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We Don't Need No (Leftist) Education
American Thinker ^ | October 13, 2010 | By Robin of Berkeley

Posted on 10/13/2010 2:31:22 AM PDT by Ronbo1948

David Horowitz is one of those rare people who change lives. I know, because he changed mine.

When I started snapping out of my Leftist trance three years ago, I had nowhere to turn. I didn't have the foggiest idea why thugs were surrounding Obama. Weren't the progressives the good guys?

I turned to my local Borders bookstore for some answers. There I found the writings of David Horowitz, to which I could immediately relate. Like me, Horowitz was a Jew from New York who was hoodwinked by radicalism.

But that's where the similarities stopped. My parents were JFK-type liberals who loved this country. Horowitz was a red diaper baby.

Horowitz is also many years my senior. While he was a fiery radical during the '60s, I was (blessedly) too young to participate in those violent and misogynistic times. I came of age during the comparatively mellow feminist revolution.

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Politics
KEYWORDS: davidhorowitz; dictatorship; education; indoctrination; oppression; progressives; tyranny
We don't need no thought control

No dark sarcasm in the classroom

Teachers leave those kids alone. . .

All in all, you're just a

Nother brick in the wall

- Pink Floyd, "We Don't Need No Education"

1 posted on 10/13/2010 2:31:28 AM PDT by Ronbo1948
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To: Ronbo1948
While he was a fiery radical during the '60s, I was (blessedly) too young to participate in those violent and misogynistic times.
Your comment reminded me of an article (a rather long but informative one) I read the other day...

Pajamas Media - The Electric Tea Party Acid Test
FR - The Electric Tea Party Acid Test

2 posted on 10/13/2010 2:48:37 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Ronbo1948
Personally, I think most leftists are academic cowards. I've taught at the university level for almost 25 years and few of my colleagues want to debate issues. They prefer to dictate.

For example, recently I got into a debate with a Harvard MBA (careful! They think that makes them sacrosanct) about the health care bill at a dinner party. (Yeah, bad place, but he started it!) He complained that his son didn't have health insurance. When I asked why, he said his son worked for a company that didn't provide it. After a few minutes of give-and-take, I discovered that he could get health insurance, but it was "expensive". (He didn't know what "expensive" meant.) I asked him if his son had a car, and he said yes. I then pointed out that what he was really telling me was that his son chose to buy a car and other things rather than health insurance.

The guy went on about how Obama fixed the problem. I asked him: "Why is it that, while your son doesn't think enough of himself to buy health insurance, you want me to buy it for him?"

He got up and left the table. Coward.

3 posted on 10/13/2010 2:59:30 AM PDT by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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To: Ronbo1948
Radical Son and Left Illusions should be required reading for every high school senior to innoculate them before they get exposed to the infections of the left in college.
4 posted on 10/13/2010 3:01:46 AM PDT by Timocrat
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To: econjack

Why is it that, while your son doesn’t think enough of himself to buy health insurance, you want me to buy it for him?”

He got up and left the table.
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Heh. Harvard MBA and he stages a dinner table walkout rather than a rational discussion. Keep it up. The walkout is an attempt at a signal to others that your views are so beyond the pale that you are to be ignored. My view is that if you bring up a controversial subject . . . prepare to discuss . . . and pouting is bogus.


5 posted on 10/13/2010 3:12:45 AM PDT by November 2010
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To: philman_36

So true!

The original hippie movement was all about individualism and freedom - a true American Revolution.

Unfortunately it got hijacked sometime in the middle 1960s by the communist yippie scum like Abbie Hoffman and perverted into a reactionary socialist rebellion like the Russian Revolution.

Speaking of revolutions: How’s this as a theme song for our Second American Revolution?

http://ronbosoldier.blogspot.com/2010/10/theme-song-of-second-american.html


6 posted on 10/13/2010 3:26:08 AM PDT by Ronbo1948
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To: econjack

After I retired from the U.S. Army Intelligence & Security Command in 1984, I did my final year at Rollins College in Winter Park, Florida - The self styled “Harvard of the South,” which I found to be as far Left as the Harvard in Massachusetts.

I did have one moment of glory there - Abbie Hoffman came on campus to give a speech. I led the college ROTC in doing to Hoffman what he did so many times to conservative speakers at colleges and we totally disrupted his speech by waving large American flags to shouts of “USA! USA! USA!”

Hoffman gave up after about half an hour and departed Winter Park, forever. It was not long after that he committed suicide by drug overdose.

Of course, the Rollins Administration went absolutely ape since the event got covered by The Orlando Sentinel, a Leftist rag, that painted us mostly ROTC demonstrators as “Right wing nut jobs” etc. The usual Leftist nonsense. As the de facto leader I was told to see one of the Deans, which I did...and I chewed his Leftist butt out in my best Army NCOese and double dog dared him to take any action against me or the Rollins cadet corps for our defense of the Republic.

The bottom line: the Rollins Administration backed down.


7 posted on 10/13/2010 3:44:51 AM PDT by Ronbo1948
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To: econjack

good one, I might borrow that ;-)


8 posted on 10/13/2010 4:10:13 AM PDT by vanilla swirl (We are the Patrick Henry we have been waiting for!)
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To: Ronbo1948

Thankfully the leftist agenda hit the schools at the same time as the kids stopped learning; otherwise we’d have a 99:1 Dem to Republican ratio.


9 posted on 10/13/2010 4:13:38 AM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: Ronbo1948
The bottom line: the Rollins Administration backed down.

Glad to hear it. Another fun experience...I was walking across campus (I taught at a Big 10 school) and there were about four students with a big sign stating: Down With Capitalism. There were about 30 students listening to these four intellectually vomit the usual socialist BS. Anyway, I asked them: What are you going to replace Capitalism with? Their answer: Socialism! I asked: Which type...Marxist, Lenin, Trotsky, Mao? They looked at each other for a few seconds and said: The kind where everyone has as much as everyone else. I said: Oh, pure Communism. Please name one society that tried pure Communism that lasted more than a decade. No answer.

The good news: The rest of the crowd clearly understood that these four guys didn't have a clue what they were talking about and the crowd dispersed despite the continued chanting from the Stupid Four.

It was a fun day.

10 posted on 10/13/2010 4:19:29 AM PDT by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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To: Ronbo1948

..... Speaking as one who was there, you are absolutely correct. On my little patch of ground in Boston, the intrusion of the Leftist into the hippy movement really became obvious in 68. It started with “free concerts” by left-wing performers which inevitably featured a harangue about Vietnam or the “power elite” (hysterically hypocritical from today’s point of view) or the evil Nixon or whatever “political injustice” du jour they chose to rant about. I really believe that an important book remains to be written about the organization, planning and funding of the Leftist program to coopt, destabilize and radicalize American youth and universities. There is no possible way this was a spontaneous phenomenon.


11 posted on 10/13/2010 4:19:53 AM PDT by Senator John Blutarski (The progress of government: republic, democracy, technocracy, bureaucracy, plutocracy, kleptocracy,)
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To: Timocrat
Radical Son and Left Illusions should be required reading for every high school senior to innoculate them before they get exposed to the infections of the left in college.

I so agree. I am slightly younger than Horowitz, and remember his writing when he was the editor for Ramparts magazine. I was on a campus infested with leftists at the time. I too, was a lefty for a while, that is, until I got a job in the private sector. (Unlike Bill Clinton).

12 posted on 10/13/2010 4:21:15 AM PDT by wayoverontheright
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To: vanilla swirl

Help yourself with my compliments!


13 posted on 10/13/2010 4:22:33 AM PDT by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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To: Ronbo1948
I haven't really given it much consideration. I never did like that song much anyway.
To me it sounded like he was telling some gay guy "no".
We're not gonna "take it"...
14 posted on 10/13/2010 4:25:15 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: econjack; vanilla swirl
An example I used with my kids was waiter/waitress tips.
We'd had good and bad waitpersons over time and I usually asked them if they had earned their tips. For the good ones they naturally said yes. I once asked them if they thought it was fair for the tips to be split equally for the whole shift and they almost instinctually knew that it wasn't right because the bad waitperson hadn't put in the work for a good tip and still got the same reward.
Simple but effective.
15 posted on 10/13/2010 4:31:52 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: econjack

When he got up from the table... you should have tripped him, looked down upon him and very loudly called him a commie.

LLS


16 posted on 10/13/2010 4:40:44 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: philman_36

Good one! The key to get across is the impact that Socialism (and its variants) have on economic incentives. I like the story about Thoreau and some of the socialists societies he was involved with. All day, Thoreau sits under a tree writing poetry while a counterpart is out plowing the field, sweating his brains out while staring at the East end of a West-bound horse. At the end of the day, they retire to the lodge for dinner...to share equally in the efforts of the day. How long does it take the field hand to get PO’ed at Thoreau? Indeed, it is precisely because of the disincentives that such societies (New Harmony, Owenism, etc.) create that causes them to ultimately break down and fail.


17 posted on 10/13/2010 4:43:45 AM PDT by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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To: econjack

It’s actually pretty easy to defeat a lib in a debate -

just get them to define the terms they’re using (as you did with “expensive”) and get them out of the realm of generalities into the actual results and consequences of their policy (you’ll make ME pay for what he chooses not to pay for),

and they really don’t have anything to stand on.


18 posted on 10/13/2010 4:44:25 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: LibLieSlayer
When he got up from the table... you should have tripped him, looked down upon him and very loudly called him a commie.

Aw, man, I would have loved beating his sorry a$$ to a pulp, but it was my fiancee's ex-husband and they're still friends...long story...

19 posted on 10/13/2010 4:47:00 AM PDT by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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To: philman_36
There's a similar story where a father has a daughter who gets straight A's. But she also has been brainwashed into thinking that everyone should make the same wages - share the wealth and all and they all should make the same equal "lots of money" and then things would be fair.

The father then asked her if she would be willing to have grades earned that same way. Did she think that the students who didn't study and flunked tests should get an A also. Or would she be willing to give up some of her grade point average and get a C or a B so that the D and E students got C's and B's also.

She wasn't so willing to do that because she studied hard and gave up social events to get good grades and he said, well that's exactly what you are expecting good workers to do with their hard earned money.

Then she saw the light.

20 posted on 10/13/2010 4:50:50 AM PDT by 3catsanadog (If healthcare reform is passed, 41 years old will be the new 65 YO.)
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To: MrB
Exactly! I have found very few liberals who can clearly define anything. I used to have running debates with a lady who was a Sociology prof. In the give-and-take of a good debate, it was pretty easy to paint her into a corner using her own definitions. At that point, she would almost always say: “Well, that may be so, but I don't believe it!” and she'd storm away. How can you debate someone like that?

I ate lunch alone most of the time...

21 posted on 10/13/2010 4:51:57 AM PDT by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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To: 3catsanadog
There's a similar story where a father has a daughter who gets straight A's.
Along the lines of the story of the professor and his students.
snopes.com
Read the last paragraph about it being at least fifteen yrs older than it's 2009 outbreak. Around 1994.
22 posted on 10/13/2010 5:04:49 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: econjack

“Well, that may be so, but I don’t [want to] believe it!”


This is something I’ve just gotten acquainted with in my apologetics studies. The way to defeat an arbitrary argument is to hold your “opponent” to be absolutely consistent with his assertions, and show where such a position becomes absurd.

The thing to remember about leftists is that they believe themselves to be “a good person”, even though the truth is that everyone is a fallen sinner, and their consciences constantly tell them so.
In order to keep up the facade of “a good person”, one must constantly justify that assertion against your own conscience. To do so, a leftist will take any issue and form an opinion on it based on how it justifies their “good person”hood for holding this opinion. Their downfall is that they stop examining the issue at that exact point, and don’t consider the consequences or ramifications of such a policy.
And, to explode their strongly held, but arbitrarily asserted, opinion, all you have to do is walk them a little further down the road.

Of course, the point of holding opinion Y on issue X is not that it is the “right” viewpoint on issue X, or even that it is workable, but that it makes the leftist holding opinion Y feel good about himself. This is why you’ll get the “that may be so, but I don’t [want to] believe it!” response.

Something funny to do, before you blow up their position on the issue, is to ask “how does it make you feel about yourself to have that opinion?”


23 posted on 10/13/2010 5:17:44 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Ronbo1948

You are my hero.I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall when that ass chewing was going on.


24 posted on 10/13/2010 5:23:16 AM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: econjack

LOL!

The main Leftist propaganda line is to the effect they have higher I.Q.s and are better educated.

My experience is quite the opposite: Leftists aren’t very intelligent, and while many have degrees from elite institutions of higher learning, they lack basic knowledge in many disciplines such as history and politics.


25 posted on 10/13/2010 5:25:39 AM PDT by Ronbo1948
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE

I wish in those days we had the Internet and videophones - I could have posted the video on youtube!


26 posted on 10/13/2010 5:29:13 AM PDT by Ronbo1948
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To: Ronbo1948
ping
27 posted on 10/13/2010 5:30:06 AM PDT by wintertime (Re: Obama, Rush Limbaugh said, "He was born here." ( So? Where's the proof?))
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To: philman_36

Fellow WOLVERINE!

http://ronbosoldier.blogspot.com/2010/09/wolverines.html

Do you have a suggestion?

A global revolution, like a hit movie, needs a theme song.


28 posted on 10/13/2010 5:33:38 AM PDT by Ronbo1948
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To: Ronbo1948

No doubt.


29 posted on 10/13/2010 5:38:29 AM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: kearnyirish2

I read an article on this subject (I wish I had the link, an excellent article) of how much Leftist education changed the political orientation of young people and the author’s conclusion was, “not very much.”

In general young people tend to reflect the politics of their families, so kids coming from a conservative family remained conservative, even if they graduated from a Leftist college like Harvard.

And vice versa - Red diaper babies stayed socialists.

The difference, however, is that Leftists have few babies because they practice abortion; whereas, conservatives have more children because they believe in marriage and family life.

The conclusion of this author was that conservative values would triumph despite the Leftist domination of education.


30 posted on 10/13/2010 5:44:57 AM PDT by Ronbo1948
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To: Timocrat

My take is that the outrageous Leftist propaganda effort going on in education is self defeating. For instance, it was the college kids in the 1980s who first coined the words, “Politically Correct” to describe what was going down on campus.

After all, kids tend to rebel against authority figures, so if the college authorities are saying “socialism is good” - the kids go in the opposite direction.


31 posted on 10/13/2010 5:50:47 AM PDT by Ronbo1948
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To: Timocrat

Excellent article:

http://www.jstor.org/pss/2108636

Politics of the family more important than those from Leftist education.


32 posted on 10/13/2010 5:59:18 AM PDT by Ronbo1948
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To: Ronbo1948
Do you have a suggestion?
Let me think on it a bit.
33 posted on 10/13/2010 6:07:49 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Ronbo1948
Motorhead comes to mind.
Lyrics - Dogs Of War...audio - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1j_sRI3yl0

Lyrics - War For War...audio - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhH-qVwff_0

Though those may be a little too...ummm...intense for some.
Still thinking...

34 posted on 10/13/2010 6:27:23 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Senator John Blutarski
I really believe that an important book remains to be written about the organization, planning and funding of the Leftist program to coopt, destabilize and radicalize American youth and universities. There is no possible way this was a spontaneous phenomenon.

None Dare Call it Treason - 25 Years Later by John Stormer documents it very well.

35 posted on 10/13/2010 6:32:06 AM PDT by bankwalker (In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.)
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To: Ronbo1948
The main Leftist propaganda line is to the effect they have higher I.Q.s and are better educated.

The lefties tend to confuse intelligence and education. They are 2 very different items.

36 posted on 10/13/2010 6:34:35 AM PDT by bankwalker (In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.)
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To: econjack

Bide your time... you will get a chance.

LLS


37 posted on 10/13/2010 6:40:02 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: econjack

that was exactly why that Brooke Farm community (utopian socialist community founded by Emerson’s circle) lasted only a few years.... literary types were interested not in actual work to make the place a success but in sitting under a tree


38 posted on 10/13/2010 6:40:31 AM PDT by Enchante ("Baghdad Bob" (aka Robert Gibbs) is the ideal spokestwit for the Demagogue Party)
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To: Ronbo1948
Metallica
Lyrics - Don't Tread On Me...audio - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iERLtsBIqDg

Probably still too intense.

39 posted on 10/13/2010 6:54:58 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Ronbo1948

These last two years have given me hope; the most liberal activist will make a hard right when they can’t get a job. The younger they are when this happens, the better; I graduated in the early 90s in a crappy job market, and I still make Pat Buchanan look like a cross-dressing Bolshevik. “White” liberalism especially should be dead, since when applying for a job at companies’ websites you go through a lengthy process, only to be asked at the very end what race & gender you are.

The frightening aspect of this is that those same young people are very much like disillusioned, unemployed Europeans of the 1930s.


40 posted on 10/13/2010 2:07:39 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: bankwalker

Thank you, sir. I shall look into that.


41 posted on 10/13/2010 4:45:33 PM PDT by Senator John Blutarski (The progress of government: republic, democracy, technocracy, bureaucracy, plutocracy, kleptocracy,)
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To: Ronbo1948

Don’t give up yet. I’m still thinking about it.


42 posted on 10/16/2010 3:40:20 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Ronbo1948
I've spent the last few days going over a bunch of old and new songs and I can't pick one. To me a fitting song for the here and now hasn't been written yet.
I would, however, still give my opinion on one that you thought was appropriate.
43 posted on 10/25/2010 5:05:39 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

I’ve selected this song as the provisional theme song for The Second American Revolution:

http://ronbosoldier.blogspot.com/2010/10/theme-song-of-second-american.html


44 posted on 10/25/2010 5:38:19 AM PDT by Ronbo1948
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To: philman_36

I said that before....didn’t I?

http://ronbosoldier.blogspot.com/2010/10/theme-song-of-second-american.html

Maybe it would work better with a few changes to the lyrics and sung by another band?

If I recall Bob Dylan wrote and sang, “The times they are a-changing” but Peter, Paul and Mary made it a hit and it became the theme song of the 1960s New Left.


45 posted on 10/25/2010 5:45:16 AM PDT by Ronbo1948
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To: Ronbo1948
I said that before....didn’t I?
Yep.

Maybe it would work better with a few changes to the lyrics and sung by another band?
I would go with a new song altogether reflecting the here and now, not the where and then.

46 posted on 10/25/2010 6:10:33 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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