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Does pregnancy change a pro-abortion extremist's views?
NewsReal ^ | October 6, 2010 | Cassy Fiano

Posted on 10/06/2010 7:28:21 PM PDT by TheHawksNest

Snipped from If You Can’t Play Tennis, You Aren’t A Person:

Radical femisogynist Jessica Valenti recently gave birth to a little girl. And while I doubt this subject is one she’ll ever broach, I have to say, I would love to know her thoughts. See, I’m pregnant right now. I’ve heard my baby’s heartbeat. I’ve seen the heart beating on an ultrasound. I’ve seen my baby kick its little legs and suck its thumb. I felt my baby move for the first time just a few days ago. I know exactly what I’m carrying, and yes, it’s a person. I could see the eyes and the smile, I could make out a profile with a forehead, nose, and lips. I could see the little fingers and toes. It isn’t some kind of meaningless bunch of tissue inside of me, it’s a person. A little person, yes, but a person.

When Valenti heard her baby’s heart beating, did she think it was just an abortable clump of cells? When she saw her daughter moving in her uterus, was it a fetus or a baby? When she felt her baby kicking, did she have any doubt about what she was carrying? If she had miscarried (and thank goodness she didn’t), would she have thought she lost some fetal tissue or would she have thought she lost her baby? A pregnant woman knows the truth. It’s why so many women feel they need to lie to themselves or avoid an ultrasound before an abortion. If they were to admit the truth to themselves, they wouldn’t be able to live with themselves.

These are questions she’ll probably never answer.

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KEYWORDS: abortion; personhood; prolife
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We've all heard stories of women changing their minds about abortion after viewing ultrasounds. Is it different for a dedicated pro-abortion activist like the one the author mentions?
1 posted on 10/06/2010 7:28:23 PM PDT by TheHawksNest
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To: TheHawksNest

Uh, I don’t know. How would anyone here at FR even begin to answer that question at all knowledgeably?


2 posted on 10/06/2010 7:32:03 PM PDT by worst-case scenario (Striving to reach the light)
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To: TheHawksNest

Leftists are not concerned with truth in anything, including this subject.


3 posted on 10/06/2010 7:33:39 PM PDT by ryan71 (Let's Roll!)
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To: TheHawksNest

There’s a “womyn” who was a mother in my old playgroup who is radically pro-abort. She posted something on FB quite a while ago about expressing horror at the little stuffed “fetus” dolls a pro-life group was handing out at a fair booth. A little girl was hugging one lovingly, and that was what disturbed her. I don’t know why I haven’t unfriended her, she really disgusts me. Kind of like watching at a train wreck, I guess.


4 posted on 10/06/2010 7:40:13 PM PDT by To Hell With Poverty (The War on Poverty is over. Poverty won. - Howie Carr)
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To: TheHawksNest
Read this column by Jill Stanek and you will hve your answer: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=211857

Title: "The Abortion Nurse's Daughter"

5 posted on 10/06/2010 7:41:11 PM PDT by Palladin ("Congress--YOU'RE FIRED!!!")
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To: Palladin

Link:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=211857


6 posted on 10/06/2010 7:41:51 PM PDT by Palladin ("Congress--YOU'RE FIRED!!!")
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To: worst-case scenario
How would anyone here at FR even begin to answer that question at all knowledgeably?
A lot of us work with lefties, have lefties in our families, etc. Some are even former libs.
7 posted on 10/06/2010 7:43:14 PM PDT by TheHawksNest
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To: Palladin
Read this column by Jill Stanek and you will hve your answer: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=211857
Thank you so much for linking that column!
8 posted on 10/06/2010 7:46:21 PM PDT by TheHawksNest
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To: TheHawksNest

You’re welcome!


9 posted on 10/06/2010 7:47:34 PM PDT by Palladin ("Congress--YOU'RE FIRED!!!")
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To: TheHawksNest

What a libertarian woman?


10 posted on 10/06/2010 7:52:40 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Palladin

Wow! What an amazing story! I wonder where in the country this all happened. How old is Abigail now?


11 posted on 10/06/2010 7:57:19 PM PDT by worst-case scenario (Striving to reach the light)
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To: ansel12
What a libertarian woman?

A true libertarian woman (little 'L') would rather shoot you with free market ammo, but will use government ammo if you are an invader. A true libertairan woman recognises the rights of every human, including the unborn.

/johnny

12 posted on 10/06/2010 8:02:18 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Actually a true libertarian woman would adhere to the libertarian belief on abortion, which is, ZERO restrictions, just do whatever you feel like.

Don’t try and tell these people that libertarianism is a pro life party or political agenda.


13 posted on 10/06/2010 8:05:56 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: TheHawksNest

What’s a “femisogynist”?


14 posted on 10/06/2010 8:07:56 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
What’s a “femisogynist”?
Femisogynist is a portmanteau of "feminist" and "misogynist." I first saw it used by Lori Ziganto (RedState, NewsReal), but a lot of other writers are using it now (like Cassy Fiano in the above post). Quite an apt description of the feminist Left.
15 posted on 10/06/2010 8:14:08 PM PDT by TheHawksNest
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To: ansel12
You have no clue, newb. I've parted ways with the Libertarian party in Texas because of precisely this issue.

And idiots that conflate drug use and license with true libertarianism are just that, idiots.

There is a big difference between the Libertarian party(tm) and true libertarianism.

If you don't know the difference, well, that just highlights some history of these United States that you don't know, understand, or willfully ignore.

I am a small 'L' libertarian, and I say that the rights of all people, even people that can't support themselves (say because they aren't born quite yet) matter. And that the unborn have the right to life.

/johnny

16 posted on 10/06/2010 8:16:15 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: TheHawksNest

A Feminist who hates women????? Now I have heard of everything!


17 posted on 10/06/2010 8:17:41 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Yeah we all know that when someone starts calling a five year freeper a “newb” that they are flustered.

Libertarianism is pro abortion, is there a little sub group that doesn’t agree, of course, but we also know that with out abortion, dope, the homosexual agenda, and weak national security that libertarianism slips into being conservative.


18 posted on 10/06/2010 8:20:59 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Femisogynist, (feh mih SAW jeh nist), Noun; A woman practicing a severely outdated and extremely aggressive form of exclusionary feminism

According to the new thinking.

Horrible bastardization of the original way english bastardizes ancient greek.

/johnny

19 posted on 10/06/2010 8:21:43 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: worst-case scenario

I just GOOGLED her. Abigail appears to be about 30 on her FACEBOOK page. She is from Toledo, Ohio, and currently lives in Virginia.

Here is a lengthier version of her story:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=211857

I’m surprised that I never heard about this young prolife warrior until just now.

I wonder if she’s a FReeper.


20 posted on 10/06/2010 8:22:43 PM PDT by Palladin ("Congress--YOU'RE FIRED!!!")
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To: Palladin; All

Wait, that’s the one I already posted. Here’s the other one:

http://www.socon.ca/or_bust/?p=9495

(Sorry, tired this evening.)


21 posted on 10/06/2010 8:26:28 PM PDT by Palladin ("Congress--YOU'RE FIRED!!!")
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To: ansel12
You are talking about the PARTY, newb, not the original belief structure. And you got called newb to remind you that I've been on FR a lot longer than you and probably tied in with politics a lot longer.

How many offices have YOU run for? Under what parties?

Paint with a broad brush on stuff you are ignorant about, and I'll keep saying it.

I don't support any party that would allow abortion on demand.

Drug use is stupid, but up to the individual. We have laws to deal with bad behavior that druggies might do.

National security is paramount, because without national security, there is no valid government to secure our rights, and we devolve to anarchy. And I will defend my rights even without a government around.

You still have no clue, and I'm guessing it is because you haven't studied much. Just read a little on blogs and formed opinions.

/johnny

22 posted on 10/06/2010 8:29:19 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: ansel12

This is the problem that I always thought I had with libertarians until I heard someone (Glenn Beck, I believe) explain it... There are conservative and liberal libertarians. Gues which is which?


23 posted on 10/06/2010 8:32:28 PM PDT by republicangel
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To: TheHawksNest
Pregnancy, possibly.

Feeling that baby kick and move inside you....it has to change your mind at that point.

24 posted on 10/06/2010 8:43:09 PM PDT by Lizavetta (You get what you tolerate)
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To: republicangel
Funny how people that have never read John Locke, (mid to late 1600s?) seem to think that the modern party is what libertarianism is about drugs. Always the drugs.

Locke talked about who owns the individual. Locke and I agree that the individual owns the individual, and not the state.

There lies the basis of foundational libertarianism. Formal political parties can/did screw that up.

I hope the Tea Party misses out on becoming an actual political party, and remains true to it's roots.

/johnny

25 posted on 10/06/2010 8:44:33 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
And you got called newb to remind you that I've been on FR a lot longer than you and probably tied in with politics a lot longer.

Wow, you really need to get out more, I was involved with politics for almost 40 years before I joined FR, I hope you had a life before FR too, but maybe not if you think an early sign up date on an Internet forum gives you meaning and gravitas.

You admit that your conscious got the better of you and that you finally withdrew your support of your proabortion party, congratulations on catching up.

26 posted on 10/06/2010 8:46:16 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: republicangel

Not really, or they would call themselves conservatives, libertarianism is a leftist fifth column that is striving to destroy conservatism.

Their greatest, most successful politician ever, ran as his party’s Presidential candidate against Ronald Reagan, Ed Clark called his party of libertarians, “low tax, liberals”


27 posted on 10/06/2010 8:50:05 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12
I was libertarian before there was a Libertarian party to disavow. Have you ever read John Locke?

Who do you believe owns you? You? Or the community or government?

Do you still support the Republican party that has shown material support for abortion, open borders, and higher taxes? Or do you have fundamental beliefs that reject the party line?

/johnny

28 posted on 10/06/2010 8:50:31 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: ansel12
called his party of libertarians,

Still conflating the Party with the philosophy. Can't quite grasp the fine disinction there?

/johnny

29 posted on 10/06/2010 8:52:24 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I didn’t just recently have to leave a proabortion, pro homosexual agenda, pro porn, pro drugs, weak on national defense political party because I finally decided that supporting a prolife party was better.


30 posted on 10/06/2010 8:53:45 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Jack Hydrazine

“A Feminist who hates women????? Now I have heard of everything!”

According to a Professor of Wymon’s Studies at the University of South FloriDUH, there is such a thing as a “male lesbian”.

How’s that for overstimulating your gag reflex.

PS The “male lesbian” hypothesis was part of a ‘peer reviewed’ paper - one can hardly imagine the review committee.

PPS When questioned by a newsie about the contradictions in the hypothesis, the PerfesserThing said “It’s a Post Structuralist thing”.

Bah! HUMBUGGERY ! ! !


31 posted on 10/06/2010 8:54:09 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: ansel12
Neither did I recently leave a party, except the Republicans, and that was over a decade ago.

Have you EVER read John Locke? The founders of this nation did. Do you have anything erudite to expound on his philosophy?

/johnny

32 posted on 10/06/2010 8:56:46 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: ansel12
And don't you have a single clue about the difference between a political party and the philosophy that it was derived from?

/johnny

33 posted on 10/06/2010 8:58:36 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
You have no clue, newb. I've parted ways with the Libertarian party in Texas because of precisely this issue.

I read that wrong then, but I never had to part ways with a proabortion, pro homosexual agenda, pro porn, pro drugs, weak on national defense political party because I finally decided that supporting them was causing conflict with my personal prolife beliefs.

34 posted on 10/06/2010 9:08:18 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12
You still don't get the difference between party and philosophy. I guess you don't read much that was printed before the 1900s.

I left most parties behind because I have major philisophical differences with them. And I did that a long time ago.

Perhaps you might want to get away from the sound bites and TV long enough to think for yourself.

/johnny

35 posted on 10/06/2010 9:14:39 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: worst-case scenario
I used to be tepidly pro-choice (didn't like abortion, but accepted the line about how it's a personal choice). After the birth of my nephew, Eric, I had a radical change of heart.

Yes, it usually takes a moment of awakening to dispell the lies. One glimmering moment of truth, and years of propaganda fall away.

Now, I am vehemently pro-life. It's not a choice; it's a child.

36 posted on 10/06/2010 9:18:26 PM PDT by TheWriterTX (Buy Ammo Often)
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To: ansel12
John Locke wrote his stuff in the mid-late 1600s. Libertarianism is NOT new. The Party is, fairly. It's only been around in one form or another in it's current format since the 70s.

/johnny

37 posted on 10/06/2010 9:18:50 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

At least the proabortion, pro homosexual agenda, pro porn, pro drugs, weak on national defense political party, never sucked me in, like they did some people.


38 posted on 10/06/2010 9:21:57 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: TheWriterTX
It's not a choice; it's a child.

It's a human. With all of the rights and responsibilities of a human in it's condition. Granted, it can't do many chores, but it is still a human, with human rights. The first, being the right to Life. For without that, there is no other right.

/johnny

39 posted on 10/06/2010 9:22:25 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: ansel12
You aren't going to rush out and read John Locke, are you? Or study philosophy at any level?

You are just going to keep on with the 'them' bashing? Out of ignorance?

I would hope that if you are as conservative as you want to seem like you wannabe, you get rid of all of your televisions, and crack open some books, and study some classic languages.

Given your responses, and broken record replies, you seem more comfortable just throwing out barbs as a keyboard warrior.

/johnny

40 posted on 10/06/2010 9:26:57 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I am very glad that you learned enough to leave that proabortion, pro homosexual agenda, pro porn, pro drugs, weak on national defense political party.

In 1974, it took me about 30 minutes to go from love to laughing at them, but I knew what to ask, and I knew who I was.


41 posted on 10/06/2010 9:33:06 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12
I'm glad you left that party, too.

You aren't seeing or acknowledging the difference between the party and the philosophy. And you haven't answered the question about reading John Locke.

You seem stuck in your narrow world-view.

Is there any way you can be convinced to read Montesquieu or Locke, or any of the foundational philosophers of the great experiment we hope is a Free Republic?

It would really be better if people had a clue what a Free Republic really is.

/johnny

42 posted on 10/06/2010 9:51:05 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
I'm glad you left that party, too.

I never left a party, I have never belonged to a party.

How did you confuse my 30 minute conversation in 1974 with the low tax,liberals called libertarians, where I pointed out that I left laughing at them, with joining them?

Is there any way to persuade you to start voting as a conservative, and against the radical leftist social agenda of the whacked out libertarian/leftists?

I know that FR does not support the homosexual agenda, or the abortion agenda, or the open borders agenda, or the weak national defense agenda, of the libertarians.

43 posted on 10/06/2010 10:29:42 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: TheHawksNest

back to this-
“We’ve all heard stories of women changing their minds about abortion after viewing ultrasounds. Is it different for a dedicated pro-abortion activist like the one the author mentions? “

I would simply say that
this is her wanted child,
the planned 1,
one that isn’t interfering / won’t interfere with her current lifestyle,
and all the other scatology they vomit.


44 posted on 10/06/2010 11:14:37 PM PDT by catroina54
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To: ansel12; JRandomFreeper
we also know that with out...libertarianism slips into being conservative

When will the Republicans slip into being conservative?

JRandomFreeper, you don't get to call yourself 'libertarian', because ansel12 says you can't.
Kind of like letting muslims decide who is Christian.

45 posted on 10/07/2010 8:42:31 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: laotzu

Conservatives are more conservative than the Republican party.

The Republican party is far to the right of the proabortion, pro homosexual agenda, pro porn, pro drugs, weak on national defense, libertarian party.


46 posted on 10/07/2010 8:54:13 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: laotzu

Conservatives are more conservative than the Republican party.

The Republican party is far to the right of the proabortion, pro homosexual agenda, pro porn, pro drugs, weak on national defense, libertarian party.


47 posted on 10/07/2010 8:54:16 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: Palladin

If she’s about 30, then all of this activity with her mother must have occurred in the 80s sometime.


48 posted on 10/07/2010 10:05:13 AM PDT by worst-case scenario (Striving to reach the light)
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To: worst-case scenario

Yes, and Planned Parenthood has gotten 20 times more evil since then!

(Michelle Obama has been on the PP Board for that many years. Now these PP witches sit and dine at the White House.)


49 posted on 10/08/2010 1:37:06 PM PDT by Palladin ("Congress--YOU'RE FIRED!!!")
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To: ansel12
The Republican party is far to the right of the proabortion, pro homosexual agenda, pro porn, pro drugs, weak on national defense, libertarian party.

Ironic that you keep running into libertarians that are pro-life, pro-traditional marriage, anti-drugs, and strong on defense.

You keep using that word 'libertarian'. I don't think it means what you think it means.

50 posted on 10/11/2010 6:19:09 AM PDT by laotzu
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