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Texas College Student Shot and Killed in Mexico
FOX NEWS.com (BROWNSVILLE HERALD) ^ | Published October 07, 2010 | n/a

Posted on 10/07/2010 11:27:43 AM PDT by Cindy

SNIPPET: "A Texas college student was shot and killed in Mexico after the bus he was riding on was hijacked by suspected members of a Mexican drug cartel, The Brownsville Herald reports.

Jonathan William Torres, an 18-year-old college freshman at the University of Texas at Brownsville, was killed Sept. 30 in Matamoros -- just outside Ciudad Mante in the southern part of Tamaulipas -- a university spokeswoman told the newspaper.

Torres was reportedly on his way to visit family when his bus was allegedly ambushed by members of Mexican organized crime."

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KEYWORDS: aliens; anotherdeadamerican; ciudadmante; drugcartels; immigration; invasion; killingamericans; mante; matamoros; mexico; mexicoisourenemy; mexicostrikesagain; organizedcrime; tamaulipas; texas; wakeupamerica

1 posted on 10/07/2010 11:27:48 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: Cindy

My parents honeymooned in Acapulco back in the 70s. I saw plenty of pictures, and the place looked really laid back and enjoyable.

Nowadays, why anyone would vacation in Mexico is beyond me.


2 posted on 10/07/2010 11:30:07 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Cindy

Any American that goes to Mexico should expect something like this to happen.


3 posted on 10/07/2010 11:30:47 AM PDT by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: Frantzie

Yeah, the only USAers who go to Mexico should be under the command of a Pershing clone.


4 posted on 10/07/2010 11:31:59 AM PDT by Mouton
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http://www.brownsvilleherald.com/articles/tsc-117748-university-utb.html

“UTB-TSC mourns slaying of freshman in Mexico”

October 06, 2010 9:49 PM
THE BROWNSVILLE HERALD

SNIPPET: “Mexican officials have reported an increase in hijackings on Mexican highways. A source with firsthand knowledge of criminal activity in Mexico said authorities have acknowledged that they can best protect passenger buses between sunrise and 2 p.m. The time of the alleged attack on Torres’ bus was not known.”


5 posted on 10/07/2010 11:32:14 AM PDT by Cindy
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NOTE The following text is a quote:

http://www.travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_4755.html

Travel Warning
U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE
Bureau of Consular Affairs
Print
Mexico

September 10, 2010

The Department of State has issued this Travel Warning to inform U.S. citizens traveling to and living in Mexico about the security situation in Mexico. The status of authorized departure of family members of U.S. government personnel from U.S. Consulates in the northern Mexico border cities of Tijuana, Nogales, Ciudad Juarez, Nuevo Laredo, Monterrey and Matamoros ended on September 10 following the expiration of the maximum 180 day period. Based upon a security review in Monterrey following the shooting on August 20, 2010, in front of the American Foundation School in Monterrey and the high incidence of kidnappings in the Monterrey area, U.S. government personnel from the Consulate General have been advised that the immediate, practical and reliable way to reduce the security risks for all children is to remove them from Monterrey. As of September 10, 2010, the Consulate General in Monterrey is a partially unaccompanied post, meaning no minor dependents of U.S. government employees are permitted to remain in the city. This Travel Warning supersedes the Travel Warning for Mexico dated August 27, 2010 to note the lifting of Authorized Departure status for U.S. Consulates along the U.S.-Mexico border.

Millions of U.S. citizens safely visit Mexico each year. This includes tens of thousands who cross the border every day for study, tourism or business and at least one million U.S. citizens who live in Mexico. The Mexican government makes a considerable effort to protect U.S. citizens and other visitors to major tourist destinations. Resort areas and tourist destinations in Mexico do not see the levels of drug-related violence and crime reported in the border region and in areas along major drug trafficking routes. Nevertheless, crime and violence are serious problems. While most victims of violence are Mexican citizens associated with criminal activity, the security situation poses serious risks for U.S. citizens as well.

It is imperative that U.S. citizens understand the risks involved in travel to Mexico, how best to avoid dangerous situations, and who to contact if one becomes a victim of crime or violence. Common-sense precautions such as visiting only legitimate business and tourist areas during daylight hours, and avoiding areas where criminal activity might occur, can help ensure that travel to Mexico is safe and enjoyable. U.S. citizen victims of crime in Mexico are urged to contact the consular section of the nearest U.S. Consulate or Embassy for advice and assistance. Contact information is provided at the end of this message.

General Conditions

Since 2006, the Mexican government has engaged in an extensive effort to combat drug-trafficking organizations (DTOs). Mexican DTOs, meanwhile, have been engaged in a vicious struggle with each other for control of trafficking routes. In order to prevent and combat violence, the government of Mexico has deployed military troops and federal police throughout the country. U.S. citizens should expect to encounter military and other law enforcement checkpoints when traveling in Mexico and are urged to cooperate fully. DTOs have erected unauthorized checkpoints, and killed motorists who have not stopped at them. In confrontations with the Mexican army and police, DTOs have employed automatic weapons and grenades. In some cases, assailants have worn full or partial police or military uniforms and have used vehicles that resemble police vehicles. According to published reports, 22,700 people have been killed in narcotics-related violence since 2006. The great majority of those killed have been members of DTOs. However, innocent bystanders have been killed in shootouts between DTOs and Mexican law enforcement or between rival DTOs.

Recent violent attacks and persistent security concerns have prompted the U.S. Embassy to urge U.S. citizens to defer unnecessary travel to Michoacán and Tamaulipas, to parts of Chihuahua, Sinaloa, Durango, and Coahuila, (see details below) and to advise U.S. citizens residing or traveling in those areas to exercise extreme caution.

Violence Along the U.S.-Mexico Border

Much of the country’s narcotics-related violence has occurred in the northern border region. For example, since 2006, three times as many people have been murdered in Ciudad Juarez, in the state of Chihuahua, across from El Paso, Texas, than in any other city in Mexico. More than half of all Americans killed in Mexico in FY 2009 whose deaths were reported to the U.S. Embassy were killed in the border cities of Ciudad Juarez and Tijuana.

Since 2006, large firefights have taken place in towns and cities in many parts of Mexico, often in broad daylight on streets and other public venues. Such firefights have occurred mostly in northern Mexico, including Ciudad Juarez, Tijuana, Chihuahua City, Nogales, Nuevo Laredo, Piedras Negras, Reynosa, Matamoros and Monterrey. Firefights have also occurred in Nayarit, Jalisco and Colima. During some of these incidents, U.S. citizens have been trapped and temporarily prevented from leaving the area.

The situation in northern Mexico remains fluid; the location and timing of future armed engagements cannot be predicted. U.S. citizens are urged to exercise extreme caution when traveling throughout the region, particularly in those areas specifically mentioned in this Travel Warning.

The level of violence in Monterrey is increasing and has spread to areas near a school which many U.S. citizen children attend. Local police and private patrols do not have the capacity to deter criminal elements from areas around the schools. Given the increasing level of violence that is occurring all over Monterrey, school children are at significantly increased risk. Based on this, and combined with the high incidence of kidnappings in the Monterrey area, U.S. government personnel from the Consulate General have been advised that the immediate, practical and reliable way to reduce the security risks for all children is to remove them from Monterrey. On September 10, 2010, the Consulate General in Monterrey became a partially unaccompanied post with no minor dependents of U.S. government employees.

In recent months, DTOs have used stolen trucks to block major highways and thus prevent the military from responding to criminal activity, most notably in the area around Monterrey. Also in Monterrey, DTOs have kidnapped guests out of reputable hotels in the downtown area, blocking off adjoining streets to prevent law enforcement response. DTOs have also attacked Mexican government facilities such as military barracks and a customs and immigration post.

The situation in the state of Chihuahua, specifically Ciudad Juarez, is of special concern. Mexican authorities report that more than 2,600 people were killed in Ciudad Juarez in 2009. Three persons associated with the Consulate General were murdered in March, 2010. U.S. citizens should defer unnecessary travel to Ciudad Juarez and to the Guadalupe Bravo area southeast of Ciudad Juarez. U.S. citizens should also defer travel to the northwest quarter of the state of Chihuahua. From the United States, these areas are often reached through the Columbus, NM and Fabens and Fort Hancock, TX ports-of-entry. In both areas, American citizens have been victims of drug related violence. There have been recent incidents of serious narcotics-related violence in the vicinity of the Copper Canyon in Chihuahua.

The Consular agency in Reynosa, Tamaulipas was closed temporarily in February 2010 in response to firefights between police and DTOs and between DTOs. In April 2010, a grenade thrown into the Consulate compound at 11:00 PM caused damage to the U.S. Consulate General in Nuevo Laredo, Tamaulipas. The Consulate General in Nuevo Laredo and the Consular Agency in Piedras Negras, Coahuila, were closed for one day as a result. The Consulate General in Nuevo Laredo prohibits employees from entering the entertainment zone in Nuevo Laredo known as “Boys Town” because of concerns about violent crime in that area.

Between 2006 and 2009, the number of narcotics-related murders in the state of Durango increased ten-fold. The cities of Durango and Gomez Palacio, and the area known as “La Laguna” in the state of Coahuila, which includes the city of Torreon, have experienced sharp increases in violence. In late 2009 and early 2010, four visiting U.S. citizens were murdered in Gomez Palacio, Durango. These are among several murders in the state of Durango that have been cause for particular concern and that remain under investigation.

Travelers on the highways between Monterrey and the United States (notably through Nuevo Laredo and Matamoros) have been targeted for robbery that has resulted in violence and have also been caught in incidents of gunfire between criminals and Mexican law enforcement. Travelers should defer unnecessary travel on Mexican Highway 2 between Reynosa and Nuevo Laredo due to the ongoing violent competition between DTOs in that area. Criminals have followed and harassed U.S. citizens traveling in their vehicles in border areas including Nuevo Laredo, Matamoros, and Tijuana. U.S. citizens traveling by road to and from the U.S. border through Nuevo Leon, Coahuila, Durango, and Sinaloa should be especially vigilant. Criminals appear to especially target SUVs and full-size pick-up trucks for theft and car-jacking along these routes.

Continued concerns regarding road safety along the Mexican border have prompted the U.S. Mission in Mexico to impose certain restrictions on U.S. government employees transiting the area. Effective July 15, 2010, Mission employees and their families may not travel by vehicle across the U.S.-Mexico border to or from any post in the interior of Mexico. This policy also applies to employees and their families transiting Mexico to and from Central American posts. This policy does not apply to employees and their family members assigned to border posts (Tijuana, Nogales, Ciudad Juarez, Nuevo Laredo, and Matamoros), although they may not drive to interior posts as outlined above. Travel is permitted between Hermosillo and Nogales, but not permitted from Hermosillo to any other interior posts.

Crime and Violence Throughout Mexico

Although narcotics-related crime is a particular concern along Mexico’s northern border, violence has occurred throughout the country, including in areas frequented by American tourists. U.S. citizens traveling in Mexico should exercise caution in unfamiliar areas and be aware of their surroundings at all times. Bystanders have been injured or killed in violent attacks in cities across the country, demonstrating the heightened risk of violence in public places. In recent years, dozens of U.S. citizens living in Mexico have been kidnapped and most of their cases remain unsolved.

One of Mexico’s most powerful DTOs is based in the state of Sinaloa. Since 2006, more homicides have occurred in the state’s capital city of Culiacan than in any other city in Mexico, with the exception of Ciudad Juarez. Furthermore, the city of Mazatlan has experienced a recent increase in violent crime, with more murders in the first quarter of 2010 than in all of 2009. U.S. citizens should defer unnecessary travel to Culiacan and exercise extreme caution when visiting the rest of the state.

The state of Michoacán is home to another of Mexico’s most dangerous DTOs, “La Familia”. In June 2010, 14 federal police were killed in an ambush near Zitacuaro in the southeastern corner of the state. In April 2010, the Secretary for Public Security for Michoacán was shot in a DTO ambush. Security incidents have also occurred in and around the State’s world famous butterfly sanctuaries. In 2008, a grenade attack on a public gathering in Morelia, the state capital, killed eight people. U.S. citizens should defer unnecessary travel to the area. If travel in Michoacán is unavoidable, U.S. citizens should exercise extreme caution, especially outside major tourist areas.

U.S. citizens should exercise extreme caution when traveling in the northwestern part of the state of Guerrero, which likewise has a strong DTO presence. U.S. citizens should not take the dangerous, isolated road through Ciudad Altamirano to the beach resorts of Ixtapa and Zihuatanejo. The popular beach resort of Acapulco has been affected by narcotics-related violence. In April 2010, three innocent bystanders were killed in a shootout between Mexican police and DTO members in broad daylight in one of the city’s main tourist areas. In the same month, numerous incidents of narcotics-related violence occurred in the city of Cuernavaca, in the State of Morelos, a popular destination for American language students.

U.S. citizens should also exercise extreme caution when traveling in southern Nayarit in and near the city of Tepic which has recently experienced unpredictable incidents of DTO violence. The number of violent incidents involving DTOs has increased in recent months throughout Jalisco, Nayarit and Colima.

U.S. citizens traveling to towns and villages with large indigenous communities located predominantly but not exclusively in southern Mexico, should be aware that land disputes between residents and between residents and local authorities have led to violence. In April 2010, two members of a non-governmental aid organization, one of whom was a foreign citizen, were murdered near the village of San Juan Capola in Oaxaca.

Safety Recommendations

U.S. citizens who believe they are being targeted for kidnapping or other crimes should notify Mexican law enforcement officials and the U.S. Embassy in Mexico City or the nearest U.S. consulate as soon as possible. Any U.S. visitors who suspect they are a target should consider returning to the United States immediately. U.S. citizens should be aware that many cases of violent crime are never resolved by Mexican law enforcement, and the U.S. government has no authority to investigate crimes committed in Mexico.

U.S. citizens should make every attempt to travel on main roads during daylight hours, particularly the toll (”cuota”) roads, which generally are more secure. When warranted, the U.S. Embassy and consulates advise their employees as well as private U.S. citizens to avoid certain areas, abstain from driving on certain roads because of dangerous conditions or criminal activity, or recommend driving during daylight hours only. When this happens, the Embassy or the affected consulate will alert the local U.S. citizen Warden network and post the information on their respective websites, indicating the nature of the concern and the expected time period for which the restriction will remain in place.

U.S. citizen visitors are encouraged to stay in the well-known tourist areas. Travelers should leave their itinerary with a friend or family member not traveling with them, avoid traveling alone, and check with their cellular provider prior to departure to confirm that their cell phone is capable of roaming on GSM or 3G international networks. Cell phone coverage in isolated parts of Mexico, for example, the Copper Canyon, is spotty or non-existent.

Do not display expensive-looking jewelry, large amounts of money, or other valuable items. Travelers to remote or isolated venues should be aware that they may be distant from appropriate medical, law enforcement, and consular services in an emergency situation.

U.S. citizens applying for passports or requesting other fee-based services from consulates or the Embassy are encouraged to make arrangements to pay for those services using a non-cash method. U.S. citizens should be alert for credit card fraud, especially outside major commercial establishments.

American employees of the U.S. Embassy are prohibited from hailing taxis on the street in Mexico City because of frequent robberies. American citizens are urged to only use taxis associated with the organized taxi stands (“sitios”) that are common throughout Mexico.

U.S. citizens should be alert to pickpockets and general street crime throughout Mexico, but especially in large cities. Between FY 2006 and FY 2009 the number of U.S. passports reported stolen in Mexico rose from 184 to 288.

Demonstrations and Large Public Gatherings

Demonstrations occur frequently throughout Mexico and are usually peaceful. However, even demonstrations intended to be peaceful can turn confrontational and escalate to violence unexpectedly. Violent demonstrations have resulted in deaths, including that of an American citizen in Oaxaca in 2006. During demonstrations or law enforcement operations, U.S. citizens are advised to remain in their homes or hotels, avoid large crowds, and avoid the downtown and surrounding areas.

Demonstrators in Mexico may block traffic on roads, including major arteries, or take control of toll-booths on highways. U.S. citizens should avoid confrontations in such situations.

Since the timing and routes of scheduled marches and demonstrations are always subject to change, U.S. citizens should monitor local media sources for new developments and exercise extreme caution while within the vicinity of protests.

The Mexican Constitution prohibits political activities by foreigners, and such actions may result in detention and/or deportation. U.S. citizens are therefore advised to avoid participating in demonstrations or other activities that might be deemed political by Mexican authorities. As is always the case in any large gathering, U.S. citizens should remain alert to their surroundings.

Further Information

U.S. citizens are urged to monitor local media for information about fast-breaking situations that could affect their security.

U.S. citizens are encouraged to review the U.S. Embassy’s Mexico Security Update. The update contains information about recent security incidents in Mexico that could affect the safety of the traveling public.

For more detailed information on staying safe in Mexico, please see the State Department’s Country Specific Information for Mexico. Information on security and travel to popular tourist destinations is also provided in the publication: “Spring Break in Mexico- Know Before You Go!!”

For the latest security information, U.S. citizens traveling abroad should regularly monitor the State Department’s internet web site, where the current Worldwide Caution, Travel Warnings, and Travel Alerts can be found. Up-to-date information on security can also be obtained by calling 1-888-407-4747 toll free in the United States and Canada, or, for callers from Mexico, a regular toll line at 001-202-501-4444. These numbers are available from 8:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. Eastern Time, Monday through Friday (except U.S. federal holidays). American citizens traveling or residing overseas are encouraged to register with the appropriate U.S. Embassy or Consulate on the State Department’s travel registration website.

For any emergencies involving U.S. citizens in Mexico, please contact the U.S. Embassy or the closest U.S. Consulate. The numbers provided below for the Embassy and Consulates are available around the clock. The U.S. Embassy is located in Mexico City at Paseo de la Reforma 305, Colonia Cuauhtemoc, telephone from the United States: 011-52-55-5080-2000; telephone within Mexico City: 5080-2000; telephone long distance within Mexico 01-55-5080-2000. You may also contact the Embassy by e-mail.

Consulates (with consular districts):

Ciudad Juarez (Chihuahua): Paseo de la Victoria 3650, tel. (011)(52)(656) 227-3000.

Guadalajara (Nayarit, Jalisco, Aguas Calientes, and Colima): Progreso 175, telephone (011)(52)(333) 268-2100.

Hermosillo (Sinaloa and the southern part of the state of Sonora): Avenida Monterrey 141, telephone (011)(52)(662) 289-3500.

Matamoros (the southern part of Tamaulipas with the exception of the city of Tampico): Avenida Primera 2002, telephone (011)(52)(868) 812-4402.

Merida (Campeche, Yucatan, and Quintana Roo): Calle 60 no. 338-K x 29 y 31, Col. Alcala Martin, Merida, Yucatan, Mexico 97050, telephone (011)(52)(999) 942-5700 or 202-250-3711 (U.S. number).

Monterrey (Nuevo Leon, Durango, Zacatecas, San Luis Potosi, and the southern part of Coahuila): Avenida Constitucion 411 Poniente, telephone (011)(52)(818) 047-3100.

Nogales (the northern part of Sonora): Calle San Jose, Nogales, Sonora, telephone (011)(52)(631) 311-8150.

Nuevo Laredo (the northern part of Coahuila and the northwestern part of Tamaulipas): Calle Allende 3330, col. Jardin, telephone (011)(52)(867) 714-0512.

Tijuana (Baja California Norte and Baja California Sur): Tapachula 96, telephone (011)(52)(664) 622-7400.

All other Mexican states, and the Federal District of Mexico City, are part of the Embassy’s consular district.

Consular Agencies:

Acapulco: Hotel Continental Emporio, Costera Miguel Aleman 121 - local 14, telephone (011)(52)(744) 484-0300 or (011)(52)(744) 469-0556.

Cabo San Lucas: Blvd. Marina local c-4, Plaza Nautica, col. Centro, telephone (011)(52)(624) 143-3566.

Cancún: Plaza Caracol two, second level, no. 320-323, Boulevard Kukulcan, km. 8.5, Zona Hotelera, telephone (011)(52)(998) 883-0272 or, 202-640-2511 (a U.S. number).

Ciudad Acuña: Closed until further notice.

Cozumel: Plaza Villa Mar en el Centro, Plaza Principal, (Parque Juárez between Melgar and 5th ave.) 2nd floor, locales #8 and 9, telephone (011)(52)(987) 872-4574 or, 202-459-4661 (a U.S. number).

Ixtapa/Zihuatanejo: Hotel Fontan, Blvd. Ixtapa, telephone (011)(52)(755) 553-2100.

Mazatlán: Playa Gaviotas #202, Zona Dorada, telephone (011)(52)(669) 916-5889.

Oaxaca: Macedonio Alcalá no. 407, interior 20, telephone (011)(52)(951) 514-3054, (011) (52)(951) 516-2853.

Piedras Negras: Abasolo #211, Zona Centro, Piedras Negras, Coah., Tel. (011)(52)(878) 782-5586.

Playa del Carmen: “The Palapa,” Calle 1 Sur, between Avenida 15 and Avenida 20, telephone (011)(52)(984) 873-0303 or 202-370-6708(a U.S. number).

Puerto Vallarta: Paradise Plaza, Paseo de los Cocoteros #1, Local #4, Interior #17, Nuevo Vallarta, Nayarit, telephone (011)(52)(322) 222-0069.

Reynosa: Calle Monterrey #390, Esq. Sinaloa, Colonia Rodríguez, telephone: (011)(52)(899) 923 - 9331.

San Luis Potosí: Edificio “Las Terrazas”, Avenida Venustiano Carranza 2076-41, Col. Polanco, telephone: (011)(52)(444) 811-7802/7803.

San Miguel de Allende: Dr. Hernandez Macias #72, telephone (011)(52)(415) 152-2357 or (011)(52)(415) 152-0068


6 posted on 10/07/2010 11:34:14 AM PDT by Cindy
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ON THE INTERNET:

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/mexico/index


7 posted on 10/07/2010 11:34:47 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: Cindy
Obama will do NOTHING about this.

The Mexican government will do NOTHING about this.

They KNOW Obama is weak and Americans are good for target practice. Keep in mind the one murdered on jet skiis. The Mexican government is doing NOTHING. Obama is doing NOTHING. Our enemies, Mexico and the rest, KNOW they can get away with this under Obama.

8 posted on 10/07/2010 11:38:42 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Cindy

Mexico is a failed state...why’d anyone got there is beyond me.


9 posted on 10/07/2010 11:40:50 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (Fix bayonets!)
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To: Cindy
And so many Mexicans living here want the United States to become just like their corrupt, violent third world sewer. Disgusting.

In spite of possibly inflaming some FReepers leaning libertarian, I'd like to see the "Johnson–Reed Act" of 1924 reenacted. It was authored by two Republican representatives and signed by Calvin Coolidge, one of the two most Conservative presidents in history. In my opinion, we have a right to control who we allow into our nation, including those who wish to become "legal" citizens.

I have some question about the authenticity of Michael (Weiner) Savage's commitment to Conservatism but his slogan sums it up well. We must hold sacred America's:

Border, Language and Culture.


10 posted on 10/07/2010 11:43:45 AM PDT by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas...)
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To: Cindy

Why does any sane person travel to Mexico these days?


11 posted on 10/07/2010 11:46:02 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Cindy

Don’t we have a group in Mexico that protests and demands that Americans get special treatment when they’re there, sort of the functional equivalent of La Raza? /sarc


12 posted on 10/07/2010 11:48:10 AM PDT by Spok (Is it RINO season yet?)
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To: nmh

The people of AZ voted for McCain so they want more of the same.


13 posted on 10/07/2010 11:54:06 AM PDT by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: Cindy

Anyone traveling to Mexico is a moron, I’m sorry but it’s true. Even the company I work for, who has a manufacturing facility there, will not allow anyone to travel there on business. No ifs ands or buts.


14 posted on 10/07/2010 11:55:12 AM PDT by Peter from Rutland
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To: Cindy

We spent 10 days in Cozumel in June and had a lovely time. There is no problem there. We also stayed at a resort away from the main city and spent very little time in the actual city there.


15 posted on 10/07/2010 11:55:38 AM PDT by Clintons Are White Trash (Lynn Stewart, Helen Thomas, Rosie ODonnell, Maureen Dowd, Medea Benjamin - The Axis of Ugly)
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To: rarestia; Cindy

I used to love going to Mexico, because Mexicans are very nice and normal. They’re like small-town Americans except that they speak Spanish and it is a fun place. But I cancelled on an academic conference because of leftist union terrorism after the election of Calderon, and now I simply wouldn’t go there.

Very sad, and if our own US government weren’t such a pack of loony lefties, I’d say the US should be looking into leftist involvement in the drug business. The drug lords are into it for money, but the people who are helping them are the leftists because leftist money has always been a big funding source for Latin American drug gangs and vice versa. The US under Obama, however, steadfastly refuses to admit that the radical left (the drugs come from SA through Venezuela and Cuba) is funding the destruction of Mexico.


16 posted on 10/07/2010 11:57:39 AM PDT by livius
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To: Frantzie
It truly is mindbogglingly how he won again ... .

Unless he keels over, he appears to have a job for life.

17 posted on 10/07/2010 12:03:38 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Cindy

Anyone who is stupid enough to go to Mexico when even Mexicans don’t want to get near it, is kind of asking for it.


18 posted on 10/07/2010 12:10:21 PM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <--- My Fiction/ Science Fiction Board)
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To: Frantzie

I keep asking you to demonstrate your allegations about the people of Arizona, but you keep ignoring my request. That says to me that you don’t know what you’re talking about. I think you’re just a hate-filled bigot, and I think you can’t prove me wrong. Where’s the proof?


19 posted on 10/07/2010 12:13:33 PM PDT by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a United States Marine.)
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To: livius
I used to love going to Mexico, because Mexicans are very nice and normal. They’re like small-town Americans except that they speak Spanish and it is a fun place.

At this risk of painting with too broad of brush, what happens when these nice and normal Mexicans come to America? Do they leave those laudable values at the border?

Yes, I certainly do know a handful of Mexicans here in Texas that have fully embraced the ways and culture of the United States. But, in my estimation, the vast majority of them (illegal or otherwise) have a brazen contempt for our country, instead embracing the worldview of La Raza.

I really hope that I'm in the wrong here and that your characterization is closer to reality.

20 posted on 10/07/2010 12:47:28 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas...)
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To: Cindy

My sympathies to the family, and warning to those, including some of my friends, who insist on going to Mexico. Don’t do it if you cherish your life or the lives of your loved ones you take with you. Mexico is a criminal state.


21 posted on 10/07/2010 12:56:01 PM PDT by pallis
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To: Cindy

When I was growing up if you touched a hair on an American head the entire country would come down on you and the entire world knew it. Americans were safe just about anywhere. My how things have changed.


22 posted on 10/07/2010 1:15:17 PM PDT by McGavin999 ("I was there when we had the numbers, but didn't have the principles"-Jim DeMint)
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To: livius

People adapt to disfunctional governments in ways that accentuate both good and bad in people. The place always fascinated me, I had the sense of a machine in which a lot of the moving parts are right there in plain view, that in the US you maybe aren’t aware of anymore.

If you live in a medium sized city it was quite livable (but already it was to the point that everyone I met from DF had been mugged and I mean everyone). Truckers servicing our client were being regularly hijacked, sometimes for the contents of the trailer, sometimes just for parts off the truck, it was already getting dangerous for truckers. People didn’t like to travel between cities at night for fear of the highway patrol.

Members of the federal government, or relatives, were being gunned down in broad daylight for reasons you could surmise but not know. But at least at that time foreigners weren’t targeted, and I still had the sensation of it being as you say a peaceful, but lively, fun place. I always assumed this is where I would retire someday, I always liked the country and the people.

I’ve been re-thinking that plan, though. There are other places where the people are just as nice, the country’s moving parts just as fascinating, the beaches and town squares and music and food, well maybe not the food, but you know what I mean.


23 posted on 10/07/2010 1:23:18 PM PDT by marron
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To: re_nortex

The Dems have been very successful at giving the La Raza image, but until fairly recently, when a lot of money flowed into it, La Raza was a loser left-over 1970s college Marxist group that did nothing but turn up a Socialist Worker meetings and marches. Obviously, the Dems managed to convince some college age Mexican-Americans or Mexican American politicians that this was the way to riches, but a mass adherence to La Raza is pretty recent. However, the left has the money and it will only get worse (although I did read that Hispanics were backing off from Obama, probably as they realized how much he really hates them deep down inside).

Go and look at most of the Central Valley and other parts of CA, and you’ll see nice middle class and lower middle class Mexican American suburbs with Ford trucks in the driveway. They go to church on Sunday and they like to go to the mall in the afternoon.

However, I think that with the “new America” fostered by Obama, where nobody gets to have anything because it might be “greedy” for anybody but Obama to have anything, I bet you’re going to see a lot of disappointment among the Hispanics who were dumb enough to vote for him. They are, in general, entrepreneurial and want to get ahead and have things, and there will be a clash between his socialist vision and their ideals.

That said, the dependant urban welfare class is a whole different matter, but that’s probably true of any group.


24 posted on 10/07/2010 1:56:28 PM PDT by livius
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To: marron

Yes, I wouldn’t move to Mexico either. Once upon a time, they might have mugged you (if you were another Mexican) but they wouldn’t have killed you. Heck, I got mugged in New York, even though I grew up there and lived much of my life there. Still, it’s not pleasant, and people get way too tolerant of dysfunction.

But I think there’s much more behind this violence than anybody is admitting. I think it has to do with the radical left, and one of the reasons it has accelerated is precisely because the left feels very empowered now because of Obama’s sympathy and because they really and truly hate Calderon for having won the election and daring to attack them.


25 posted on 10/07/2010 2:00:42 PM PDT by livius
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To: Cindy; Lorianne; Wage Slave; HushTX; HoustonCurmudgeon; Bad~Rodeo; laotzu; NeverForgetBataan; ...

Ping!

If you want on, or off this S. Texas/Mexico ping list, please FReepMail me.


26 posted on 10/07/2010 4:30:53 PM PDT by SwinneySwitch (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: Cindy

Well, according to Wendy Murphy, the wife is to blame:

“Mexican ‘Pirates’? — Why We First Suspect the Spouse

By Wendy Murphy

Published October 07, 2010

| FoxNews.com

Twenty-nine year-old Tiffany Hartley says her husband was shot in the head by Mexican pirates earlier this week while the couple was riding jet skis on Falcon Lake at the Texas-Mexico border.

Claiming her husband fell face first in the water and that she tried to pull him out, Tiffany blamed God for why she left him and fled to safety. “I just keep hearing God tell me ‘You have to go, you have to go,’” she told one reporter.

No doubt God speaks to people in times of crisis, but it’s a bit convenient that He advised her to save her own skin. Let’s just say that’s not necessarily the Godly thing to do.

But even if there’s an ethic there that makes religious sense, there are lots of hard facts that make it very difficult to believe anything about Tiffany Hartley’s story...”

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/10/06/wendy-murphy-mexico-texas-tiffany-hartley-pirates-lake-jet-ski-shot-head-god/


27 posted on 10/07/2010 5:05:11 PM PDT by SuzyQue (Remember to think.)
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To: re_nortex

“And so many Mexicans living here want the United States to become just like their corrupt, violent third world sewer. Disgusting.”

And I keep asking myself WHY?? Why would anyone want to leave that kind of society/government to your children? And yet, as you say, they DEMAND it be all brought here.

The only answer I can glean from it, is because they LIKE it that way. The citizens responsibility of a constitutional republic is just not they way they think.
It’s not their experience....mordida, lie, cheat, steal is.

Poll: Mexicans say Mexican-Americans Owe Loyalty to Mexico Over U.S.
Thu Oct 15 11:51:17 2009 ·

(CNSNews.com) - Nearly 70 percent of Mexicans surveyed said that Mexican-Americans – including those born in the United States – owe their primary loyalty to Mexico, not the U.S.


28 posted on 10/07/2010 7:02:16 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: SuzyQue; All

People better wake up to the danger of Mexico!

Sheriff: Evidence supports wife’s account in pirate attack
By Kevin Vaughan
The Denver Post

[snip]ZAPATA, TEXAS — Blood, witness accounts and other unspecified evidence all corroborate the version of events laid out by a Colorado woman whose husband is missing and presumed dead after an attack on a lake straddling the Mexican border, the sheriff leading the investigation said this afternoon.

Zapata County Sheriff Sigifredo Gonzalez Jr. detailed some of the reasons he does not doubt that David Hartley, a 30-year-old Loveland native, was murdered a week ago by a drug gang on Falcon Lake, a 44-mile long waterway bisected by the U.S.-Mexico border.

http://www.denverpost.com/headlines/ci_16279531
Posted:10/07/2010

Eyewitness in Alleged Mexican Pirate Attack Case Comes Forward [ Mexico blocks US from search ]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2603445/posts

A Fishing Paradise Gains a Deadly Reputation
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/08/us/08pirate.html?_r=2

[snips]

The shooting was the latest in a string of attacks by pirates on the lake that began on April 30. The gangs carry AK-47s and sometimes claim to be Mexican federal police or American game wardens. They have sometimes hijacked high-prowed boats favored by Mexican fishermen and used them to chase down Americans in bass boats, stealing their money at gunpoint.

But Sheriff Sigifredo Gonzalez of Zapata County, on the Texas side of the lake, has said that Mrs. Hartley’s story is credible and that the assault is in keeping with other recent robberies, some of which happened in the same part of the lake.

On April 30, for example, two boats carrying five tourists who wanted photographs of the Guerrero church were robbed at gunpoint by four heavily tattooed men in a fishing boat who identified themselves as “federales.” They demanded cash and even asked, “Where are the drugs?”

A week later, on May 6, three fishermen were robbed at gunpoint near Salado Island. On May 16, another group of boaters was robbed, again by armed men in a fishing boat on the United States side of the reservoir.

More recently, a gang of pirates in a small boat, with “Game Wardin” spelled out in duct tape, tried to stop a Texas fisherman, the police said. The Texan figured the misspelled word meant they were not really game wardens and outran them, the police said.

The governor has also staunchly defended Mrs. Hartley against anyone who doubts her account, saying he finds such theories “really reprehensible.”


29 posted on 10/08/2010 9:09:06 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: Cindy; pissant; All

Mexico Spinning Out of Control?

-Ambassador John Bolton

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJtdP6s1G70


30 posted on 10/08/2010 9:14:59 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB

Thanks for the link Aunt B.


31 posted on 10/08/2010 11:13:44 AM PDT by Cindy
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