936 and 1937.”


24 posted on 10/04/2010 10:26:42 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12

You are a libertarian. Be careful how you slander thyself.


25 posted on 10/04/2010 10:34:31 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: Daveinyork

You are just too bizarre.


26 posted on 10/04/2010 10:45:40 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12

I take back what I said about you being a government worker. You must be a university associate professor. You are totally lost in semantics, bizarre semanitics, to use your terminology.

A libertarian wants less government, and more freedom. It’s just that simple.


27 posted on 10/04/2010 11:01:59 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: Daveinyork

Leftists support that agenda in post 22, no matter what they call themselves.


28 posted on 10/04/2010 11:08:39 AM PDT by ansel12
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